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    I know its kinda old, but I'm sure there are some people who have no seen this before.

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    our police system is corrupt!? wait, what country are you in!?

    In all seriousness,thats very bad. Kinda hard to watch. You could definately hear the horror in her voice and what they did was beyond i think what they are or should be allowed to do. It sucks too cause the people who did it are probably protected by the law. What ever happened to the people involved?
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    How many police Brutality threads do we need.
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    I find this a bit biased against the police, and not informative enough about the woman. The video is not that hard to watch, you can see these kinds of clips on COPS, a tv show, all the time. And from what I'm seeing, those cops are acting professionally like any other cop would (or ought to) when someone is not being cooperative, regardless of their race, or social class.

    I feel some remorse for her, but I'm empathetic to cops who can't take any situation lightly, who knows what could have happened. A dangerous criminal can be anybody, even a blonde woman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtZealot View Post
    our police system is corrupt!? wait, what country are you in!?
    The US. Try some other countries for corruption. Much Worse.

    That said, I don't want to be a cop: all people do is bitch about them being corrupt, then when they need help they bitch about needing a cop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zwarrior View Post
    I find this a bit biased against the police, and not informative enough about the woman.
    Do yourself a favor and read the Wikipedia entry on this Sheriff's Department...it's quite alarming. Here's the most jaw-dropping example of their peculiar obsession with strip searching women (not necessarily prisoners...and not necessarily women):

    A lawsuit was filed alleging that in May 2007, three teenage girls aged 14, 15 and 16 who were ordered by court to take a 15 minute cautionary tour of county jail were forced to participate in a strip search by guards including squatting and lifting their breasts while naked and experienced physical assault as well as verbal sexual harassment from the two male and one female guards.
    I've had this longstanding impression that any sort of strip search of a female prisoner was always undertaken by female guards or deputies...having men do it to a set of girls in a "Scared Straight" exercise is beyond the pale.

    I'm also at a loss as to why Hope Steffey (the woman in the video) wasn't simply escorted to a local mental health center if her state of mind was questionable...they're considerably better qualified to handle such a situation. In any case, as near as I can tell from the legalese, it appears she settled out of court in 2009 for an undisclosed amount.

    Yeah, a cop's job is never easy, and frequently thankless, but c'mon...this is freaking Ohio. With 128 similar strip-searches in an eight year period, this county either has a serious problem with crazy women, or this Sheriff's Department has some major procedural issues. Or worse.
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    This is going on at the G20, too.


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    I don't think this is a case of corruption. The problem is the nonchalant everyday police brutality that is routinely implemented. Some how the police were trained to think she was hiding a bazooka in her snatch(excuse my language) This crap happens every day. This was just the only one that could get the medias attention.

    Arshes- Just because corruption is far worse in any other countries doesn't mean the police here are doing a great job. You don't grade this kind of shit on a curve. I'm much more afraid of the police than any gang in my neighborhood and there are plenty of gangs in my neighborhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoul Duke View Post
    Arshes- Just because corruption is far worse in any other countries doesn't mean the police here are doing a great job. You don't grade this kind of shit on a curve. I'm much more afraid of the police than any gang in my neighborhood and there are plenty of gangs in my neighborhood.
    That's not my point. I am fully aware of problems, like any other place. I'm just tired of the lowball "Oh who knew" bs type of responses. The police are doing a better job than other places and while we have a right to complain and rightfully so with the person featured in the OP's video, we shouldn't just cast every cop with that kind of nonsense.

    I live in a bad neighborhood too. I still know how to deal with the cops better than the filth that run about here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    ...we shouldn't just cast every cop with that kind of nonsense.
    I'd agree with you, but I read the news and I see a disturbing trend of these rapists and roid-raging maniacs getting 6 weeks paid leave and a lukewarm reprimand. If cops don't want to be stereotyped as corrupt, they need to crack down on this shit brutally. And I don't see that happening in the majority of these cases, which are not rare.

    Police have a position of power and authority; they need to be held to the highest possible standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    The US. Try some other countries for corruption. Much Worse.

    That said, I don't want to be a cop: all people do is bitch about them being corrupt, then when they need help they bitch about needing a cop.
    Adding to Arshes Nei:

    Being a police officer is pretty tough when you get shit like this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm1PE...eature=related
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    That's not my point. I am fully aware of problems, like any other place. I'm just tired of the lowball "Oh who knew" bs type of responses. The police are doing a better job than other places and while we have a right to complain and rightfully so with the person featured in the OP's video, we shouldn't just cast every cop with that kind of nonsense.

