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    Hello Darrel.

    My friend, why, why why.. would you want to impress the layman? Drawing.. the creation of art, the privilege of self expression, is for you, and no one else.
    So then what was all that talk about conveying messages and emotion? Conveying them to whom?

    I understand that you're probably making a distinction between 'expressing' (to others) and 'impressing', but it's not exactly coming across like that. Besides, I don't think there's too much wrong in wanting an occassional thumbs-up for a piece that you're pleased with or proud of.
    Especially if you're trying to flog it.
    ...which is only my opinion.
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    "inspiring them to be creative"

    Exactly. Copying photos is anything but creative.

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    Yes, the only one "creating" is Darrel Tank. Unfortunately what he's creating are "meat cameras".
    Look among the avatars at the top of the page for MindCandyMan, Dorian, and EranWebber for examples of rendering in the service of an artistic sensibility, instead of just for its own razzle-dazzle.
    "Three's so little room for error."--Elwell

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    I still think there are some cool photorealistic artists out there but Darrel Tank isnt one them.

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    Wow!

    What an amazing hate thread. Can you slam any other artists?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vapsman88 View Post
    Wow!

    What an amazing hate thread. Can you slam any other artists?
    I'll slam Damien Hirst!

    He's not really an artist-- he's more like an art-director-of-chopped-up-animals. . .

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    I think someone hasn't read the whole thread.

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    I actually have I just decided to add a few examples of people on deviantart whose photorealistic stuff is even better than in the examples given here IMO.

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    It is not really better, it is all very meticulous but brainless copies of the photos. Natashakinaru even copies lens distortion with the same mindless automatism as she does everything else.

    There is no art in these, just technical skill. Compare them to Bama's painting above: it interprets and exaggerates to create character, instead of copying. There is no character, or artistic style, in those copies, beyond what the photographer had done - just boring repetitiveness. The real artist, when there is any presence of an artist's eye in the work, is the photographer. Whoever copied the picture in pencil is just a copyist.

    I really wish now for someone to analyze what this technique of pencil copying does to values and texture, and create a Photoshop filter that would make any photo look the same. Perhaps then this kind of wasteful stupidity will not happen so often.

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    So there is this other girl and she posted some of her WIPs:

    http://tanyamusatenko.deviantart.com...F28663408&qo=8
    http://tanyamusatenko.deviantart.com...28663408&qo=41

    So does this show that she, in essence, works as a scanner+printer? I mean, JD Hillberry's method, for example, is quite different: it relies on understanding of forms and light\shadow etc (as far as I am concerned), he puts layer above the layer, and so it looks like he is actually drawing; whereas her work resembles mere scanning pixel after pixel for value and then reproducing it on the paper.

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    That is still a photocopy of a photo - nothing added or taken away. Fine for a study when learning to draw what you see, but nothing else.

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    I don't get it, whats the point in learning to draw if your going to copy a photo down to every last freckle, eyelash and pimple, Boooorrring!!! take away the photo, and then what are they going to do. Michelangelo's quick sketches and doodles have more feel, flow, vitality, life in them then all off these mindless photo rendering copyist could ever try to achieve.

    Oh well if there's a market for it, someones got to do it. I'll stick to trying to use my imagination.

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    Really, before photography was invented hyper-realism was considered in a much better light. I think the problem most people have with it now is the "uncanny valley" issue. We find things that are so close to perfection unsettling because the imperfections are all we see and it is harder too know what is wrong with these kind of images... generating a sense of dislike. For most art there are cues that help us suspend our disbelief. Without these cues we find it harder to accept the implied reality.


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    You may be right. But, I think part of it, too, is the distinction between hyper-real and photo-real. Photos have their own inherent distortions, and translating those into a painting just gives you a hyper-realistic picture of a photograph, not of the photograph's subject. As opposed to something like the Bama picture above, or any Van Eyck painting, or the various insane tromp l'oeil genre paintings, which are hyper-realistic and hyper-detailed, but don't look like photos.

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