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    Dear Posters,

    How dare you people prejudge someone else's legitimate expression. I suppose you want everything to look like hyper realistic Boris-Bougereau art, like from 1900. Just because you people are stuck in your provincial little corner of the artworld, juvenile teen-boy fantasies, that doesn't mean everybody must be stuck in the past of their youth. Art is a very wide discipline, and there's enough room for all type of expressions, even your immature works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kev ferrara View Post
    Dear Posters,

    How dare you people prejudge someone else's legitimate expression. I suppose you want everything to look like hyper realistic Boris-Bougereau art, like from 1900. Just because you people are stuck in your provincial little corner of the artworld, juvenile teen-boy fantasies, that doesn't mean everybody must be stuck in the past of their youth. Art is a very wide discipline, and there's enough room for all type of expressions, even your immature works.

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    I knew it was a girl....

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    Quote Originally Posted by UmpaArt View Post
    I knew it was a girl....
    HEY.....guys can be bitches too you know.

    I've met a few.

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    How dare we? well, first of all most of us are behind keyboard and a screen. So...


    ANYWAY, to be on topic. Art is what you said it (yeah i know, its probably trolling but i want to have fun with this one) is a really wide field, a pure grey area. But what do you expect? To people to sit i awe all the time and praise your work? Pfft...

    One thing is for sure, that girl did something really gutsy. Props to that.




    I still find the blowjob video funny. But then again, who cares really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kev ferrara View Post
    Dear Posters,

    How dare you people prejudge someone else's legitimate expression. I suppose you want everything to look like hyper realistic Boris-Bougereau art, like from 1900. Just because you people are stuck in your provincial little corner of the artworld, juvenile teen-boy fantasies, that doesn't mean everybody must be stuck in the past of their youth. Art is a very wide discipline, and there's enough room for all type of expressions, even your immature works.

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    I'm sure she wants to give that "Artist" a big hug after the performance. Euww!


    I didn't think it was possible to be called an artist when you have nothing to say. It's like being a writer who publishes individual words as books and expects to be praised for it.
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    Ha I didn't say she was a bitch. It's just usually a girl that gets all bent out of shape about something as trivial as this.

    She got all bent out of shape because people didn't like what they did. It's art, something we are allowed to like or dislike. If your gonna rant, at least make it relevant to the posters. Not just calling us all close minded fools who can't appreciate how revolutionary this is.

    Theres no craft in what the girl in the video did. There is a reason craft is necessary.

    For example, I have tons of friends that say things to me like "O man, if I could draw like you I could create all these crazy things in my head." In other words, the craft is catalyst for the concepts and expression. The craft takes things from your mind and conveys them in a manner that others can relate.

    The better you are at your craft, the better your able to express whats in your mind and make others understand those concepts.

    That video was no different from a 3 year old acting ridiculous. Maybe there was a good concept behind it, but it wasn't expressed well at all.

    You might say "oh, well your mind just isnt advanced enough to understand and appreciate it."

    Well the fact of the matter is, art, when done well can reach a large audience, not just some cappuccino drinking cafe beatnik hipsters who have a grand understanding of art and it's meaning.

    So, the idea might of been good but really, if it's soliciting such a negative response from all of the ARTISTS here, shouldn't that tell you something? Clearly the message has not been conveyed properly. And it's an artists job to convey these concepts thoughts and expressions as best as possible.

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    My brain tries so hard to accept and understand this, and comes to 3 different conclusions:

    1- Spoiled and untalented kids that want to be called "artists" without actually doing anything, not even knowing how to open a can.

    2- People that are into public sex, and disguise it as "art" to avoid being called perverts.

    3- Both.

    I mean, come on... I heard about this "conceptual artist" that made a giant dark tube and he was inside, and said he would rape whoever came into the tube, or another that made an instalation that included him inside a cabinet masturbating, and people could hear him, creepy as hell.

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    Could you imagine if someone went inside that tube with a bat and broke both of his legs? lol

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    This is why I'm so glad Firefox has a Flash Block extension. It's right up there with Adblock Plus.

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    Could you imagine if someone went inside that tube with a bat and broke both of his legs? lol
    I would send a big black dude into the tube, to see how well he "performs" his "art" LOL

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    I say there is to much we don't know to be this critical. For all we know they were students trying to cut out as much as they could and try to get emotionally involved in their projects.

    I see some in it, I'm guessing maybe it has something to say about fixating on things such as sex and food, while neglecting the higher paths of thought, etc.

    But it didn't really look like they took themselves all that seriously eh? Some seemed just as bewildered as ourselves.

    That said, Chicago has had a history of some ...alternative... ways to consider things for a while now eh?

    They are just kids experimenting, no one in the video suggested more than that.

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    This reminds me of that guy who had an exhibition in an art gallery where he showed a lot of videos where he fucked animals. Quite questionable if you ask me.

    Are we allowed to be critical against this kinda thingssss?

