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    Dude, Sharprm there are some amazing artists who draw in the furry genre

    Chris Goodwin: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3656255/
    LoupGarou: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3207281/
    DimeSpin: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3240408/
    Sapphire: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1466047/
    and Louve: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2631238/

    These are only a few of the many talented artists involved in the fandom. The problem is, furry art, like anime art is incredibly popular with young people and so you have a much higher amount of amateur or very young artists drawing said content which at times can completely overshadow the amount of more skilled artists.

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    omg I have been a fan of Louve for SEVEN YEARS; thanks for refreshing my memory!

     

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    Might as well toss a couple more artists on the fire:

    Mary Mouse: http://www.furaffinity.net/full/1670768/
    Tark: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2521234/
    Extiva: http://www.furaffinity.net/full/1209521/
    Magolobo: http://magolobo.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d2mp5vk
    P_Moss: http://www.furaffinity.net/full/3877491/
    Hibbary: http://www.furaffinity.net/full/3914290/
    Kacey Miyagami: http://www.furaffinity.net/full/268087/
    Cicero: http://www.furaffinity.net/full/3531036/

    Are these artists part of the furry community? Yes.
    Are they quality artists? Yes.
    Are they serious about their art? Yes.
    Do some of them do adult material as well? Yes.
    Do all of them? No.
    Does it matter if they do? No.
    Does it affect the quality of their art? No.

    Simple as that, really.

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    Take out PMoss and put in a FaberCastel.

    http://www.furaffinity.net/gallery/fabercastel/

    Even Paperplane
    http://www.furaffinity.net/gallery/paperplane/

    Sorry but I prefer seeing variety in character design, when too many have the "Same face palette swap from Capcom" it's not as cool.

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    You can find diamonds in the most unlikely of places.

    PseudoManitou has been a great inspiration to me for quite a while: http://pseudo-manitou.deviantart.com/

    More:
    Hodori: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/hodori
    Caleidoscopecat: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaleidoscopecat/
    Creeley: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/creeley/
    Kamui: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kamui/
    Iiji: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/iiji/
    f27: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/f27/
    Weremagnus: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/weremagnus/
    Basalt: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/basalt/
    Mutley James: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/mutley
    Blueberserker: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/blueberserker/
    Drawfurry: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/drawfurry/
    KitFoxFire: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kitfoxfire/
    Tesso: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1077567/
    Mamabliss (Very NSFW, but quite unusual drawing style): http://www.mamabliss.com/

    Then there's a bunch of artists who only draw porn, but manage to do it really well, Furronika would be a classic in that genre, being a pretty good draftsman.

    And then there's obviously the plethora of those who suffer from this... : http://michellepainteroflight.ytmnd.com/ (Which happens to be what people think of when they hear "furry".)

     

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    Oh! Drawfurry is the one who does Roza the Cursed Mage? Must add to watchlist!

    And for the record, I like Pmoss' art. I've known her a few years now, and I know for certain that she takes her art seriously, and tries to improve it wherever she can. No need to slam individual artists here.

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    I just read this entire thread, and it seems like some people are saying that the label furry applies to all nearly all anthro animals. It doesn't.

    I (and most other people who have a problem with "furries") have always understood the term "furry" to refer to either a. People who get there rocks off on sexualized anthro animals or b. The sexualized anthro animals themselves as depicted in art.

    Also, keep in mind when I say sexualized I don't mean like if a female anthro character has breasts. I'm talking about the weird stuff with the huge creepy anime eyes and the snuggling...*shivers*

    Classic cartoon characters, or even say the Thunder Cats (or the SWAT Cats...man does anyone else remember how cool that show was?) simply don't fall under the Furry label, at least not for me.

    And like a few people have said already. Everyone has the right to draw what they want in this country. But if you draw Furry art (as I defined above) then everyone else has the right to say it is creepy as fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiggum View Post
    I just read this entire thread, and it seems like some people are saying that the label furry applies to all nearly all anthro animals. It doesn't.

