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    Do NOT go to SCAD

    I have made a couple serious mistakes in my life but none of them compare to the mistake I made when choosing to go to SCAD Atlanta for my Masters Degree. I am opening this thread in hopes of thwarting anyone from going to SCAD. Especially, if you don't have a rich mom and dad to cover the bill. I should have known better from the start. I researched a lot about the school before I went. I heard a lot of negative things about the school. Yet, for some reason, I had thought that all of the negativity was from people who had mediocre art skills and wanted to bitch about getting bad grades. Here's a couple things to consider before choosing this school. This information is not out of spite, as much as it is out of people needing to prepare themselves if going to this institution.

    1) Get ready to never sleep: seriously... you will not sleep. If you do sleep then you are probably going to fail or get poor grades. It's like some strange right of passage and not very healthy in general. People are sleeping on couches all over the school. It's really creepy actually.

    2) Get used to seeing people cry everyday. There are a lot of kids either fighting with security guards or crying because they never sleep and they are emotionally drained. This is not exaggerated. It's really depressing.

    3)Faculty are busy professionals they have no time for your problems or too many questions. I have heard this multiple times, "Don't email me" or "I am on a deadline!! I'll get to it later". I have 5 friends who are professors. They always have time for their students. They even give out their personal numbers.

    4)When Sherry Wallace is in town SCAD shuts down. Sherry Wallace is the woman who owns SCAD. There are times when the accreditation people will come through the school. This means the owner comes to the school to show her face. This in return means that everything begins to suck and faculty start acting in a totally different way.

    5)Don't fall for the coolness factor of the school. The school is crammed with a lot of really shallow people. It's like a really bad reality t.v. show in retrospect. Turn the channel.

    6)The administration absolutely sucks on so many levels. If you have a problem be prepared to get passed around to so many different people that you will eventually give up. They administration also has a lot of bad attitude. I get the feeling most of them hate their jobs. The tone of their voices is great when you begin school! But when you finally get in the system and something goes wrong or you owe them money things change. My number one complaint about this school is the Bursar and registration. Holy crap... It is murder dealing with these people.

    7)Cafeteria food is NASTY. In Atlanta there are 2 different dorms. ACA and Spring House. If you live in Spring House then you are forced to buy a meal plan. On the website is states you can have a mini fridge and microwave in the room. So why force you to have a meal plan? An overpriced meal plan. The food is nasty and it gets old really fast. You do not need a meal plan for the ACA house.. but it is 1000 bux more to live there so it evens out to Spring House.

    8) No parking at ACA house. The dorm is located on a busy street in downtown Atlanta. If you park your car to unload your belongings to your room the cops give you tickets. There is a city run parking garage across the street and it costs like 180 bucks for 3 months or something.

    9) If you go to SCAD and drop out.. good luck having your classes transfer or get accepted to another university. I have taken a years worth of classes at a graduate level... looking at another University and I am finding that the classes I have taken are not going to cross over well. So..


    Yeh, there you have it. If anyone has any questions they should make this the official thread for SCAD info. I am being as honest as possible about the place. I am sure there are some people out there who wouldn't have any issues with this place. There are people who love it! But they probably were abused at a young age and are completely numb to pain.

    SCAD is not a great environment. Go to a State University where school policies are regulated and out in the open.

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    But do graduates produce good work?

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    Graduate students should have good work anywhere you go.

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    But do they?

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    Be more specific? What concentration? You are being very general in your question. Overall from what I have seen it is no different than any other University in quality of Graduate work. It's a matter of taste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarJelly View Post
    1) Get ready to never sleep: seriously... you will not sleep. If you do sleep then you are probably going to fail or get poor grades. It's like some strange right of passage and not very healthy in general. People are sleeping on couches all over the school. It's really creepy actually.

