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    Who do YOU serve?

    This is a drawing I had to do for the VA in Prescott. Comments are appreciated.

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    Okay, you have your composition and lighting choices picked out, but you need to tighten everything up. The lighting doesn't make a lot of sense right now (where is all the blue coming from? Is there fire in front of his face?). Also, the eyes are very detailed, but nothing else looks finished. Try finishing out the rest of the picture with the same amount of effort you put into the eyes, it will look that much better.

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    I will try to add all of these things on monday, thanks for the advice.

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    Here is the second version of this picture. The lighting doesn't make sense, but I'm not going to fix it, because the people don't want me to add anything else...I did have several ideas, but oh well.

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    Hey Allyson.

    Agreed with what Meketaten said.

    Just my own ramblings... I haven't really heard the tag line in the context of VA before, so I don't really get what it implies. Is it a call to citizens to serve some greater good, and if so, is it your country, military, or fellow citizens? I inquire because I'm not necessarily getting the message from your graphic either. Obviously, I see the military aspect, but the action in the bg is pretty unclear/confusing and the foreground soldier doesn't really portray too much, especially with the blue flame coming out of his/her eye. If you didn't mention that this is for the VA, I might wonder if the question was one of allegiance.
    Also, I'm guessing this is just your drawing style, but I can't tell if the soldier is a male or female. Normally I don't say anything about androgyny in art, but I think in this particular context and especially if this is a commission for a VA group, I think it can have an impact on the resulting image and the focus of the message that you're trying to go for.
    One last thing, visually, most of the image seems to be dark valued which can make the image pretty hard to read. You might want to take that into consideration.

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    It's for Veteran's Centered Care and it's employees. I was really unclear as to what they wanted, because they gave me no guidelines. They liked the fact that the soldier looked neither feminine or masculine.

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    I see your updated version now and that does seem to portray a message better since it implies a sense of patriotism (though the American flag is pretty distorted and hard to read).

    If they liked the fact that the soldier is androgynous, then you did a great job with that. (no sarcasm!)

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    I changed the color on the flag a little bit

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    I would add some more midtones. I can tell you are going for extreme lighting here, but the soldier seems to be made of metal.
    Of course, if that's what you were going for then good job.

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    what is the blue light? why is it not on the flag? shouldn't it be 'whom do you serve?'?

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    The people wanted it to say "Who" I guess...though I think it is who not whom.
    And the people wanted me to keep the flag as is. The blue light was supposed to be blue flames or lamps, but they wanted me to take all of that out.
    About the metal, sorta now that I think about it.

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    It's too bad about the flag. It would match so much better if you could paint it instead of it being a photo behind your picture.
    But you gotta do what you gotta do to please the client.

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    Cliff has evoked the grammar geek in me.
    As far as I know, "whom" is appropriate only when it is the object of a preposition:
    - To whom are you talking?
    - For whom the bell tolls

    Any other time, it should be "who".

    Edit: Okay, so I just googled it to be sure, and it's more confusing than that. So I guess Cliff was right about the original phrase. I hate English.
    If anyone cares enough for the distinctions: http://web.ku.edu/~edit/whom.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by FalyneVarger View Post
    It's too bad about the flag. It would match so much better if you could paint it instead of it being a photo behind your picture.
    But you gotta do what you gotta do to please the client.
    At least it was my own photo and not one from the internet.

    EDIT: It is who, not whom. If you were using "whom" it would be, "For whom did you serve?"

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    The type makes it look like a lowbrow comedy poster.

    I also think the darkness of the image is saying "bad guys". It's simple human psychology.

    You need to work with harder brushes in the beginning. It's lookin pretty muddy.

    This needs to be much more graphic since you are working for print. Forget about some of the subtle nuances in value and shape.

    Here are some artists that might inspire you. Dean Cornwell, JC Leyendecker, Jordi Penalva and Moby Francke

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