    I live in a bad neighborhood too. I still know how to deal with the cops better than the filth that run about here.
    My problem isn't just police it's the procedural brutality. The police don't even attempt to solve crimes anymore. Their strategy is just to lock as many people up hoping one of them did something to deserve it.

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    speaking of Flashbacks That happened about 10 years ago. I doubt any of them were hiding bazookas in their vaginas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoul Duke View Post
    My problem isn't just police it's the procedural brutality. The police don't even attempt to solve crimes anymore. Their strategy is just to lock as many people up hoping one of them did something to deserve it.
    Some don't, but many do. Meaning your generalization is just that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcpahl View Post
    I'd agree with you, but I read the news and I see a disturbing trend of these rapists and roid-raging maniacs getting 6 weeks paid leave and a lukewarm reprimand. If cops don't want to be stereotyped as corrupt, they need to crack down on this shit brutally. And I don't see that happening in the majority of these cases, which are not rare.

    Police have a position of power and authority; they need to be held to the highest possible standard.
    Disturbing trend or more exposure to the salacious? http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb...on21-2010feb21

    If I remember correctly there was a recent case about not being able to prosecute some wardens for sexual molestation of juveniles because some idiots wrote into law they were free from prosecution within a certain statute, or rather they couldn't be fired.

    Like I said, I'm aware of the issues, just like government corruption and so forth, I just prefer a case by case approach. For example many people who complain about police brutality when they ignore a cop's orders and continue to be disruptive.

    Police do have to be held to a standard, but remember other factors go into it, being respected, long hours, pay etc. They're still human beings. So yeah, I still don't want to be a cop if all there is happens to be bitching and negativity. Then again I'm quite sure there may be for the ones who aren't corrupt and it's just that we have the ones that get the press because no one really covers a "nice cop" story unless it's at the end of the news as a blurb for a Human Interest piece :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flashback View Post
    Adding to Arshes Nei:

    Being a police officer is pretty tough when you get shit like this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm1PE...eature=related
    yea that might be true once in a while, that doesn't mean thing like that happens everyday. Not ever petty criminal as automatic Ak 47s w/ body armor lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    Disturbing trend or more exposure to the salacious? http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb...on21-2010feb21
    I hadn't even heard about that one. At least these went to prison, though I think their sentences were way too lenient.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    For example many people who complain about police brutality when they ignore a cop's orders and continue to be disruptive.
    True.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    Police do have to be held to a standard, but remember other factors go into it, being respected, long hours, pay etc. They're still human beings.
    That's true, but it only goes so far. If someone can't take long hours and stress without raping a female prisoner or beating and tazering a handcuffed detainee to death, they need to find a different job. I think a lot of cops are good people, but I don't think it can be denied that the nature of the job attracts bullies and people who enjoy power.

    I'm not hating on police, it's just that stories like those above and things like this make me really nervous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcpahl View Post
    That's true, but it only goes so far. If someone can't take long hours and stress without raping a female prisoner or beating and tazering a handcuffed detainee to death, they need to find a different job. .
    I think you just missed Arshes Nei's point. If we got rid of all the cops who couldn't handle stress we wouldn't have very many cops. (I'm not saying that it's alright to rape prisoners btw)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcpahl View Post
    And this always makes me think of what Chris Rock says: According to police, Walsh, working in a patrol car, saw several people jaywalking on Martin Luther King Jr. Way South, just south of Rainier Avenue South, despite a nearby pedestrian overpass.

    I personally don't feel sorry for the 17 year old, she had no right to interfere and grab a cop trying to deal with the other person.


    That's true, but it only goes so far. If someone can't take long hours and stress without raping a female prisoner or beating and tazering a handcuffed detainee to death, they need to find a different job. I think a lot of cops are good people, but I don't think it can be denied that the nature of the job attracts bullies and people who enjoy power.

    I'm not hating on police, it's just that stories like those above and things like this make me really nervous.
    I'm not totally nervous though. Like I said this day and age we get a lot more information than we probably did decades ago. I can imagine how it impacts our psyche looking at news filled with tons of salacious headlines. I'm quite sure the same stuff going on over 50 years ago is going on now. I don't think there's this huge increase. Of course the stuff going on over 50 years ago, as a minority, we certainly didn't have our civil rights.