    I (and most other people who have a problem with "furries") have always understood the term "furry" to refer to either a. People who get there rocks off on sexualized anthro animals or b. The sexualized anthro animals themselves as depicted in art.
    Uh, yeah. Personally, I'm not going to put the opinions of /b or the SomethingAwful guys above the people who actually produce the stuff and belong to the community. You know, the people who consider themselves and their work to be "furry".

    Looking to the people who are clearly biased against it for a definition is silly.

    And like a few people have said already. Everyone has the right to draw what they want in this country. But if you draw Furry art (as I defined above) then everyone else has the right to say it is creepy as fuck.
    See above about definitions. Sure, you're allowed to find furry creepy, but at least do it from an intellectually honest perspective, rather than redefining terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezumi Works View Post
    And for the record, I like Pmoss' art. I've known her a few years now, and I know for certain that she takes her art seriously, and tries to improve it wherever she can. No need to slam individual artists here.
    Uhh I've known her for a long time too. I'm giving a critique as to why she's not a top artist or good example of furry artwork that would surprise people. I have said nothing personal about her whatsoever nor said anything about her about her being a terrible artist. I simply stated why she's not a good example. It would look the same to many people who aren't exactly into furry art but will give it the chance.

    If you're looking for "improving artists, that I think are cool people and want to plug" go for it. I was looking for something where if you look beyond some of the subject matter you can see obvious applied knowledge. For example Fabercastel, I really am not into a lot of the subject matter he draws, however, I can see uniqueness in each design and personality. Which is exactly what many should go for.

    It's nice that she likes Alphonse Mucha and I have spoken with her before and had artistic discussions on improvement. However, I don't just plug friends who draw anthro.

     

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    Uh, yeah. Plugging wasn't my intent but whatever. You think what you want.

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    Prime example why people can't deal with furry art. If it isn't the art it's the over defensiveness when people state things why they don't like on more technical reasons not "eww furries". :/

    Carry on I guess.

     

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    Oh boy. Three pages. I let this simmer a bit too long.

    I hope you don't take offence if I don't read through it. Best for everyone. I'd most likely get cagey and drag this thing out for another 3-30 pages. You saw how my last response went.

    But I think it's fair to assume that at least a few posters have made up their minds that I'm a nasty, barbaric, intolerant bigot for not pulling my arty-artist beret down over my ears and linking hands for a rousing chorus of Ebony and Ivory?
    I'm not here in this thread for that. But I'm also not some goon from SomethingAwful trolling random forums for my jollies. Anyone who feels like defending and welcoming furries can go ahead. I'm not stopping you. But I want to explain myself, and make sure you're not under the illusion that the 'fandom' is only made up of slightly quirky people with a thing for sports mascot memorabilia.
    Parts of the fandom convince themselves that any activity is alright behind the community's closed doors, and others (not all, but still others) will turn a blind eye to it. I mentioned vivisector.org. Even a casual stroll through that site will turn up stuff that I don't think the majority of CA would ever want to be comfortable with; and I still don't just mean "Gosh, that drawing of a skunk-woman is quite graphic" or "Oh my, that socially-underdeveloped person is unusually volatile." Here are a few choice pieces skimmed off the top.

    http://www.vivisector.org/vivblog/in...-GOT-AWAY.html
    http://forums.vivisector.org/index.php/topic,198.0.html
    http://forums.vivisector.org/index.php/topic,332.0.html
    http://forums.vivisector.org/index.php/topic,331.0.html
    http://forums.vivisector.org/index.php/topic,319.0.html

    Besides the surface creepiness of the furry fandom, this is why I don't like furries; and why I get prickly when any kind of anthropomorphic art - from Horus and Anubis, to Coolidge's poker-playing dogs, to childrens' cartoons - is automatically labelled 'furry' by the people themselves and their naive apologists.

    You might argue that kind of person could turn up in any gathering, even CA. True, but most gatherings aren't usually centred around encouraging and celebrating the sexualisation of animals, and to a lesser (quantitative) extent children, in the first place. It's like throwing a caucasian appreciation party and wondering why klan mambers and skinheads turn up.
    You might also think I'm insulting CA's intelligence and decency, or call me hysterical. Not at all. I certainly don't think CA is about to slip into a pit of vice and orgies, with only me and my soapbox to save it. I don't think that little of the site's intent and maturity. The only thing me and my soapbox are trying to do is to rectify one or two misconceptions that a small handful of the membership might have, when they leap to the defence.

