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    Quote Originally Posted by UmpaArt View Post
    Not true!! I know next to nothing about the business aspect of client, developer relationship. I suspected this to be the case but I didn't know because like a lot of people here I'm still a young artist and have yet to actually enter the field of business.
    I stand corrected then. I apologize if my statement felt poorly directed to anybody, it was not intended.
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    And personally I'm not a huge fan of DA. I learn a lot more here so I wouldn't have read it there. I'm sure there are plenty of threads on the business aspect here. There's a wealth of knowledge here and this adds to it imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmalidore View Post
    Which is sort of my point - which I never stated well. It SHOULD be on DA, even on Facebook where pros have a good connection to their young fanbase.
    I facebooked it, with a big "Students/amateurs/wannabe-wouldbe pros: READ THIS" headline. I suggest others do similar.

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    (quick edit: Also Umpa, if you haven't gone down to the Employment Discussion area in the jobs section here on CA, I highly recommend it. There is a wealth of information in there that may help you if you haven't gone through it yet )

    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    I facebooked it, with a big "Students/amateurs/wannabe-wouldbe pros: READ THIS" headline. I suggest others do similar.
    I saw, I was very happy to see that - your words have a lot of weight and people listen to you for a reason, you're not there to ask others what they think - but to educate them.
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    I agree with others that this is worth a mention here, on dA, on Facebook and any other place where inexperienced or less informed artists may see it. To some of us it may be nothing new or surprising, thus no big deal. But it's a good example of a bad client and what to look out for.

    I don't think mentioning it here or on Twitter is "just moan[ing]" about it. Here, for example, a lot of respectable people are members, folk who hopefully others are more willing to listen to and take seriously versus some anonymous commenters.

    As for it being just business, I suppose, but his tone doesn't sit well with me. A person can get the best price for the job without being a jerk. Life's too short to willingly work with people like him.
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    I've edited the thread title to hopefully bring this to the attention of those who most need to read it.

    Also, here is a rational, non-hysterical, but absolute and total takedown of the original article, by someone who actually does know how to hire an artist:
    http://www.thejonjones.com/2010/08/0...ire-an-artist/

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    Breaking News:
    Christopher Gregorio, author of the original article, is SIXTEEN YEARS OLD. Which explains pretty much everything.
    http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Christopher_Gregorio

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    Honesty about business is business is one thing but, when you post under your real name in the industry and then attack others with links to their sites and work, you are just shooting yourself in the foot. Who wants to work with someone who does that instead of addressing the issues with the artists.
    In terms of amateurs lacking a decent work ethic have having commitment issues to a project, that is not due to them being amateurs, that is due to them not having a work ethic and understanding what it is to be part of a team on a project.
    The issue of money is always a tough situation, is a professional worth their money and what constitutes a professional? Someone who earns a living as an artist? Then if even if you are a newer artist but making a living as one, then you are technically a professional. Still in school? I'll concede that you might still be an amateur
    Of course you could go by what is a tax write off and what is not! I can take classes in design and use them as a tax write off, my new laptop and monitor = tax write off, software? tax write off!!!
    So maybe the financial benefits ought to constitute professionalism? NAAAAHHH!!!!! I know "professional" artists who are egotistical nightmares to work with.
    I say if your portfolio is strong, people pay you for your work and you have a solid work ethic and bust your ass to hit deadlines and keep a project rolling forwards, then by Crom you are a professional!
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    Teenagers and their internets.

    When I was a teenager we had to set things on fire and get kicked out of Wal-Mart to show off our stupidity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    Breaking News:
    Christopher Gregorio, author of the original article, is SIXTEEN YEARS OLD. Which explains pretty much everything.
    http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Christopher_Gregorio
    Oh FFS, you mean I've spent my time writing facetious comments to some jerk of a kid when I could have been, oh I don't know, doing anything else!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    Also, here is a rational, non-hysterical, but absolute and total takedown of the original article, by someone who actually does know how to hire an artist:
    http://www.thejonjones.com/2010/08/0...ire-an-artist/
    That's a well written article. Glad you pointed it out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    Breaking News:
    Christopher Gregorio, author of the original article, is SIXTEEN YEARS OLD. Which explains pretty much everything.
    His comments on Reddit say he's 16 but his Digg profile claims he's 23. I'm more prone to believe he's 16 though and lied on his Digg profile for whatever reason. If anyone knows someone involved with Triangle Game Conference -- he had a panel called Monetizing Your Flash Game, Chris Gregorio XDragonX10 Productions -- maybe they could give some insight into this fellow.

    His post has hit over 1k comments. Popcorn gif time. Though a lot are of the "u suk" variety, that Yem and Kathryn keep coming back to defend him. Wonder if they feel that strongly about it, just like an internet fight/troll, or are friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    Also, here is a rational, non-hysterical, but absolute and total takedown of the original article, by someone who actually does know how to hire an artist:
    http://www.thejonjones.com/2010/08/0...ire-an-artist/
    Brilliant.

    The original article in the opening post was so bad I thought it was written simply to troll. Somewhere I'm picturing a 16 year old smiling as he certainly did achieve his objective of rallying the internet, so to speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paramnesia View Post
    His comments on Reddit say he's 16 but his Digg profile claims he's 23. I'm more prone to believe he's 16 though and lied on his Digg profile for whatever reason. If anyone knows someone involved with Triangle Game Conference -- he had a panel called <a href=http://www.trianglegameconference.com/content/schedule_program>Monetizing Your Flash Game, Chris Gregorio XDragonX10 Productions</a> -- maybe they could gives some insight into this fellow.
    This blog post about the conference seems to confirm that he's sixteen (the writer says fifteen, but either he misheard or Chris had a birthday).

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