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    References: 'Til when its tolerable? (very mild nudity)

    Sharing some pictures of Moebius (Jean Giraud) drawings with the respective references by their side. Always loved Gir works, but this kinda upsets me.

    What do you think, whats the limits to reference picture?

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    References: 'Til when its tolerable? (very mild nudity)
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    I've seen a few better know artists produce pictures quite closely based on other commercial images. Royo, for example... http://d4.img.v4.skyrock.net/d4d/nim...s/35872722.jpg
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    I have no problem with any of those.

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    Royo is better known than Moebius? Tragic...IMHO.
    "Contrary to the belief of the layman, the essential of art is not to imitate nature, but under the guise of imitation to stir up excitement with pure plastic elements: measurements, directions, ornaments, lights, values, colors, substances, divided and organized according to the injunctions of natural laws. While so occupied, the artist never ceases to be subservient to nature, but instead of imitating the incidents in a paltry way, he imitates the laws."-Andre Lhote

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    Quote Originally Posted by dashinvaine View Post
    I've seen a few better know artists produce pictures quite closely based on other commercial images. Royo, for example... http://d4.img.v4.skyrock.net/d4d/nim...s/35872722.jpg

    Doesn't that takes away the imaginative skills of an artist? Its much easier to se a reference that close to imagine a pose and skillfully create one. It makes me feel bad that so reowned artists uses this kind of shortcut...
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    If reference was all it took to make amazing paintings, we'd all be out of a job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noah Bradley View Post
    If reference was all it took to make amazing paintings, we'd all be out of a job.

    I never suggested he's not a good artist. Its just probably not the most creative one. Of course, life models, photo references, they should be ok to study from, to learn, but to publish as your own artwork, idk.. I would respect uch more an artist that could do awesome stuff and crosshatch like Moebius without using references so similar to the picture...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLonesomeBlues View Post
    Doesn't that takes away the imaginative skills of an artist? Its much easier to se a reference that close to imagine a pose and skillfully create one. It makes me feel bad that so reowned artists uses this kind of shortcut...
    You're questioning Moebius' "imaginative skills?" SRSLY??!!!
    BTW, stickies are a good thing: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=123346

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpacer View Post
    Royo is better known than Moebius? Tragic...IMHO.
    Among those who don't know any better, evidently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    You're questioning Moebius' "imaginative skills?" SRSLY??!!!
    BTW, stickies are a good thing: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=123346

    By the title i didn't thought it would analyse this aspect of using references...

    now, i'm not questioning any kind of Gir's work. I absolutely love his work. One of my favourite's of all time. But knowing his potential to creative work, i didn't thought that using refenreces like that was necessary...
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    References is necessary.

    If Rembrandt, Vermeer and Velasquez felt the need to use reference than I sure as shit do...(yes, a life model is reference, it's just a 3d expensive one..)
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    Agreed with you, Flake. But wouldn't the Ultimate Artist, the genius, one of a kind, able to do that amazingly work such as all the mentioned here, without any of these? Or better, just absorving that information when LEARNING ?
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    I'm speaking in a purely theoretical, maybe utopian way, btw.
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