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    Is it only about the stars?

    Lately I noticed something in the sketchbook section, its as if people are only interested in seeing cool concepts and cool stuff and not much interested in really going to those sketchbooks with the low 3 stars or no star, it is painful to see because the sketchbook section is about helping out each other among other things and it doesnt feel like that any more, I talk from my own experience and from many other sketchbooks i've seen of new strugling artists who are begging for some direction and comments but they get none.
    is this the fate of a forum that got so big and popular? do we have to eventually move to smaller communities to help each other and get comments on our art?
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    Yes.

    But maybe no.
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    Just a few hours ago while updating my sketchbook here I realized it's not really a sketchbook. After going through the exclusive sketchbooks and 5 star rated ones for years now, I've always felt somehow pressured to only put stuff worth dazzling others based on my current skills, when really a sketchbook is not that, it should be for you only, with no second thought of drawing with the purpose to impress.

    I avoid posting my crappy doodles that most of my real sketchbooks are overfilled with, afraid that I would be judged by those sketches.

    anyway I've been plagued by this fear for the longest time, Im really lazy about updating my thread because of this, wonder if anyone here can relate.
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    Yeah. I never pay attention to the stars. I only look at the thumbnails. I have noticed popularity is a chain reaction. Things tend to get popular when they are popular. But that's just social nature, but a large page count typically brings more traffic. People that go through the hastle of posting every little scribble seem to get allot of love, because everybody wants to see growth in progress. Unfortunately I get really depressed seeing somebody study bridgeman or loomis or what ever accurately from cover to cover and it doesn't show in their personal work.
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    I dunno. I can barely keep up with the crits from a few regulars, much less a flood of people! One well-placed critique gives me enough to work on for weeks, if not months, so there's only so much that I can absorb. I don't need popularity to improve, and improvement is why I'm here, so... no, for me it's not about the stars at all. It sure is nice to have a few familiar faces, though.

    "artists who are begging for some direction and comments but they get none"
    Can you point some of them out? I can't do it regularly, but I can use some of tonight's free time to pay them visits. (If I have time to post in the Lounge, I have time to critique! )
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    People who don't get much attention shouldn't let that get to them, when their art deserves it, it will get plenty. Meanwhile and after you just keep grinding. Art being a very personal thing it's up to each to make theirs interesting to others with others' assistance and more often, without. I think CA does a lot already.
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    I never look at the star ratings either. I'd rather encourage those starting out than give ass pats.
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    I see the star system a bit differently. I don't think 3 stars means a not so good sketchbook, 3 stars is recognition, even 1 star is (although I fail to recall seeing any sketchbooks with 1 or 2 stars). I go by the thumbnails mostly.
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    I really don't want this to turn into DA part 2 but it looks like that's what's hapening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sticks View Post
    I see the star system a bit differently. I don't think 3 stars means a not so good sketchbook, 3 stars is recognition, even 1 star is (although I fail to recall seeing any sketchbooks with 1 or 2 stars). I go by the thumbnails mostly.
    Not really, it's a rating system. 1 star means "terrible" , 2 stars means "Bad", 3 means "Average", 4 means "Good" and 5 means "Excellent". Giving beginners 1/2 stars isn't really productive, so most sketchbooks don't have any (undefined).

    As a beginner I mostly visit 5 star sketchbooks for inspiration and sketchbooks of people who visit mine. Occasionally I browse through some beginner sketchbooks, but as a novice I don't feel I have anything useful to say, especially if it doesn't show in my art.
    However, anyone who has progressed to a certain level and shows it in their art has something to share with those who haven't reached that level yet. Of course it is very inspiring to read a post from a known artists in your sketchbook.

    The bottom line is this: getting good at art is hard work and requires a lot of dedication. Most people on this board know what is required to become good and newcomers (can) find out after a short time here. There is a wealth of information not only here, but scattered throughout the Internet.
    Getting critiques is great but not a prerequisite for becoming better, especially starting out. Once you actually start getting better, better artists will notice that you're serious about it and will be more inclined to help you overcome any plateau you might have hit.
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    Yeah I got to agree with some of you, the star system can mean people only look at the ones with more stars, but at the same time those are the sketchbooks you know are going to have work in you can aspire to. I look both at starred and unstarred threads, but i wish I had more time to look at either, I never seem to have the time to browse so I do just end up looking at the first page which is a bit of shame!

    maybe organising sketchbooks into topics? or groups of topics so you know what each person is trying to specialise in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny_K View Post
    is this the fate of a forum that got so big and popular?
    Yes it is.

    There is no quick fix. It isn't possible. It's the nature of people, the nature of the Internet. Just like huge colleges with large classes don't offer the singular attention to each student they could probably use, it's the same here, at CGTalk, etc. That's just the nature of the beast. It's been like that for years.

    Personally.

    I like it that way.

    Because the truth of the matter is that 90% of those starting sketchbooks, don't understand where they stand as artists, don't even REALLY understand what they want to do as an artist, and they're desperately searching for someone to pop in their book and say "You're special, you'll definitely be a concept artist. Keep posting stuff and I'll keep telling you you're awesome" so that they don't have to really think about it themselves. A lot of the fixes to these things - you can't critique them or tell them about it, they just have to discover it on their own and that's different for everyone.

    The simple truth, is that the real learning comes from inside. From your own efforts, not from some magical Internets just because you're there. Recognition in a place like this is a game. If you want it, you have to work for it. Either with badass art, or witty/meaningful posts in the lounge drawing attention to yourself, or running around commenting on as many other SB's as possible.

    If you're not looking for recognition, you're looking to improve - that's an entirely different story. If that's the case, you look at life. Life is your teacher. I'm not talking staring at naked people I'm talking experiencing - with an open mind, all the time. And if you need a mentor, find out what's really important to you, find someone you think fits those core values and understanding, and seek them out yourself - be it a PM, an email, or meeting them in person.

    What you're talking about - the only "fix" for getting the sketchbook section to focus on everyone equally, or the people who "need" it more... Well, the fix rests with us as artists. In what we choose to do, what we respond to on a large scale. But people don't want it to change. They would rather you post "Hey you're doing good keep it up, I like post #3!" than have you send them a really in-depth critique in the form of a PM. A PM doesn't bump their thread. It makes sense, all of it makes perfect sense. The ones who are potentially the most suitable to GIVE critique are busy making awesome art, making money off of it to pay their bills. They don't have the time to go around to all the 15 year old's sketchbooks individually and put a ton of thought into it. It's not possible. The few that do care enough to help - they don't go and respond to sketchbooks individually, they start places where people can seek out THEM. Mr. Delicious and the Crimson Daggers - Hannes' and Jana's paintover thread, as two examples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny_K View Post
    Lately I noticed something in the sketchbook section, its as if people are only interested in seeing cool concepts and cool stuff and not much interested in really going to those sketchbooks with the low 3 stars or no star, it is painful to see because the sketchbook section is about helping out each other among other things and it doesnt feel like that any more, I talk from my own experience and from many other sketchbooks i've seen of new strugling artists who are begging for some direction and comments but they get none.
    is this the fate of a forum that got so big and popular? do we have to eventually move to smaller communities to help each other and get comments on our art?
    It's unfortunate and frustrating. I liked having a SB in the beginning because it provided equal parts encouragement and education... but lately the only person posting comments in mine is... well me.

    I think as an exercise I'm going to make it a point to comment in at least three SBs every time I visit CA. Then at least I'm doing something to change the problem.
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