    So I've said my piece. I'll scuttle off now. I have a feeling it's still not going to impress some, but at least they might begin to be aware - of where my antipathy's coming from, if nothing else.

    And apologies if that isn't how the topic went at all.

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    Being around this comunety for some time and seen the darkest pits it has, and it is really fritning stuff.

    Now i want to stand a bit aside from the funnyhouse part and go for the other area and that is the art part of it, yes ther is some good artists there but the problem is not the art, its the communety, and i seen some really horrible personalaties there, majorety its like DAs drama partys, or to get some recognition or even payed for work you do you have to copy somone allready populars style or draw bucketloads porn.

    And yes the porn the werry thing that can suck you dry of any artistic tallent and muse, for ask one there what they want and its majoretly porn, i looked back and now seen that almsot everything is that and for somone, i have been to nice to them and really gotten noware, and wasted so much time.

    ...Now im depressed...

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanny View Post
    ...Now im depressed...
    Sanny, post more mechs I love how you do different stuff, and I know you have the language barrier along with dyslexia - but just keep posting. I'm certainly not saying not to post the furry work, I also like seeing the other stuff you post, specially with Catzie's progression.

    No reason to be depressed if you just keep in the same communities and just wonder why it's happening. Branch out keep working at it and finding your own path. It's only insanity if you keep repeating it knowing it's making you depressed

     

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    nothing wrong with furries, but this is hilarious:

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerulaitis View Post
    Then there's a bunch of artists who only draw porn, but manage to do it really well, Furronika would be a classic in that genre, being a pretty good draftsman.
    a quick google search brings for this artist brings up hundreds of
    true diamonds of the furry scene (censored but still horrible enough)


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    Yes, that's true, he tackled possibly every perversion in existence for the quite a while he's been around. What do you expect - it's bloody porn, sometimes really extreme kinds, deffinately not for the faint of heart or easily offended. That doesn't automatically make the draftmanship bad.

     

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    So then, even outright nasty porn can be drawn with skill. Hence, you can improve on "furries".

    This whole argument is just outright silly, in my opinion. If you have passion, you can improve. This is really simple math.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerulaitis View Post
    Yes, that's true, he tackled possibly every perversion in existence for the quite a while he's been around. What do you expect - it's bloody porn, sometimes really extreme kinds, deffinately not for the faint of heart or easily offended. That doesn't automatically make the draftmanship bad.
    Uhm.. it looks like the artist referenced porn pictures and copy pasted lion king heads on the bodies. There's no draftsmanship behind that.
    Besides the supercreepy design disaster the heads don't connect to the bodies anatomically.


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    With the huge success of Avatar... I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that the "furry" movement is gaining ground and pushing into mainstream!

    Not just in a cute cartoon animal way. Now it is COMPLETELY sexualized beastial humans! (the entire movie was the animal people running around nude! but it was "ok" because they had furrrr!...well...blue skin... like a smurf).

    But, now this is where we come into the key issue of this thread!

    You don't see james cameron standing up and claiming himself to be a "furry" (even though that is exactly what his 'vision' was pushing). Simply, the term itself is the problem. If you are an artist that creates beastial human creatures... do it, have fun, people will consume it and enjoy it... just DON'T label yourself a "furry". Label yourself an artist, label the work fantasy, do anything else but put that "furry sticker" on yourself.

    If you want to be a concept artist and your work is filled with killer art of charr (cat-like race from guildwars) or Vah Shir (cat people from everquest) or any of the other countless anthropomorphic creatures found in movies and games, thats fine... people won't turn away gagging and thinking you are a kinky weirdo. You need to place the term "furry" in their minds for them to start looking at you that way. If you have on your porfolio "furry artist!" ...well...they won't take you as seriously as if you just state you are an artist (and happen to have lots of those types of concepts).

