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    kinda a lot of replies O_O for me anyway.

    timdegro: thanks again man ^_^ yeah that websites awesome. and practice is good. very good!

    Gamerhomie: thanks! and uh...yeeaaah i need to get back on that. i have a bad habit of not finishing things :/ i wanted to improve a bit more before i started painting it though cuz i want it to be a portfolio piece. and well i got to school in chicago but im back in cali right now for the holidays. i go back next week.

    mrd33ds: gracias. well i can find some stuff to crit O.O still got a ways to go to get where i wanna be. thanks though. cheers!

    DSmith: poopie self portrait X(.....thank you

    skMOP: thanks man. dropped by your sketchbook too youve made some improvements as well!

    Dana_T: im gonna try some more, it was fun thanks!

    krysjez: thank yooouuu i need to get better though!


    some thoughts about art:
    well i know ive been improving lately and ive been thinking about what contributes to that improvement so whatever works the most i can do more of. besides just doing large quantities of art, i think there are certain things or processes you can do that will make you improve faster than others. for example, i looked through Miles's sketchbook (darn kid, rawr! haha) and i saw he improved faster than anyone ive seen, with maybe the exception of algenpfleger. i also noticed that even though he and algen improved at about the same rate, Miles wasnt doing as much art as algen was. so whatever Miles was doing had to have been a bit more efficient.
    anyway, i went back through his sketchbook again to figure out what he was doing and i saw he did a bunch of studies of photos and anatomy and all that stuff and then h would go and do a finished illustration. then he would go and do more studies and then another piece. and pretty much every piece was a little better than the last one. algenpfleger did tons and tons and tons of studies but not as many finished pieces.
    so what i got from that was that i think that doing a finished illustration every week or 2 in between studies will make you apply the things youve learned from the studies and engrain them in your head much better than just doing studies back to back. im not saying people should do less studies, but i think that working from imagination can help you improve much more quickly. of course, for improvements sake, if i had to choose one, i would pick doing nothing but studies over doing nothing but pieces from imagination. so i would recommend doing more studies than imaginitive work, but doing that little bit from your head makes a lot of difference.
    but, a problem i see a lot is people jumping the gun trying to do things they are not ready for. im guilty of this too. i mentioned this in my first post, but there is no magic texture brush or overlay layer that will instantly make you better. sure, different brushes and types of layers can have some amazing effects, but not until you understand the fundamentals and can use these things correctly. you must be able to put down the right colors and values in order for a piece to look good. ive seen some people (including me, look at my first post) render out things down to every last little detail, but if the colors and values arent right, it wont look half as good as something that does have those right but in a few, loose strokes. its kind of the same story with studies actually. ive seen a people do a lot of anatomy studies that have bold, fantastic lines that are inaccurate. or photo studies with great brush strokes or rendering, but the drawing or colors/values are off. in order to pull as much as you can from those studies, you have to be able to accurately "study" whatever it is you are looking at. if you have to sacrifice some line quality in order to get that drawing of your hand just right, or spend a lot of extra time checking the color on that photo study, DO IT. the quality of your lines and strokes will improve and you will get faster and more efficient the more you do, but it is a much harder road trying to learn things the other way around. line quality and bold brush strokes are definitely weaknesses of mine and take a level of finesse i dont have, but i can say i am at least getting the forms and colors down accurately when i do studies. but if you arent getting the forms and colors correctly than you arent learning how a hand really looks or how light really bounces off an object. especially with things like faces, where the tiniest detail in the wrong spot can make it look wrong, this is key. if you feel that your studies arent looking how you want them to, take the time to find out WHY. figure out why the expression looks wrong or why the colors/values are looking washed out. im not saying to meticulously spend hours on each study you do making everything perfect, but putting in that extra effort to make sure you are putting the big shapes in the right spot or that your colors are just about the same can really help you pull as much as you can out of a study. if you keep doing more and more with that extra effort, you will get faster and faster and wont have to put as much effort in to get the same level of accuracy; or you can spend the same amount of time and get a much better result.
    so the main things i want to get across (plus a short version for people who dont wanna read the essay i just wrote ) are:

    -make sure you can accurately copy the things you are studying from. if your studies are inaccurate, you will be learning what things DO NOT look like or how light DOESNT behave.