    2) Get used to seeing people cry everyday. There are a lot of kids either fighting with security guards or crying because they never sleep and they are emotionally drained. This is not exaggerated. It's really depressing.
    welcome to art school kid. this happens everywhere, people bitching how they have no life outside art school pulling all nighters every week and people crying cuz they can't finish up work, i go to art center and see the same things on most of the student there complaining about too much work; bullshit, that only happens if you don't have the skills, dedication and goo time management skills.
    i have had no all nighters so far i sleep around 8 to 9 hours every night and barely do much work on the weekend so it's pretty much free time, why? cuz i manage my time wisely and have the skills to pull it off, so while i see others kids suffer from insomnia and walk around happily and fresh.

    now about the rest of your stuff about scad i don't know but i have heard a few things about it and they are not good.

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    Yeah, same where I went.
    Get up at 8, study till 6 or 8. Then night classes till 9.30 and then more work till 11.
    Weekends were milder with only 8 hours.
    But this was my routine for the entire 3 years of the bachelor degree.

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    Yeh, i don't agree with this at all. I have a BFA in Fine Art and years worth of graduate level classes. I am 36.. I'm not a kid. I have been around the block enough to know when something is not kosher. I have a good gpa and in all honesty the school screwed me over on my loans so I am stuck with $50 g's in debt and half of a Masters degree I cannot finish. Now they are sticking me with a $500 dollar housing deposit I payed for before I found out they screwed my loans up LOL.

    I see your argument a lot.... People flip the argument on the student. That's pretty shallow and elitist. Sounds just like the professors that teach at SCAD actually. Time management skills have nothing to do with getting ripped off in loans and fees. I make good work and manage my time well. These for profit school are not all that they make themselves out to be. That's why many of them have such a hard time with getting accredited. These places are nothing more than a death star pumping out stormtroopers.

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    I had no lack of sleep. Point is, it requires that much effort to get there. If it was a 5 or 8 year degree, sure there'd be a more leasurely approach. But they have 3 years for the foundation and 2 years for specialisation. Hardly enough time.

    But then again, I didn't have the downsides of getting ripped off financially(except for angel acad), since we live in a socialized country. So my bach degree cost me 1500 euro.

    And show some of this good work that you make please. Open a sketchbook or link a site.

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    I will as soon as I get my $500 housing deposit back in my bank account. Promise... I don't SUCK or anything.

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    Not saying you do, but if you're this good, why not just get a job instead if going to a school you don't agree with?

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    Because I wanted an MFA so I could teach and get benefits and put braces on my 10 year old son.

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    If it's only for the teaching job, why not choose a cheap community college?
    I'm sure teaching positions also judge by portfolio, not name of school.
    So if you're good enough, it should be no problem, right?

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    Seems sufficient for getting jobs.
    Scad seems to hire working professionals, so why not get out, get jobs and become the professional they'd hire instead of trying to get a piece of paper that won't help you get better at art?

    Again, community college mfa.

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    sorry starjelly, my comment wasn't to flip you off or anything and i get it your argument, like i said before i just don't agree with your first and second point cuz that is common in art schools, but with the rest i have also heard a few bad things about scad.
    also sorry about calling you a kid, it's a bad habit of mine.

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    The downside to hiring working professionals is that they don't have enough time to teach. For instance, some of the professors there work for Marvel... Which is pretty rad. But the consequence to this is that students come second. If a student is paying $120 g's to go to school then they should have priority. I don't think it takes an ethics major to figure this one out.

    and just to strengthen my point. I am not one of those ticked off kids who get shocked when they can't cut it. I have seen these types of threads when I researched SCAD. SCAD is all over that Rip Off Report website. I recommend any art student look up the school they are wanting to go to on that website before they go. Art students will put as much time as needed into their work no matter what concentration.

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    In a perfect world, yes.
    This ain't.

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    It could be.

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    StarJelly, thanks for taking the time to share your experiences!

    I don't really get why people are giving you a hard time about it--don't feel like you have to validate yourself for them because everybody's entitled to an opinion. Lots of people write positive reviews of schools and nobody wants to pick them apart for it, so you should be entitled to write a negative one without people acting like that's unacceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarJelly View Post
    I have made a couple serious mistakes in my life but none of them compare to the mistake I made when choosing to go to SCAD Atlanta for my Masters Degree. I am opening this thread in hopes of thwarting anyone from going to SCAD. Especially, if you don't have a rich mom and dad to cover the bill. I should have known better from the start. I researched a lot about the school before I went. I heard a lot of negative things about the school. Yet, for some reason, I had thought that all of the negativity was from people who had mediocre art skills and wanted to bitch about getting bad grades. Here's a couple things to consider before choosing this school. This information is not out of spite, as much as it is out of people needing to prepare themselves if going to this institution.