    Unless your porfolio is filled with furry porn... then... well... it doesn't matter how you label yourself, they will still look at you as a kinky furrrrr-eak

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezumi Works View Post
    Uh, yeah. Personally, I'm not going to put the opinions of /b or the SomethingAwful guys above the people who actually produce the stuff and belong to the community. You know, the people who consider themselves and their work to be "furry".

    Looking to the people who are clearly biased against it for a definition is silly.
    The same word can often mean different things to different people.

    I'm not being intellectually dishonest. If you want to define yourself as a "furry" that is your prerogative. But don't be shocked when people assume that you like touching yourself while dressed up in a dog costume.

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    To wiggum and Ivory Oasis (and probably others in this thread).

    That's exactly the points I've been making about the term "Furry" when using it on oneself. If the definition doesn't have a general consensus among its own fans it's not hard to see why the term is so damaging vs a term like Trekkie.

     

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    Can't you assholes find something else to argue about? I like to draw nekkid females, and I was intrigued by the fact that Donald Duck and Pogo didn't wear pants when I was five, but I didn't turn it into a life-long obsession. Some of the greatest stories every written or drawn involve nude/half-clothed animals acting and operating like humans, including a couple of rather famous cockroaches, and I didn't see the moral universe collapsing into itself in reaction. Get off the bullshit and get back to drawing--and I don't care if it's a mech bi-sexual super hero with a cod piece and gigantic tits, or a cute fatherly raccoon explaining sex to a befuddled field mouse in a pink tutu. Anything...has to be better than the pseudo-intellectual crap filling up this thread.

    ...and while you're at it--jam the constant repetitive overheated anime/manga arguments where the sun don't shine until you can prove you know what you're talking about.

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    Hahaha "caucasian appreciation party"!

     

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    So "Animal Farm" was actually an S and M story about dom pigs?

     

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    What about shitting dicknipples?

     

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    I think you guys have missed the obvious...

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    I draw furry art. I don't draw porn, though, and I'm amongst many who don't. But Many, many, many also do. =/

    Being so obsessed with sex, like a huge proportion of the furry fandom is, is frighteningly unhealthy. Because someone will always push it a bit. Then someone else will. And so on. And because it's such a huge fandom, the snowball just keeps growing.

    I personally think the major furry websites should ban representational drawings of non-human genitalia. A lot of furries seem to think it's okay to draw animals having sex because they are humanised - but I cannot understand why, then, you'd want to see a realistic animal penis on the drawing? It's allowing people to be interested and letting new people become interested in something that, some individuals, will take too far. Same with anything. I think people give other people too much credit.

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    Ah geez, so this thread came back to life (saw it back during my lurking days). I guess I might as well add my two ¢.

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    That's exactly the points I've been making about the term "Furry" when using it on oneself. If the definition doesn't have a general consensus among its own fans it's not hard to see why the term is so damaging vs a term like Trekkie.
    This is the crux of the issue, isn't it. There's no consensus on what "furry" (the bad(?) kind) is exactly. Neither the pro- or anti-furries have made clear to me where the line between anthropomorphic animal art and fetish art lies, besides the depiction of sexual acts.

    Lets assume "furry" in its pejorative sense; "furry" is the word you use when you want to say a person's art is bad and he has a gross fetish. This raises the following questions for me:

    Everyone remember Robert Crumb's Fritz the Cat? We have an anthropomorphized cat that, among other things, experiences a variety of sexual encounters with other anthropomorphized animals. Was this comic "furry?" More specifically, do either furry fans or anti-furries perceive this comic as "furry?" I'm sure the former do; what the anti-furries think would be more interesting. If Fritz is not "furry" in either case, what is it exactly that prevents the furriness? Also, if Fritz was not invented in 1965 but was instead invented in modern times, with its existence of furry fandom and its detractors, how would we respond to it?

    A more recent item I've personally encountered is the game FEDA: The Emblem of Justice for the SNES. It was never released outside of Japan, and was translated by fans after the fact. It's a strategy RPG, similar to Fire Emblem or Shining Force (actually, some of its developers had worked on Shining Force). The writing and plot is fairly mature and gritty, with its share of ribald dialogue, and is generally stuff I wouldn't show to children. Just dialog though; there's no blood or gore.