    -if this means you have to sacrifice line or brush stroke quality for accuracy, DO IT! clean lines and brush stroke efficiency require finesse and will not look good if the lines or strokes are not in the right place or are the wrong value or color. the quality of these things will improve with practice, but it is more important to get them accurate than pretty.

    -APPLY the studies you do. do a finished illustration every once in a while in between studies and really try to apply what you learned from those studies. this will help ingrain what you learned in your head, and also give you a good idea of how youve improved, as well as show you what you need to improve on for your next batch of studies.

    -and i cant stress this enough. DO MORE ART!!! this is the most important thing anyone can do if they want to get better. we can sit around all day and say "oh, i want to be as good as that one guy" but as long as we dont get off our butts and do something about it we will not improve. i understand people have lives and for many people its hard to stay motivated for long periods of time. but try to fit in a little bit of art every day, no matter how little. every bit helps. and the reason me, algenpfleger, MindCandyMan and all the other hard working people out there stayed motivated is because they all knew how good they wanted to be and they understood that the only way that they would get there was through hard work. ive been thinking about and i just put it in my signature, but "KEEP DOING ART AND YOU'LL EVENTUALLY GET WHERE YOU WANT TO BE. HOW FAST YOU GET THERE IS UP TO YOU."


    so yeah sorry for the crazy long post, but its something ive been thinking about for a while, and i thought it might help some people.

    anyway, heres a little more work on that chow. still got quite a ways to go O_O i gotta do some more metal and skin tone studies too
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    cheers guys!


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    agree 100% man.
    your horsemen piece is coming along quite nicely as well.

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    Thanks for writing that whole thing. I was actually just thinking how I am not really doing enough from my imagination and I feel it is really holding me back. I guess I'll have to try and change that in the new year.

    Your latest painting is coming along really nicely, but I am a little confused as to the lightsource in the background. I seems to me that there is a setting sun there, but at the same time there is one behind us lighting the horses. Also the lighting on the white horse and rider is slightly inconsistent--in some areas it appears to be coming more straight on and other areas more from the right hand side.

    Anyhow, keep going. Your sense of colour is pretty strong...work on construction and anatomy more and you will be awesome.
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    Andrew Sonea thanks man. and yeah i was a little undecided which way i wanted the light to be shining, but i decided that now so im fixing it. and the light in the background is supposed to be hell. in the story hell is following death which is the last rider. and ive got some other stuff to work on too if i wanna be awesome O_O

    a la bapsi: why thank you sorry the sketchjam didnt work out next time!

    my internet was acting funky last night so i couldnt post this.

    didnt get much done on monday (just some work on the chow) so i made up for it yesterday. finally got a bridgman pdf soooo helpful!
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    page from head:
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    and some studies of ixius's stuff. his lines are soooooooooo good! construction too. this helped a bit. hope he doesnt mind...
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    and a page of really ugly people
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    also did a screencap painting from a website i got from andrew sonea. thanks again! here it is; its awesome: cinemasquid
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    and heres an update on that chow. still gotta redo the 2 on the left :/ and a looooot of rendering.
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    oh yeah and if you havent seen it yet.....GO VISIT CREATURE OF THE WEEK!!!! ITS ROUND 200 AND THE TOPIC'S SUPER EPIC!!! COME SUPPORT/PARTICIPATE!

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    Woo! You're workin your toukas off. Great show

    Hard for me to crit on horses, cause I'm not so familiar with them, but I think there may be some construction issues with their heads. I don't think they are quite so trapezoidal.

    But like I said, I'm kind of retarded about horses, so disregard my crit if you like!

    Keep goin! I wanna see that CHOW resolved! And btw, you are a beast for goin for it, I was too much of a ninny to attempt it -_-
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    you're doing good my friend. Nice thoughts about art too, see you in COW

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    Yay I got a mention! I laughed when I saw what you are posting--it's like we are doing the same thing. Not only the screencaps, but also just last night I did a few pages studying Ixius' lines (you have good taste).