    1) Get ready to never sleep: seriously... you will not sleep. If you do sleep then you are probably going to fail or get poor grades. It's like some strange right of passage and not very healthy in general. People are sleeping on couches all over the school. It's really creepy actually.

    2) Get used to seeing people cry everyday. There are a lot of kids either fighting with security guards or crying because they never sleep and they are emotionally drained. This is not exaggerated. It's really depressing.

    3)Faculty are busy professionals they have no time for your problems or too many questions. I have heard this multiple times, "Don't email me" or "I am on a deadline!! I'll get to it later". I have 5 friends who are professors. They always have time for their students. They even give out their personal numbers.

    4)When Sherry Wallace is in town SCAD shuts down. Sherry Wallace is the woman who owns SCAD. There are times when the accreditation people will come through the school. This means the owner comes to the school to show her face. This in return means that everything begins to suck and faculty start acting in a totally different way.

    5)Don't fall for the coolness factor of the school. The school is crammed with a lot of really shallow people. It's like a really bad reality t.v. show in retrospect. Turn the channel.

    6)The administration absolutely sucks on so many levels. If you have a problem be prepared to get passed around to so many different people that you will eventually give up. They administration also has a lot of bad attitude. I get the feeling most of them hate their jobs. The tone of their voices is great when you begin school! But when you finally get in the system and something goes wrong or you owe them money things change. My number one complaint about this school is the Bursar and registration. Holy crap... It is murder dealing with these people.

    7)Cafeteria food is NASTY. In Atlanta there are 2 different dorms. ACA and Spring House. If you live in Spring House then you are forced to buy a meal plan. On the website is states you can have a mini fridge and microwave in the room. So why force you to have a meal plan? An overpriced meal plan. The food is nasty and it gets old really fast. You do not need a meal plan for the ACA house.. but it is 1000 bux more to live there so it evens out to Spring House.

    8) No parking at ACA house. The dorm is located on a busy street in downtown Atlanta. If you park your car to unload your belongings to your room the cops give you tickets. There is a city run parking garage across the street and it costs like 180 bucks for 3 months or something.

    9) If you go to SCAD and drop out.. good luck having your classes transfer or get accepted to another university. I have taken a years worth of classes at a graduate level... looking at another University and I am finding that the classes I have taken are not going to cross over well. So..


    Yeh, there you have it. If anyone has any questions they should make this the official thread for SCAD info. I am being as honest as possible about the place. I am sure there are some people out there who wouldn't have any issues with this place. There are people who love it! But they probably were abused at a young age and are completely numb to pain.

    SCAD is not a great environment. Go to a State University where school policies are regulated and out in the open.


    I think you should change the title. You're giving the entire school a bad name, which you are certainly allowed to voice your own opinion, but there are also campuses in Savannah, Lacoste(France), Hong Kong, and online. You are basing this entire thread on your experience at the Atlanta campus.

    I attend the Savannah campus, and I am not having half the trouble you are. Yes, it costs a lot, but there is nothing we can do about it. If you aren't willing to pay back a lot of loans, then don't bother attending the college. The price is easily visible on the website, or you can call and find out yourself. The price doesn't just appear out of nowhere.

    Here are my responses in order to yours:

    1) Yes, even at the Savannah campus, we didn't sleep a lot. Midterm and finals week were the worse, but a lot of us didn't really plan out anything. We'd bullshit around, then stay up all night and finish work. I've never had any trouble finishing grade- B or higher work(except when it came to the general ed classes). I have friends that maybe pulled 1 or 2 all-nighters and still had time to do work, hang out, eat, and do things around town. It all comes down to how you set up your schedule.

    2) Uhh, I've never really seen anyone cry over security guards or something stupid. Yes, a few people did get mad when they couldn't get to class on time, but when you have a week to walk 10 minutes down the street to get a sticker to distinguish what quarter you're in, it's not SCAD's fault. Perhaps the people you saw were just p***ies and couldn't handle going to an art school.

