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    You guys rock, really! |D


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    Alright, this is for Reedux

    I thought the overall composition was really nice, and you got really nice shapes too!
    The two things that I mainly tried to improve were the lighting situation and the depth of the image... tried, mind you Lighting situations are something that can really help you divide your painting into spaces, for example, if the foreground is distinctly lit differently from the background it will obviously pop out. It also can add to the story. It's kind of a stretch but I thought this dramatic top lighting for the foreground would work better, it puts more emphasis on the characters playing chess (maybe too much) and brings out the forms with that strong bounce light, to also make it pop more from the background. Notice it's also way warmer, and way more contrasty than the background. Warm always comes to the front, and contrasty too. You can use this to your advantage, so maybe you could just spend some time learning about different kinds of contrast and how to control them, it will help your stuff a lot!

    About depth, basically all it is is overlapping shapes. Yours were already really nice so I just hitned at some more flowers that are just silhouettes, pretty much like fully rendered form, but with zero contrast, which sounds stupid (reality always renders everything, but it might appear different), but it's true I tried to make the big flower sort of a middle ground, it's lit from below by the bounce light from the foreground, but it's low contrast like the background.

    Still not sure if it's any better though, but maybe it will help to illustrate some principles... ah I feel like I should be posting my stuff in here and Jana should be the only one doing paintovers

    What I'd advise you to do is maybe do some studies of movie stills and see how they use lighting to divide space and tell the story. You could also try to do a line art and then try out different palettes and lighting situations. It's interesting, give it a shot!

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    Man, you two are the best. As if you haven't inspired the community enough.... great idea.

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    Wow, you're both amazing for doing this...I can't thank you enough

    I've got quite an old one here which doesn't represent what I can do now but I want it to, mainly for my university portfolio. Could you give me some good pointers/paintovers on where to improve the most maybe?

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    Great initiative!

    Hannes, looking at that piece from Reedux and your paintover, I couldn't help but notice all the dark dead space at the top of 'em.

    So I thought rather than crop some of that space why not put a large moon in there and just keep it in lower contrast so it doesn't grab too much attention? The bottom crescent is also to further hint at where the action is happening.

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    Duuuuuuuuuude That is fuckin sweet!
    I feel like redrawing the whole pic now! (but in a good way)
    Thanks a lot for the critique, it was Ace!

    You actually gave me some good ideas for my new drawing!
    (that I said wasn't good enough for a paintover but that I think is good enough now.. is it all right if I post another..?)

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    Funny because I was wondering what went wrong with this one. You guys wanna stab at it?

    Keep in mind "start over" is still valid. Something's really off and I don't think I took it as far as I could through lack of interest and an understanding something wasn't "vibing."

    I couldn't decide if the lense distortion present in my references worked or not, so I hit it somewhere in the middle. Any thoughts concerning this in particular would intrigue me.

    If you'd like I can also present the references I shot for this.

    Thanks for anything you can contribute.
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    o sweeet...looks like I have to come up with something for you guys to fix for me
    brb lol

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    Paintovers are really the best type of feedback, and I am excited about this thread a lot!

    I am currently working on this, it is really important to me. I feel as though I am struggling with the colours the most.
    Without the colour layers turned on, I feel like I am doing just fine, but when I turn on the colours I am not sure if the picture benefits from them at all.
    Please help!

    Hannes' and Jana's paintover thread :D

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    zx52hg, here's what I tried to do with yours
    I thought the main problem here was value, everything is around a mid value, which really flattens out a painting. Maybe try to play around with how you can put dark versus light shapes, it can really help you make your stuff read. I also thought your painting was a bit oversaturated, which led to two things: 1. Hard to read and 2. doesn't work too well with the postapocalyptic scenery. So what I did was desaturate it and then separate the silhouettes by changing the values a bit. Things also tend to get more desaturated the further they are away, that's not always true but since saturated things pop out it's a good thing to have it in the back of your head
    To further break up the shapes and have more light vs dark overlap I added that lighting from the side, just to make the value pattern more interesting and to separate the forground from the middleground a bit.

    Media doesn't really have anything to do with it, the principles of painting are the same in traditional and digital, so don't worry about that

    It might be a good idea for you to just do some more observation painting, and observe how light and contrast behave in reality, trust me, it really helps


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    And SouMeng, damn that moon really helped it D: Thanks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by algenpfleger View Post
    zx52hg, here's what I tried to do with yours
    I thought the main problem here was value, everything is around a mid value, which really flattens out a painting. Maybe try to play around with how you can put dark versus light shapes, it can really help you make your stuff read. I also thought your painting was a bit oversaturated, which led to two things: 1. Hard to read and 2. doesn't work too well with the postapocalyptic scenery. So what I did was desaturate it and then separate the silhouettes by changing the values a bit. Things also tend to get more desaturated the further they are away, that's not always true but since saturated things pop out it's a good thing to have it in the back of your head
    To further break up the shapes and have more light vs dark overlap I added that lighting from the side, just to make the value pattern more interesting and to separate the forground from the middleground a bit.

    Media doesn't really have anything to do with it, the principles of painting are the same in traditional and digital, so don't worry about that

    It might be a good idea for you to just do some more observation painting, and observe how light and contrast behave in reality, trust me, it really helps

    And SouMeng, damn that moon really helped it D: Thanks!!
    Holy cow, I'm impressed! Many thanks for taking the time to do this.

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    Wheee the Thread is growing! < 3

    Alexson: no problem! I'm glad I could help =D

    Donna: very nice! I especially like the colors of the background
    In my overpaint I focused on the face since you wrote you've got the most trouble with it.
    I think the overall face structure is nice. Only the colors bothers me a bit. I think the face could work well with a lot less contrast. You also used very bright and saturated colors. Try to scale down that a bit. Maybe do some quick color studies from life from your face or hands and see how natural/diffuse daylight works. Frankly, I dont understand it by myself, but it will really help you to get rid of that digital/overlayish look in your paintings
    Also, the light situation changed compleatly when you compare the dress with her skin.

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    Spikings: Hi Here is my overpaint, I hope I didnt do too much!
    First I tried to fix the proportions of the face a bit by using photoshop's liquefy tool. Before you start adding colors you should check your lines and proportions. I know sometimes you eager to finally start with colors but the drawing underneath isnt less important. In fact the painting will be as good as the drawing underneath is, no matter how good the colors are!
    I also think you used a bit too much white for your highlights and too much black for your shadows. Thats a mistake nearly everyone makes in the beginning. Try to explore more ways to color by doing photostudies with different lightsituations for example. The light itself could be also a bit more "dramatic" with focus on the light snake

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    Here is another one °_°/

    Quigleyer: Basically I think you use too much black. Everything is a bit too dark and has too much contrast. I would suggest to work more in the midtones and with less black
    Imagine a dark room with an open door where such a huge lightsource like in your painting comes in. The room is filled with diffuse light.

    Composition: I think the element are a bit running out of corner. So I copied the flames down a bit for instance.

    I also think your painting is waaaaay too saturated like you've put a huge orange overlay layer on top of it (totally sounds like me too, haha). I found out that the painting looks more realistic by just subducting the saturation a bit.

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    You guys!!

    Too awesome I'm reading every crit!
    I honestly thought this thread would be flooded by now

    I promise I wont post another pic
    This is a wip Im working on. (gonna redraw the dude, and was thinking of adding some blueish green to break all the warm colors)

    No -need- to do a paintover, some pointers would be enough I think
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