    It also has the most anthros I've ever seen in an RPG. One of the two main characters is a wolf and is advertised on the cover. Another playable character is a scantily clad fox woman. On top of that, the game has dialog that suggests that, yes, there has been "relations" between the wolf and the fox (only dialog).

    To summarize, a game that was likely not targeted to children (well, it being in Japan makes it hard to judge for a westerner like me) where about a third of the playable characters is some kind of anthro, a few of them sexualized. Are the anthro characters in FEDA "furry?" Would one assume some of the developers, writers, and artists who worked on FEDA were "furry?" If one were to say no to these questions, what is it that makes the contents of FEDA not furry? I mean, everyone would call FEDA's anthros furry if they first appeared in Deviant Art instead of in an obscure SNES game. For that matter, what if FEDA was released today worldwide instead of in 1994 and in Japan only? Would FEDA draw the wrath of Something Awful and 4chan should it be released today (we can assume it would be appropriated by furry fandom)?

    Hell, we should ask the character designers at Rare what was going through their heads when they invented Krystal for Star Fox Adventures.

    I guess what I'm trying to ask is how does one draw anthropomorphized animals without pissing someone off or intriguing someone for the wrong reasons, besides not putting the animals in grotesque sexual situations? Is that even possible anymore?

    The only thing I sense among media that depicts "furries" but doesn't get targeted for being "furry" is that they don't explicitly associate themselves with furry fandom. For my own examples it might be because it didn't exist yet, but I don't see Robert Crumb creating a Furaffinity account. Ivory Oasis brought this up in regards to James Cameron's Avatar. I suspect half the reaction towards furries is not so much towards the art itself as it is to the furry community, as people from outside blanche and rage over its odd practices (fursuits) and its forum dramas. Hell, how many of you found out about furry fandom by reading others complaining about it before stumbling upon furry art and furry web sites? That's how I found out about the fandom.

    And yeah, there's the whole freedom-of-speech/freedom-of-sexuality angle too, with the whole "why do you hate fur sex but not gay/bi/whatever" angle, or maybe a "how does one reconcile a belief in sexual liberty with a belief that furries are stupid and gross" angle.

     

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    Any modern anthropomorphized animal is simply one of a long line of such in a multi-millennia history of such creatures, used to teach, entertain, and even to explain the workings of the gods created by man. They act as humans in beast form, doing human things in a human fashion, which may extend to the area of sexual contact. This does not make them "furries."

    Once these creatures cross into the world of "I exist for sexual purposes alone," they become a perversion of one of man's greatest abilities--the ability to imagine that animals can speak and act as a humans, and sometimes teach us things a human may have trouble communicating. Fritz the Cat, Pogo, and Crazy Kat taught their respective generations more about politics and social problems than any text book could have. To lower them to the level of sweaty fools in fur suits absurdly groping each other, and claiming they're a legitimate reason for matching art is a travesty. And i say this as someone who studies pornographic comics, so disagree with me all you want, but I'm not going to sit here and listen to all this hypocritical bullshit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by VideroBoy View Post
    I guess what I'm trying to ask is how does one draw anthropomorphized animals without pissing someone off or intriguing someone for the wrong reasons, besides not putting the animals in grotesque sexual situations? Is that even possible anymore?
    Just draw them without the grotesque part and ignore the fandom. There are plenty of anthros in mainstream stuff and some of them have obvious sexual attributes people don't mind about. If you try to draw the mainstream kind of anthros and somebody sees them as furry fetish fodder, then it means it's a poor drawing and you have work to do, because nobody would mistake these for fetish fodder though they are scantly clothed and arguably sexy:
    http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/da...atlConcept.jpg
    Nowadays any furry artist worth mentioning knows there is a line between interesting anthros and fetish rags, even artists who choose to sell furry porn. It's just the hacks who can do nothing but cheap porn and the most narrow fans who insist on dumping everything together.

     

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