    3) Never had this problem either. I have had a few professors that don't check their emails often, but the majority of the work was self-explanatory and I saw my professors every other day. It's art...

    4) I don't really know what to say to this, because nothing like it has every happened. The people that work in the office make Wallace seem like some god or something, which is fine by me because I've never even seen her or heard anything about her- except a few rumors here and there.

    5) Again, I don't see that in Savannah. My professors have been nothing but amazing, with quite a few of them being the best teachers I've ever had-personality and knowledge wise. The variety of students makes living in Savannah worthwhile as well.

    6) And, of course, I've never had this problem either. I've visited the Bursar's office and the Registrar many times with what they would consider simple tasks that probably don't need to be done right away, but they've helped me instantly and even did 90% of the stuff for me. I've only had to wait once and that was less than 10 minutes. I've also visited/emailed my advisors, who helped me with my schedule and even made schedules to follow to make sure I don't get a work load that I might not be able to handle.

    7) I will agree with you on this. The SCAD food is not the best and is certainly over-priced, as well as housing, but that's why they allow off-campus. I enjoyed my dorm experience and I'd do it again, but if I have the chance to save money, I will.

    8) I haven't had trouble with parking... since I didn't take my car. The only problems I've seen were how there wasn't parking for freshmen and a few of the buildings don't have parking lots. There's a SCAD bus that is included in the tuition(or in something that you can't really get out of paying) and I'd rather ride that anyways... or bike. They're constantly updating the bus schedules and new ones are created all the time.

    9) I haven't reached graduate level, so I don't have anything to say about this.


    I know people have different opinions and I'm sure some people may feel the same way you do about the Atlanta campus with the Savannah campus, but the fact that you are grouping the entire school with your poor experience is just ridiculous.

    If anyone is interested in SCAD, don't take this thread seriously. You'll find a lot of shit like this around the internet about SCAD. If you read a bunch of negative reviews and still go the school and hate it, that's your fault. Take a tour or go to "Summer Swarm".

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    I agree with xbrianx; the Savannah campus is a world apart from the Atlanta campus. In fact, the Atlanta campus didn't even exist until my sophomore year at SCAD Savannah. I can't contest any of your points since I didn't attend SCAD ATL, but don't drag down the whole school because of a bad experience at one campus.

    I will say, though, that cafeteria food sucking is pretty much a staple of college life. And the not getting any sleep thing has less to with people working themselves to the bone and more to do with people dicking around until they realize that "Oh crap, I have twelve illustrations to complete by tomorrow. I'd better get on that."

    Unless they're in animation. Animation kids stave off sleep with a steady diet of Red Bull, corn chips and adderall so that they can squeeze out every precious second of work time possible in a day.

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    Lots of students I have met transferred from the Savannah campus. Mainly because I have heard that the crime in Savannah is off the charts. The professors I had at the Atlanta campus used to talk poorly of the professors at the Savannah campus. I had taken a couple online courses from professors at the Savannah campus and upon hearing this, two separate professors at the Atlanta campus (in my concentration) told me that what they taught me was "wrong".

    As far as not comparing Atlanta campus to all other campuses go...

    One bad apple CAN spoil the whole bunch. It is SCAD's responsibility to maintain a level of solidarity between campuses. It's like having 5 different children, all with different personalities, sharing the same last name.

    Anyways, people can figure it out for themselves. My advice is for people to go to a State University. They have better policies and standards in general. I have been to both a "for profit" and State University at this point in my academic career. Just giving advice to anyone who is on the fence about choosing a school for artistic study.

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    Don't mean to sound rude or anything StarJelly, as I have also had my bad experiences atmy former college (now I'm paying for it...and yes, some of it was my fault).

