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    Ok, i've risen from the dead to do what i do best, break stuff (and procastinate)

    Buy and read the first 6 pages of newspaper every day and also the editorial commentaries. Skip the entertainment section. Su Doku is fine. Do the crossword puzzle.
    Newspapers are awefull, read the internet.


    Stay away from the airbrush. You'll never master it, hardly anyone ever has.
    Worst bit of advice i've EVER seen. 'You wont be the best, just forget it'. Well, in that case you can just die, since you probably won't be the best breather anyway, stop it.

    Stay away from most art galleries. Go to art auctions. That's where the real action is.
    Indeed, be close minded. Why should you be influenced by things outside of your interest?

    Do not use an Ipod.
    On wich elwell replied the possible reasoning behind it:
    Headphones cut you off from the outside world, which most young artists could stand to be more engaged with.
    Being cut off, for me atleast, is a good thing from time to time. It allowes me to focus on things, even with my ADD.


    No video games, either.
    Honestly, most of the smartest people i've known play or played videogames. And then I dont mean mainsteam sporting games. Its one of the few things in life that forces you to think for yourself and make decisions. Besides, arent some just alternatives for books?

    Listen to classical music and jazz. If you are unable to appreciate it at least as much as contemporary music, you lack the sensitivity to develop into an artist of any real depth.
    Talk about being short sighted.
    (ps. I can appreciate Classical music and jazz)

    Never explain yourself. Better yet, never do anything that will, later, require you to explain yourself or to say you're sorry.
    All I will say for this is that I hate regrets more then apologies.



    With the advice he gave, he sounds like a very closed minded (semi-ideallistic) who has no lust for life except art?

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    really?

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    There's a lot of close-mindedness in this thread actually. Paint me suprised.

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    It's only advice. My advice is don't take too much advice.

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    Phew. Well that's a relief. Here I thought this was going to be *difficult*.

    Gotta get back to filling those sketchbooks, though!

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    I'm more productive when I'm listening to music, but I always thought that it's because of my lack of concentration, I need to be doing two things at a time or my mind wanders too much and I end up doing nothing, Wish I could hold my concentration in just one thing without the aid of an external activity such as listening to music, I think I could be more productive that way.

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    How's this for general life advice, then:

    Do whatever works for you, man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_ View Post
    Newspapers are awefull, read the internet.
    I would highly disagree. I read a broadsheet and skim over the entertainment and life style stuff as it's not important. I do the Sudukos and if I have time the cryptic crossword. I like the little stories that are tucked away that are hard to find on an internet newspaper. It also might improve your spelling.

    The list is more an attitude towards your work and you use what works. Always keeping an open mind should be added.


    I didn't think it was possible to be called an artist when you have nothing to say. It's like being a writer who publishes individual words as books and expects to be praised for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QueenGwenevere View Post
    How's this for general life advice, then:

    Do whatever works for you, man.
    You've just won the internet.

    Everything wrong with that list can be fixed with that advice.

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    So, never ask for advice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcarman View Post
    So, never ask for advice?
    Hey, does asking for advice work for you? Then go ahead and ask! Does the advice work for you? Go ahead, follow it! Does something else work better? Do that instead!

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    People getting butthurt over this is very entertaining.

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    I really believe we're on the same page. The whole list thing started because someone asked for advice from this guy. This is the advice he gave. Part of living is being able to edit advice, but it does not invalidate the fact that someone was generous enough with their time to give this advice in the first place. I'm just giving the guy his props. We can find anything we want to criticize and post it here for fun but I sure wouldn't want to give my time and advice just to have people take pot shots.

    Does something else work better?
    The guy who wrote in for the advice in the first place obviously didn't know so asked.

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    Just sounds odd that Giger's agent would advise against the airbrush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowlin View Post
    Just sounds odd that Giger's agent would advise against the airbrush.
    Or is it..? *Strokes large curly moustache and ponders*

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    Yeah, I'm sorry I got "butthurt". I'll leave this alone. Everyone has their pet peeves and two of mine just happen to be advice and picking someone apart behind their back. Been asked for too much advice over the years in class, through emails, interviews, etc.. I would just hate to think that one of my lists showed up on a forum like this to be picked apart. On the other had I would probably never know. Sorry.

