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    I've had this same problem come up a number of times, especially when I was an undergrad. It used to give me pause too, until one of my wiser profs said this to me after a particularly embarrassing gaff:

    'Don't worry about mispronouncing the names - That's a good thing. It tells me that you've actually read something, and you're not just regurgitating what some other person said to you in passing."

    I still like Mu-tcha and Dee-la-croyx, quite a lot


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    'Don't worry about mispronouncing the names - That's a good thing. It tells me that you've actually read something, and you're not just regurgitating what some other person said to you in passing."
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    LOL, thanks for the pronunciations, guys!
    Some of those names are really mind-boggling. I went to the link given by Baron and the lady pronounced "Ingres" as something that sounds like "Anger-hor". LOL I'll pronounced the name as "Anger" from now.

    Van Gogh, I usually hear people here in my country say it as "Van Hock".

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    William Bouguereau always throws me off balance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Man View Post
    William Bouguereau always throws me off balance.
    I thought I was being all fancy pantsy when I pronounced it with a nice soft frenchie j, (jeu, jolie, jeune etc) but it turns out it's a hard g. So as far as I can tell;

    BOO-grow (or if you want to be more french about it, BOO-ger-oh)

    With most of the r's in here remember too that there's a slight rolling of it, so it shouldn't sound like
    booger-OH! more like bou gdr oh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasonwclark View Post
    I've had this same problem come up a number of times, especially when I was an undergrad. It used to give me pause too, until one of my wiser profs said this to me after a particularly embarrassing gaff:

    'Don't worry about mispronouncing the names - That's a good thing. It tells me that you've actually read something, and you're not just regurgitating what some other person said to you in passing."

    I still like Mu-tcha and Dee-la-croyx, quite a lot
    I don't follow that logic at all. When you mispronounce something then you mispronounce something, not a deal-breaker. But it's really awkward thinking if that actually leads someone to believe you went out of your way to do your research as opposed to someone who did announce it properly, in fact, one could probably argue the opposite.
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    I'm fairly sure it was just meant to be reassuring, not a logical argument.

    I still pronounce names like Moreau and Bouguereau incorrectly... mainly because that final eau is a lot more subtle in French than the English 'oh' that I usually tack on. Germans and Greeks sometimes give me problems too, and the issue of when to anglicize and when to attempt the original sounds.

    I remember it took me a long time to figure out that Goethe and Goethe where the same guy

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    I think MidgardSerpent is implying, what about the people who've read, and went to great lengths to find out how to pronounce a name properly (i.e. like the person who made the thread), would they be thought of as someone who just heard it somewhere rather than did some research?

    I can see your teacher's intent; that the pronunciation is not what is important, but at the same time, it feels like he's insulted those who do care about pronunciation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasonwclark View Post
    I'm fairly sure it was just meant to be reassuring, not a logical argument.
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    People = me. Very subtle, but I caught it nonetheless.


    Never mind, I can see now I was taking that a bit too straight forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatum View Post
    That's tricky, the man pronouncing it is clearly Dutch (I live in Holland), but the soundfile is cut too short, it's cut off right at the moment when he's about to say the hard "gh" part, which is actually what most of the accent is on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TASmith View Post
    Ingres is just Ang.

    As for saying Van Gogh, when I first went to Holland, I asked a native speaker how to pronounce it, and he just said, "Van gglch....." Like Gollum clearing his throat. So far as I'm concerned, you can just call him Van Gollum.
    And his paintings are precioussss.... ;-)

    In Dutch, you often get "van" or "van der" in surnames; it means nothing more elevated than "from" or "of." It is pronounced pretty much like the English word "fun", as in having some fun with weird pronunciations.

    The Dutch G is almost invariably pronounced gutturally, pretty much like the "ch" in Loch Ness. Apparently many English speakers struggle to pronounce it? Not sure. I do not know of any who struggle to pronounce "Loch Ness."

    As for Rembrandt, it is pronounced more or less "Rembrunt fun rain." The Dutch "ij" is about (though not precisely) the same sound as the "ai" in "rain."

    Now my own surname, Van der Spuy, is quite thoroughly unpronounceable for English speakers because the "uy" sound does not occur in English. Which is why I sign all my amateurish daubings with my first name, just like Vincent did. :-)

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    I always pronounced "Bouguereau" as "Boh-gur-reel" and "Barque" as "Bar-key". LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by brianvds View Post
    Now my own surname, Van der Spuy, is quite thoroughly unpronounceable for English speakers because the "uy" sound does not occur in English. Which is why I sign all my amateurish daubings with my first name, just like Vincent did. :-)
    Spuy is pronounced as "Spoo-yee"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeon_OND View Post
    Spuy is pronounced as "Spoo-yee"?
    Something like that, but not quite entirely. :-)

    Not that it will matter until such time as I am famous and represented in the world's major art museums. ;-)

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