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    I perfer the "artist" who went into a store and shoved a raw chicken into a snatch and ran out of the store without paying for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Saksida View Post
    I mean, come on... I heard about this "conceptual artist" that made a giant dark tube and he was inside, and said he would rape whoever came into the tube,
    That was a hoax/joke. It was satire of this type of performance art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckWeisel View Post
    That was a hoax/joke. It was satire of this type of performance art.

    http://www.care2.com/causes/womens-r...urns-art-hoax/
    What I don't understand is, where is the difference between satire of performance art, and performance art? for example Damien Hirst, he openly says that what he does is showing everyone how, if an urinal can be art, a dead cow with its guts outside can be art too... what he does is satirical and critical, but the people still gives him lots of money.

    I always thought that Duchamp was misunderstood, because people took the urinal thing seriously, and it was not his intention.

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    I woulda have bought a can with one of those finger loops, way quicker entrance. Or was that part of the art? Actually watching a person open a can of food for 3 minutes w/o the smearing and pissing would have seemed a lot more original to me.

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    Sturgeon's Law, folks.
    To put it in perhaps more familiar terms, this sort of thing is the Performance Art equivalent of the lens flared anime traces on deviantart, that's all. And the applauding audience are the "ZOMG AWESOME! FAVED!!!!!!" comments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    Sturgeon's Law, folks.
    To put it in perhaps more familiar terms, this sort of thing is the Performance Art equivalent of the lens flared anime traces on deviantart, that's all. And the applauding audience are the "ZOMG AWESOME! FAVED!!!!!!" comments.
    I would love to see what a supposedly GREAT performance would be, none of the ones ive seen irl have been that great and strangely most of them have something to do with vaginas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nonobot View Post
    I perfer the "artist" who went into a store and shoved a raw chicken into a snatch and ran out of the store without paying for it.
    Her own, I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash View Post
    I would love to see what a supposedly GREAT performance would be
    Thats what I'm saying- they always feel lazy and half-assed. I mean reallly if you're gonna go for it- GO FOR IT. Here's what I think she should have done;

    --deep red mood lighting.
    --step out wearing no clothes except for a George W. Bush mask. Keep the syllabic mumbling-BUT- just afterwards scream EVERYTHING IS SHIT!! as loud and shrill as possible-THEN-
    -strobelights-
    -drone industrial drum n bass chainsaw music
    -Two effeminate black dudes dressed as satyrs with giant dildos strapped to their heads faux crucify her as she smears McDonalds' cheeseburgers all over herself.
    --Finally--Shes lifted into the air and begins spraying the crowd with bodily fluids as the satyrs do the "running man".


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    Quote Originally Posted by dan! View Post
    thats what i'm saying- they always feel lazy and half-assed. I mean reallly if you're gonna go for it- go for it. Here's what i think she should have done;

    --deep red mood lighting.
    --step out wearing no clothes except for a george w. Bush mask. Keep the syllabic mumbling-but- just afterwards scream everything is shit!! As loud and shrill as possible-then-
    -strobelights-
    -drone industrial drum n bass chainsaw music
    -two effeminate black dudes dressed as satyrs with giant dildos strapped to their heads faux crucify her as she smears mcdonalds' cheeseburgers all over herself.
    --finally--shes lifted into the air and begins spraying the crowd with bodily fluids as the satyrs do the "running man".


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    the comments in this thread are hilarious, I dont get a sense of hatred like a few pointed out, it's just lounge humor

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    Sturgeon's Law, folks.
    To put it in perhaps more familiar terms, this sort of thing is the Performance Art equivalent of the lens flared anime traces on deviantart, that's all. And the applauding audience are the "ZOMG AWESOME! FAVED!!!!!!" comments.
    This is a perfect analogy.

    "It's my style!" = "You just don't get it" *sips PBR*

    It's an incredible cop-out when any artist or proponent of said art claims that it is exempt from criticism simply on the grounds that a viewer does not share their experience. Sometimes it almost seems like a lot of artists actually do get this and extend the courtesy of not calling each others' bluffs. It's an attitude that elevates art to such a high altitude that it suffocates.

    But yeah. My philosophy is pretty simple. If someone says it's art, it probably is. You're still allowed to not like or understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan! View Post
    Thats what I'm saying- they always feel lazy and half-assed. I mean reallly if you're gonna go for it- GO FOR IT. Here's what I think she should have done;

    --deep red mood lighting.
    --step out wearing no clothes except for a George W. Bush mask. Keep the syllabic mumbling-BUT- just afterwards scream EVERYTHING IS SHIT!! as loud and shrill as possible-THEN-
    -strobelights-
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    -Two effeminate black dudes dressed as satyrs with giant dildos strapped to their heads faux crucify her as she smears McDonalds' cheeseburgers all over herself.
    --Finally--Shes lifted into the air and begins spraying the crowd with bodily fluids as the satyrs do the "running man".

    Bam!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sticks View Post
    I woulda have bought a can with one of those finger loops, way quicker entrance. Or was that part of the art? Actually watching a person open a can of food for 3 minutes w/o the smearing and pissing would have seemed a lot more original to me.
    You could be onto something there... !

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    ...okay...this is starting to piss me off...

    I went to eat and some asshole stole my can of beans...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilaekae View Post
    ...okay...this is starting to piss me off...

    I went to eat and some asshole stole my can of beans...
    Ok dude. I have no time to explain but trust me. You do not want to stick around for what happens next.

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