    I think we should be happy it gets reported now or it's more watchdogged than it was before. I don't think we should be thinking "oh god corrupted cops is on an upswing!"

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    In the Texas if a police officer is caught (forcing) coercing a person to do something that can be classified as sexual or of that nature it is considered RAPE according to the law, and officers who are prosecuted can get up to life in prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alinn View Post
    I think you just missed Arshes Nei's point. If we got rid of all the cops who couldn't handle stress we wouldn't have very many cops. (I'm not saying that it's alright to rape prisoners btw)
    No, I got the point. I'm saying that cops who can't handle the stress need to find different jobs; if that means less police, so be it. Better less police than PTSD wackos with guns killing people because they can't cope with the demands of their job.

    Edit: Also, if this doesn't scare you, I don't even know. Between that and arresting people for filming police with cell phone cameras, I think an attitude of "we have to take the bad with the good because without them we won't have enough" is highly dangerous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcpahl View Post
    No, I got the point. I'm saying that cops who can't handle the stress need to find different jobs; if that means less police, so be it. Better less police than PTSD wackos with guns killing people because they can't cope with the demands of their job.
    My point was that we need many police officers, and there's not one who can handle the stress all the time. You're also highly exaggerating when you say that an officer with ptsd starts randomly killing people. I've never even heard of that.

    Quote Originally Posted by jcpahl View Post
    I think an attitude of "we have to take the bad with the good because without them we won't have enough" is highly dangerous.
    What you're asking for is impossible, there's no such thing as batman. There's no such thing as perfect police force. What you're asking is for someone who can take this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXem0mACyAU and not be a little effed in the noggin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    your generalization is just that.
    You are correct to generalize my generalizations. I have never had a cop solve a crime for me. I only get hassled in return. Yes I meant it when I said stuff like that video happen every day all day. Strip searches are standard procedure if they are taking you in. On the upside it does keep me away from crime. On the downside it turns trouble makers into sociopaths. Being pinned down and getting a finger jammed up your butt sounds pretty close to rape to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alinn View Post
    You're also highly exaggerating when you say that an officer with ptsd starts randomly killing people. I've never even heard of that.
    Really, you've never heard of a cop shooting someone wrongfully. Ok, I guess I must be exaggerating; excuse me. Here are some other examples of cops not handling themselves well.


    Cops tase 12 year old kid


    Cops push man down stairs, leave him there. He dies.

    Cops tackle pregnant woman at hospital

    Cops taser unconscious diabetic 11 times

    Search any news aggregator for "cop" and you can find a few thousand more similar stories.

    If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Being a police officer is a big responsibility; if someone can't handle that responsibility without raping a female prisoner or electrocuting an unconscious diabetic, they really shouldn't be parading around with a badge and a gun. I'm just sayin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcpahl View Post
    Really, you've never heard of a cop shooting someone wrongfully. Ok, I guess I must be exaggerating; excuse me. Here are some other examples of cops not handling themselves well.


    Cops tase 12 year old kid


    Cops push man down stairs, leave him there. He dies.

    Cops tackle pregnant woman at hospital

    Cops taser unconscious diabetic 11 times

    Search any news aggregator for "cop" and you can find a few thousand more similar stories.
    Uh, ok. Great point. Now where does it say the police officers intentionally and wrongfully killed someone?

    And I totally agree with you on the last part, not sure where you think I disagreed.

    Edit: Also, I'm not sure what's up with you're degrading tone, don't let it get personal.
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    I'm a bad person when I read "Cops tackle pregnant women at hospital" I laughed out Loud.....
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    Hey, here's one that was just reported today!

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/1...asered_grandma

    OKLAHOMA CITY - An 87-year-old grandmother subdued by police with a stun gun while she was lying in bed hooked up to an oxygen machine is suing her Oklahoma hometown.

    Well, cops are only human, after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    That said, I don't want to be a cop: all people do is bitch about them being corrupt, then when they need help they bitch about needing a cop.
    /thread really

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcpahl View Post
    Hey, here's one that was just reported today!

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/1...asered_grandma

    OKLAHOMA CITY - An 87-year-old grandmother subdued by police with a stun gun while she was lying in bed hooked up to an oxygen machine is suing her Oklahoma hometown.
    I excuse that one solely because it was probably for teh lulz.

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