    Anyway, perhaps you should take a look at this:

    http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=102315

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarJelly View Post
    Lots of students I have met transferred from the Savannah campus. Mainly because I have heard that the crime in Savannah is off the charts. The professors I had at the Atlanta campus used to talk poorly of the professors at the Savannah campus. I had taken a couple online courses from professors at the Savannah campus and upon hearing this, two separate professors at the Atlanta campus (in my concentration) told me that what they taught me was "wrong".
    That first statement is a little over-exaggerated. I'm not blaming it on you, but it certainly is blown out of proportion. Savannah, as a realtor put it, is just like any other city- one corner could be the safest, richest part of town, and the other could be a place you certainly don't want to walk through alone at night. I've taken many bike rides at 3am through the "danger-zones" of Savannah and haven't heard a thing. Just like any other area, the scenery changes from day to night. River Street, one of the most popular areas in Savannah is full of tourists and families during the day, but at night, it's a whole other story with the shady type and drunks.

    I believe the teacher thing may be plausible, but that's because SCAD-Savannah(I'm assuming the others as well) doesn't hire professors on a yearly basis. They don't do contracts or anything like that, it's per quarter, so professors come and go every couple of weeks. There's a really good website called ratemyprofessor.com that has a lot of SCAD professors and they are usually somewhat accurate. I had one professor(Speech class- but it was fun as hell cause she liked to make fun of people in a ghetto voice. Ghetto voice in a speech class.) that had already taught at Harvard and those other high-dollar non-art schools and my girlfriend had a Computer Art professor that had done many motion-media designs and graphic designs for major companies.

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    Oh, boy. Where do I START on this thread? Hahaha... I want be as fair and logical as possible with my response. Mostly fair and polite.

    I believe that the OP is definitely entitled to his opinion, and should have the right to give a negative review about a school he is very displeased with. You did not have a good experience, and it's actually a good thing that he is sharing that; there might be some people considering going to SCAD'S ATL campus who would like to read that sort of information. Back when I was looking at colleges, I even read negative reviews, not only positive ones. Before I visited the school for myself (or for those who just cannot afford/have the time to visit the school), it was the only feedback and impressions I was going to find. In the end, I chose SCAD regardless of the fact that there was as many negative reviews as there were positive ones (if not more). Savannah's a great town. I enjoy it very much. But that's just MY opinion...

    But I agree with several posters above that you're going about some of it in a very over exaggerated way. Just because YOU had a bad experience at ATL's campus, or just because people told you what THEY heard/experienced about SAV's campus, that doesn't make the WHOLE school instantly bad; let alone does that make it bad for everyone. Not everyone thinks the same, not everyone has the same views or opinions. This is basic information about the way the world works. Just because YOU are allergic to chocolate, that doesn't mean the ENTIRE WORLD is allergic to chocolate. We understand you're upset. We understand that you've heard bad things. But until you've been there yourself or until you can somehow prove that anyone else will have just as miserable of a time as you, you shouldn't blow things out of proportion like that.

    A LOT of what you posted happens at every art school. Heck, you find that kind of stuff in EVERY college, regardless of how great it is, where it's located, how much it costs, who teaches there, or what majors it has. Professors will have their own opinions and ideas on EVERYTHING. You will always hear about one prof saying another prof is "wrong" or "misguided" or whatever. Stuff like that even happens in public elementary school systems. It's how people are. That's life. Research your profs beforehand, and pick the ones that are good for YOU. Not the ones that are good because some other prof said so. Sometimes even a prof that's recommended to you by a prof you loved isn't the best choice for you. I had a Drawing class in winter quarter with a prof I really liked because he was sweet, graded VERY fairly, and his teaching method was preferable/tolerable. But I didn't take any of the people he suggested to us. And it's a good thing I didn't; I ended up getting one of THE best possible teachers you could have for Life Drawing the following quarter. My skills improved immensely. It made up for me not being able to take John Rise (the best Drawing teacher at SCAD-SAV; period). And I was lucky, too; that was his final year there, as he was hired to become the director of a Drawing program at a India branch of an art school in Virginia. His salary is going to be quadruple what it was at SCAD. He was a great man (Jesse Payne). But, I digress.

    In regards to your thread, sir, you should've just posted this saying that it was your own personal opinion on SCAD. Don't tell others not to go there. Because no matter how much you hate something, there are actually people out there who WILL enjoy it. (Ex: I think the show Jackass is retarded and not relatively funny in any manner whatsoever. That doesn't mean EVERYONE hates Jackass. Some people LOVE it and think it's the funniest thing since the dawn of time. Not everyone likes what you like.)

