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    Fed to take over the internet

    So I don't know if any one knows about this bill but here is some info.

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    I want to know what you think about this good or bad!
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    NO BILL with Joe Lieberman's name on it is a good idea. The guy's a total and complete corporate tool.

    And anyway, even if you absolutely adore and trust Obama (and I do, man, I do), he's not going to be President forever...
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    sounds like a good idea since as of now the united states has no cyber defense.. and companies arent taking precautions since they feel its the governments job to defend them just as if it were thugs breaking windows or something.

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    isnt the internet a universal piece of equipment not just limited to the US? How can they take ownership of it?

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    Turning off or blocking networks is not a defense move. If you reach that state you've already failed and there's nothing left to protect.

    I can't think of any situation that would call for something like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunchback View Post
    isnt the internet a universal piece of equipment not just limited to the US? How can they take ownership of it?
    its to protect the u.s. infrastructure, they wont take over google or youtube as far as i know.. its more of maintaining what is needed in case of a large scale cyber attack.. our society is way to reliant on the internet... its fast becoming our Achilles heel

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    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
    - Benjamin Franklin, 1775

    I'll take ol' Ben's opinion over Lieberman's any day of the week.
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    FCC is doing their part as well, by reclassifying broadband.

    This smells like Shock Doctrine. They are setting this up, so that at the first emergency they can import new regulations. Take a look at what happened at New Orleans after hurricane Katrina. Private schools run for profit were set up, with near military accuracy, before residents even started to move back in. Out of 130 something public schools, only 4 were left after this Disaster Capitalist move was made.

    I'm leery.

    *edit: Now I sound like the paranoid guy don't I?

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    guys, trust me..having the government control the internetz is not a pleasant experience. Damn frustrating as hell.
    here in china..no youtube, no facebook, blogspot, wordpress..google is based in hongkong now..which means you can search for something..but as long as that site is blocked in the mainland..all you get are red x's all over the search page.
    English yahoo sites dont work properly..etc
    though i must say..it seems to work pretty well for chinese government..but all of us inside..locals and non locals..we hate it.
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    No I want my freedom and privacy intact thank you very much.
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    [QUOTE=Auslander;2781887]"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
    - Benjamin Franklin, 1775

    This is true, because once you give up ol' Ben's said 'Essential Liberty' you have already lost a portion of what was needed in the first place, in a sense...er, something along those lines (even if it does have but just a power switch).

    "Hey, can we play with this for a while *gov't goes to tinker with me internet*"
    "*Pulls out a bat* BACK!!...you old n' wrinkly, foul-mouthed, indecisive, money grubbin' zombies!"
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    Nice job with the sensationalistic and misleading thread title, you have a future in journalism.
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    NO BILL with Joe Lieberman's name on it is a good idea.
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    "sensationalistic" ...Come on, Tristan... I know "sensational" could also be seen in a good light, but anyone reading for context would understand. Even "sensationalist" works. I gave the honor of looking up your word on wiktionary, and even it says just use "sensationalist".

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    Adjective form of "sensationalism." Used especially in reference to media or journalism. I won't back down!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunchback View Post
    isnt the internet a universal piece of equipment not just limited to the US? How can they take ownership of it?
    Because Al Gore invented it so he owns the copyrights and he is liquidating everything to pay for his divorce

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    Quote Originally Posted by TASmith View Post
    "sensationalistic" ...Come on, Tristan... I know "sensational" could also be seen in a good light, but anyone reading for context would understand. Even "sensationalist" works. I gave the honor of looking up your word on wiktionary, and even it says just use "sensationalist".

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    The bill, put forward Thursday by Sen. Joe Lieberman,
    Everything you need to know about the intent of this bill can easily be explained by this.

    Like someone mentioned earlier, Joe Lieberman is very much a corporate tool.

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    "Joe Lieberman wants to give the federal government the power to take over civilian networks’ security, if there’s an “imminent cyber threat.""

    Would this be the same government that presides over a top secret classified network so secure that an autistic UFO nut using dial-up in the bedroom of his mother's house managed, with no trouble at all, to access 97 of its computers over a period of more than a year and freely download any and all information he found there? The government who, subsequently aggrieved that their titanic incompetence - surely unrivaled in the history of the multiverse - had been exposed, labeled said UFO nut a terrorist threat to national security and as we speak is attempting to have him extradited and locked away for life? Is this the same governent we're talking about here, because if it is they shouldn't be trusted with a fucking iPod.

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    True Baron, although there's always the hope that someday, these fuckjobs will hire a talented individual/s who will provide real security...

    That's the thing about government. It's constantly changing. The way it messed up in the past isn't necessarily the way it'll mess up in the future... Funny thing is, the scandals that make it look bad actually help it get its act together, at least for a short time.

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    Oh. So the guys watching internet porn at work won't be in the Dept. of the Interior but they will instead be in the FDA?

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    Oh god. Sorry if I've gotten in the habit of using big text a lot, but


    NO.

    Absolutely not!

    Switch off the internet in case of a cyberattack? Really? Are they that thick? What if someone hacks the government and turns that switch, off?

    This is just asking for total fail. I don't want the government to have that much power. This is actually the first time I said something like this too.

    Imagine how much money would be wasted on this. I'm sure it isn't cheap.

    (Yes, in case if you haven't noticed, I'm all for net neutrality.)
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    Bad - bad bad bad.

    But...

    The internet is already under the control of the US government.

    ICANN was meant to transfer control of the internet to the UN in 2006, Bush prevented that from happening. They have already done some questionable stuff (Like transferring ownership of Iraq's top level domain (.iq) to the US Government without consulting anyone.)

    This new legislation might flush some of this out into the open and make it a little more open and democratic than it already is. It's still bad bad bad. But I don't think anything will actually change because of it.

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    Silly people, everybody knows Anonymous owns the internet.

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    I had no idea this wasn't already happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    Adjective form of "sensationalism." Used especially in reference to media or journalism. I won't back down!
    I'd say a few unnecessary letters for effect, irregardless of the word being recognized (or not) by a dictionary, falls within a sensible scope of license in an informal setting like the Lounge.

    I personally applaud Elwell for not backing down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    irregardless
    You didn't just do that...pld:
    (I know, I know, shoe's on the other foot now...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    I'd say a few unnecessary letters for effect, irregardless of the word being recognized (or not) by a dictionary, falls within a sensible scope of license in an informal setting like the Lounge.

    I personally applaud Elwell for not backing down.
    You REALLY were looking for a moment in time to use " irregardless" weren't you?

    LOL It's one of those words not commonly used. I applaud your usage!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    (I know, I know, shoe's on the other foot now...)
    Sorry Tristan. I couldn't lay off of that one.

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    Sorry, I've been reading Strunk & White recently...

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    Who is this government person everyone refers to with such singularity?
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