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    Don't know how to get started :/

    Hey guys, so idk what's wrong with me, but I just can't seem to get started on a piece.
    I always have cool imaginations, but never when im sitting in front of my computer
    And when I finally get down and get ready to hit up my tablet, things just dont work. I can never seem to get my pieces "started"

    And i feel like in environment pieces, I just can't get the concept of laying down the backgrounds, middle grounds, and foregrounds, and separating them, and making them look cool

    I was curious to how you guys usually got started with a piece? It seems that unless I have an 'exact' reference in front of me, I just cant approach it :/

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    I actually just overcame the same hurdle as you, so I feel what your saying. For me, the best way to get over that is to use line work to break up the image. I usually just block in color straight off the bat, but when I get stuck I go the paint by numbers route. Everything usually works past that.

    It also helps for me to look at work that is completely opposite from mine in terms of style. I love Sparths and Talexi, but when I get stuck I tend to look at alot of disney and dreamworks stuff.

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    The key is something to do with perspective and blocking in the image, at least that's what I think. I have the same problem as you.

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    haha, its a horrible probblem >_<
    thanks guys, ill try that

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    Quote Originally Posted by TutMatt3 View Post
    And i feel like in environment pieces, I just can't get the concept of laying down the backgrounds, middle grounds, and foregrounds, and separating them, and making them look cool:/
    Don't do that, it will end up looking like Moon Patrol. Instead, quickly block in rough shapes and see what emerges. When you spot something in there that looks landscapey, develop it. The mind is not good at coming up with natural shapes from the imagination, it often needs a bit of help (it's all to do with evolution, don't get me started), so that's why it's handy to work rough and big and then focus in on the shapes that transpire from your scribbles.

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    Having ideas before you start can be helpful I suppose, but it can also lead to disappointment because imagined things sometimes just can't be put down on paper, at all. It can be a bit like drawing a map of the world. The actual spherical map is dimensionally different from a 2D map, so we have to violate it to get it down on paper.

    When I have ideas for a design, it's never for a finished flat picture... it's always some kind of mass, a feel analogous to something, a posture seen from no specific angle, etc.

    ANYWAYS. Don't be afraid of having ideas on the fly. You'll be more informed that way, and you'll have better ideas (standing on your own shoulders), and you might be less disappointed. As you draw, you'll be able to see what works and not in practicality, and you might make a wonderful mistake which gives you a fun idea.

    As for environments, I don't do them a lot, but I would guess that a good approach could be to initially... treat them as an abstract painting, compositionally. It's really difficult to puzzle pieces together that were done separately, because you'll easily get nasty tangents, poor framing, bad eye leading, and stuff like that.

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    Whenever you have these cool imaginations quickly scribble them down on paper. Then take those scribbles with you when you're behind your computer.

    I hardly ever do this, but maybe it can help you.

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    I suffer from this too. This is a helpful thread.

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    http://al.chemy.org/

    Free download for generating ideas and helps with mental block/artist block!

    Andrew Jones is also shown using it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadlyhazard View Post
    The key is something to do with perspective and blocking in the image, at least that's what I think. I have the same problem as you.
    You are NOT BOB ROSS?!

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    How to get started: draw with the pointy end.
    Advice on environments: generally, the sky goes on the top.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    How to get started: draw with the pointy end.
    Advice on environments: generally, the sky goes on the top.
    I feel as if a new world has opened up before me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OmenSpirits View Post
    You are NOT BOB ROSS?!

    Liar!

    WOAH MAN I said I was Bob Ross incarnate. He didn't start painting until he was around 20 (I watched my own videos earlier because I'm Bob Ross and I said that). Just give me another 20 years and I'll be on PBS, I promise.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo9hs...eature=related

    See obviously I'm just the digital Bob Ross!


    That's totally my voice!

    edit: HOLY SHIT. I live in Orlando Florida and was born here (been here 20 years)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Ross#Personal_life

    I AM BOB ROSS OF THE FUTURE

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    Get this book: "Drawing Scenery" by Jack Hamm. Inexpensive and a great place to get started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffX99 View Post
    Get this book: "Drawing Scenery" by Jack Hamm. Inexpensive and a great place to get started.
    Own it, love it!

    "Everything must serve the idea. The means used to convey the idea should be the simplest and clear. Just what is required. No extra images. To me this is a universal principle of art. Saying as much as possible with a minimum of means."
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    Lots of good general composition info in there as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    Lots of good general composition info in there as well.

    Thank gawd! Appreciate the backup guys - it really is an excellent book for getting started. Sit down with a small stack of paper and read one concept/page an evening and do your own sketches based on the principles. Up until about page 72 or so...not worth much after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffX99 View Post
    Thank gawd! Appreciate the backup guys - it really is an excellent book for getting started. Sit down with a small stack of paper and read one concept/page an evening and do your own sketches based on the principles. Up until about page 72 or so...not worth much after that.
    I'm a researcher/collector ( if that hasn't been made apparent by my threads on books I've purchased) and searched down all Hamm's books and they've been great help. In the boo you mention hr simplifies objects into shapes and blocks out contour drawings with shadow areas being apart of the picture. You can learn it as I did from another source, but his is like carrying around a cliff's notes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffX99 View Post
    Thank gawd! Appreciate the backup guys - it really is an excellent book for getting started. Sit down with a small stack of paper and read one concept/page an evening and do your own sketches based on the principles. Up until about page 72 or so...not worth much after that.
    I'm a researcher/collector ( if that hasn't been made apparent by my threads on books I've purchased) and searched down all Hamm's books and they've been great help. In the book you mention simplifies objects into shapes and blocks out contour drawings with shadow areas being apart of the picture. You can learn it as I did from another source, but his book is like carrying around a cliff's notes.

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