    A mature and good-intentioned person would try to find positives in a thing that they dislike, and point those things out as recommendations for a person who might actually like them. For example, Atlanta is a great city. You could've said something like, "I know that some people are very concerned about location, and even though I disliked the school, perhaps another person will enjoy it due to its setting." Not everyone likes Atlanta, but some people LOVE Atlanta, and would go to SCAD just for the city alone. Or maybe they already live in/near Atlanta, and can't afford to go/don't want to go too far. I'm just using that as an example, of course.

    Sorry if that was long-winded. You have valid points for feeling the way you do, but don't ruin it for others. Quite frankly, most people don't want to read something that sounds that biased and it makes you appear rude and condescending. Rephrase your wording into something that is more user-friendly, and people will be more willing to heed your warnings.

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    I am a Junior at SCAD-Atlanta and absolutely love it. Here are some brief responses to your points.

    1) This is true. The students at the school say that SCAD stands for Sleep Comes After Death. I actually like this though. A rigorous program that would stretch and challenge me was exactly what I was looking for from the school, and it is what I have gotten.

    2) Hahaha I don't think I have ever seen anyone get in a fight with security. Occasionally I will see someone crying during the stress of finals week, but even that is pretty rare. Maybe I just hang out with the wrong people, I don't know.

    3) I have never ever had trouble contacting a professor during the school year. They have always been very quick and helpful in their responses to emails and usually will give their personal phone numbers out as well... though I have never tried actually calling because email has never been a problem. The only trouble I have ever had was trying to contact teacher when school was not in session. Because of vacations and such they are not always available, which is understandable.
    This is the point of yours that upset me the most, because I feel like I have really formed a personal relationship with the professors in my department, and feel that they go out of their way to help me to grow and learn.

    4) Do you mean Paula Wallace? Anyway, people do act differently when she is around, but it is only on the surface. Things like "be sure not to bring food into the classrooms" and other small things like that. It does not affect the teaching itself at all.

    5) Oh man, I wish I could find a school in which every student was awesome and no one was shallow ever. That would be great. Unfortunately... such a school does not exist.

    6) I would definitely say that the administration is probably the most frustrating part of the school. However, I would suspect that most students at most schools would say the same, and even though it is the "most frustrating part" it's really not that bad. The original advisor that I had, though incredibly nice and sweet, was not very helpful. I switched and now see a different advisor though who is absolutely amazing, and very good at getting things done. The bursars office can come of as a little rude at times, but they sure know how to answer your questions (at least mine)

    7) Haha yeah, the food sucks. Welcome to college.

    8) I live at ACA and have never paid for the parking deck. There is a shuttle system that runs from the dorms to the school. The school is also within walking distance from the dorm. I know people who have shared a parking pass as well (one parks at the school and the other by the dorm)

    9) I wouldn't know about this. I know that I had no trouble transferring in classes, but I can't speak for transferring out.

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    I always find it amusing that art school students think they are working a lot.

    Just you wait...juuuuussst you wait.

    Those pieces you are getting a week...or two weeks to do. Well those are now three to six hours. And those that you spend a month on...well those are three days.

    120k is far too much for any art college to be charging. That does not include dorms or expenses or books or supplies or.... and that is a fact. Art student jobs are starting in the range of 35-50k a year and with a 1k a month student loan debt good luck living in cali or nyc on that money. Indentured servitude for all who sign up. mmmmm...their favorite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Manley View Post
    I always find it amusing that art school students think they are working a lot.

    Just you wait...juuuuussst you wait.

    Those pieces you are getting a week...or two weeks to do. Well those are now three to six hours. And those that you spend a month on...well those are three days.
    You do have the rather large advantage of being more experienced, and thus faster. I can't speak for either SCAD or concept art, but I do know that animation students at my school put in more hours of work per week than our teacher from Pixar do.

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    One hundred and twenty thousand dollars. I have no idea how any American affords to go to university.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glasses View Post
    One hundred and twenty thousand dollars. I have no idea how any American affords to go to university.
    At many (though not all schools) only the rich and untalented pay anywhere close to full price. Both need and merit based scholarships are relatively common.

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