    The CHOW is looking better; nothing to crit on it. For the other stuff you still need to focus on construction more. On the page with the "ugly people" heads this is pretty evident. I found that Kevin Chen had some really helpful simplifications and constructions of the head:
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    lol
    Lance's art time adventures :D

    i'm not suuuuure but i have this feeeeeeling that you miiight want us to participate in COW 200. ;D

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    Great stuff man, I can see you improving a ton at this rate. I love the horse piece, my only crit is that it proportionally your characters are too large for the horses. Take this image as an example of good proportions: [Clicky!]notice how her butt sits in the middle of the horse's back, while in yours the characters seem to sit almost on the horse's rear. This makes the horses look like they have really small backs. I hope this makes sense? Its coming out great so far regardless!

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    Nice work! keep it up mister!
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    hey this is going great !

    your faces are getting better especially the painting, you seems pretty young in the self portrait.

    always thankful to u for sharing your steps in oil, hope u keep it

    good luck with your nexts

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    sorry guys gotta run. im gonna be crazy busy up until about tuesday night so i wont have much time for art...or computer things

    ill do replies when i can. HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

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    great great, your creatures really amazing i like it

    the best advice to you just explore stone study and put it in the creature's textures

    Keep it up


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    Just letting you know, your work-ethic is amazing and left me all inspired and motivated. Your improvement in just 6 pages is mind-blowing. i'm sold. Subscribed. x)

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    agree 100% with what you wrote abot improving. i got the zhanglu female portrait download a few weeks ago and it kinda boosted my motivation. I've been drawing more than ever and to paint and draw a lot from imagination is soooo important. It makes you see what you stilll do not know. How else will you find out?

    What I also find important: Thinking about it. When studying anatomy or everything else, it's essential to think about the stuff you study. There is absolutely no point in doing Bridgman Studies only by trying to copy the lines as close as possible. You have to think hard about what muscle this is or what it is you draw at all.

    Another thing (sorry for spamming your SB) that I found helpful: Repeating. Drawing a pose from a photo. Then try to draw the pose from mind. That makes you see what you still don't know. Then study again and draw from mind again and so on.

    In the end, there are always people who pick this stuff up faster and some need a lot more time. There's things that are out of your control.

    Like your SB by the way, keep it up. =)

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    Dude.....you got REALLY good, REALLLLY quick. I'm envious of your digital painting skillzzzz. Quick question, what do you think helped you the most when it came to getting a grasp on color and values in PS? I'm having the hardest time with it. Keep on this track man, you're becoming a monster. A good monster..

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    whoawa lotsa replies! O_O

    kiwigarbage: i THOUGHT they looked off. thanks for pointing that out! and im trying to finish it. so much left to do! ;_;

    DefiledVisions: aw thanks man! hope your holidays went well. lookin forward to what you do for cow!

    Andrew Sonea: hahaha thats wierd. those faces were kinda rushed and i think i could do better if i slowed down a little, but yes i DO suck major ass at faces. i just cant seem to get my head around....heads thanks for the link, ill check it out.

    bapsi: HELL YES I DO!!!!

    Sapphirelullaby: oh shoot thanks for pointing that out! ill go fix that.

    Odayga: why thank you kind sir

    zou: it doesnt look anything like me! >.< ok kinda, but im not too happy with it. and yeah im 18

    lancer_idenoure: stop spamming, you slacker!

    qotzan: thanks but uh, which creature do you mean??

    Dominode: nothin like algenpfleger yet though. i try :/

    Kfeeras: oh no no no, definitely not considered as spam, i really appreciate crits/suggestions. thanks for that. -lance

    jNeumann: i said a bit about improving in an earlier post. but for me, what helped me the most with digital colors (i started out in oil) was doing a few photo/life paintings, but really slowing down and making sure you match every color and value as close as you can get. even if it takes you longer than usual, it will really help you learn to see the variations in color. youll get faster the more you do. i checked out your sb, and i can see some improvement already just put as much effort into colors as you do your pencils and youll get the hand of them in no time. cheers man!

    ok finally got all settled back in my dorm in chicago and no class till monday, so ill have plenty of time for art

    but all i got done over the last few days was a screencap and some more work on chow :/

    this took about 2.25 hours on one layer. i went a bit crazy with the sharpen tool O_O some steps too:
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    theres a screencap thread going now too, heres a link: LINK! if you havent checked it out, do. its pretty cool

    changed the background a bit and started some rendering. now im starting to worry whether or not i can finish this by sunday *_* i gotta work my ass off
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    i dont wanna update the chow until its done after this, so i might not post anything for a while.

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    Great stuff in here lancer, looks like your super motivated and super busy, which gets me all pumped up too haha your screen cap turned out great even if you spend a little longer than an hour on it hehe Looking forward to seeing your Chow develop. Will check back soon man cheers for the inspiring words.

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    fudgeloaf: thanks!

    been busier than i thought i would, plus i screwed up my wrist in gymnastics somehow :/ ice ice ice!!! (and a little drugs dont hurt niether)

    nother screencap study. quicker on this one, just 45 mins

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    Hoooly. Your post at the top. zomg. A little sidescrolling because of my tiny ass monitor but worth it.
    thanks for the inspiration with that.

    The rendering on the CHOW is looking real nice so far.
    Seriously inspiring after seeing this improvement..

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    Lance! Where'd you go, man!? I'm missing my weekly dose of awesomeness! And how are school studies going?

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    damn its been a month since my last post...damn...

    skMOP: glad it could help

    Blender914: um....yeah.....

    poopie. i took a little break after that chow (which i still havent finished :/) and then got caught up playing monster hunter for like a week. then classes started along with gymnastics season with meets pretty much every weekend and ive just been kinda swamped. part of its cuz ive just been lazy cuz im burnt out from life atm, but still, I NEED TO GET BACK ON TRACK!!! ill try to get daily updates going again.

    i havent been totally inactive, but most of the stuff ive done is from my drawing class. my teachers a slave driver!--which i dont particularly mind, but the stuff she assigns is stuff is more time consuming than i would like. id rather be doing small studies rather than huge, 18x24 drawings....oh well

    some contour line things:
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    i feel like these helped my linework a bit

    and we had to pair up and draw each other so heres that. i drew my buddy ashley. shes a cutie
    first 2 are blind contour (i hate those) and the 5 min one sucks

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    after that we did self-portraits. i didnt have a mirror so these are from photos (and actually looks like me this time!) i feel like my lines got tons better
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    18x24:
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    nuther 18x24 of hands. this one was in pen with no drawing underneath. went better than i expected (gettin better ) took about an hour total
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    we had a field trip to the zoo and did some sketches, which was cool. couple mins each
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    and heres some portraits from photos and imagination
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    unfinished city sketch i did in art history (fuck that class) and a monster hunter-inspired sketch. at least i got SOMETHING from that game.
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    and our drawing midterm is to combine 2 different animals. i picked and awesome monkey i found in a national geographic and a lion. i gotta do another one too. heres some sketches for that anyway
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    and finally, we had to draw ourselves with an animal we saw at the zoo so i drew THE BEST SELF PORTRAIT EVER!!!
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    i shall get back to daily updates if its the last thing i do!!!!!! RAWR!!!
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    a la bapsi: yeah right...maybe if i actually did art every once in a while!


    ok so i DID do some drawings yesterday but theyre on the effing ridiculous 4x3 FOOT paper my drawing teacher's making me draw on but im just laying things out so theres not much to show

    im pissed, i have SO much homework this weekend AND a i have a meet in nebraska for most of it....im screwed...

    heres a bird painting from today. little less than 2 hours i wanna say...
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    we'll see what i can get done this weekend :/

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    gaaah damn school! i did some sketches but no time to scan them :/

    sorry for not posting anything, ill be back some time next week....damn...
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    skillz. keep it coming.
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    Parsakoira: thanks for stoppin by dude

    NickTrip: tank oo

    couldnt resist a quick experiment.....i am gonna fail my classes O_O

    based off of one of ruanjia's paintings. that guy's sense of color is just unbelievable. i wouldnt say this is a failed experiment, i just dont really like how it turned out. at least i learned a thing or two. i need to study more......
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    Looking good man, I can't tell you anything you don't already know.

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    #26 i think i did the same study some time ago (page1 ^^)

    looking good so far, keep doin´

    alge ftw. I would like to know how many people he made to start taking drawing serious. you! me!

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