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    I gotta chime in on the no videogames bit;

    She/he/whatever must not play a lot of games, since it really depends what you play. Sure if all you're doing is playing COD or Halo all day it's best to stop/ease up, but I've actually learned a lot playing games;

    Shogun total war; learned basic geography of Japan, got interested in the Sengoku Jidai (did a paper on it), even was introduced to and bought the art of war.

    Rome total war; learned some basic history and geography of ancient europe, got very interested in rome and gaul, bought a few books to that effect.

    Mount and Blade; exposed to Ganbat's awesome artwork, better than any fancy laoding screen. Also exposed to some decent sensible fantasy armor, which I really think is going to influence my fantasy art in the long run more than any fancy screens of impossible armors from Guild wars or WoW.

    Total Annihilation/Supreme commander; not the same game but similar concept. LOT of strategising and deception while playing with friends. Learned a lot

    Morrowind; Aside from a very unique visual design and story that could influence my art, it also brought me into the world of modding, and could have possibly led to an interest in game design; I created a few quests, learned to import, retexture and export armors, things like that.


    In general, ok advice since it's not neccessarily along the path to your goal.

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    The thing is that, most people that play videogames spend TOO MUCH time doing it, I used to be a videogame addict like 10 years ago; they used to almost consume my life, now I almost don't play anymore and things changed a lot for the better, but it's not wrong to play like, 2 hours per day or something, videogames are great if you play them in a rational way.
    What this guy means is that you should think about how much time you spend doing it.

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    Sounds more like a fatherly advice list on how to live a good life (=how to live like that guy).
    Meh, I do what I want with my time, even when this makes me "lack the sensitivity to develop into an artist of any real depth".

    I just took a break to post this.
    But sometimes I also draw stuff
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    I mostly do all of these things, actually. And I don't care if it makes me a prick. An artist has an obligation to be a contributing member of society, and I think sitting around steeped in ignorance is not what Rubens, Bernini, or Michelangelo would have wanted when they tried so hard to elevate the status of artist to that of theologians, philosophers, historians, playwrights, and poets. It's important to read the newspaper to understand what gets under our skin, so we can comment on it. It's important to be attuned to high culture, so you can reach an ideal demographic. It's important to be familiar with the human condition, which is why he recommends watching the "top 100 movies" and reading excessively. It's about being a fully realized human being, and I don't think those who consider themselves artists should be exempt from that standard. I mean, you go through these, and other than the "buy an anatomy book," so on and so forth, these are things you could say to any professional or hobbyist in any field and it would be pretty reasonable advice.

    Whether you are a narrative artist or favor the abstract, it's important to be attuned with the outside world. Art doesn't exist in a vacuum. Neither do you. Your works won't be effective if they're caught up in your own monologue.

    Of course, there's a difference between art for you and art for others, but I think making art and sharing it carries an implicit agreement that the piece is meant to be viewed.

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    And of course, the list is prescribing adhering to specific social norms accepted by "The Institution," but I know I at least am done fighting against the current. You change the system by participating in it, not by idly complaining.

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    It sounds more like he's suggesting giving your self a few years of intense "back to the basics" type of art training. He isn't saying this is exactly how you ought to live your life all the time forever, because really, we all have social obligations and many of us have other interests besides art.

    Though wanting to get into the video game industry, I really can't cut out all video games completely. XD

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    Fill up a sketchbook every month with pen or pencil drawings of the world around you, not from your imagination.
    Hm................

    "Everything must serve the idea. The means used to convey the idea should be the simplest and clear. Just what is required. No extra images. To me this is a universal principle of art. Saying as much as possible with a minimum of means."
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    Quote Originally Posted by OmenSpirits View Post
    Hm................
    That's one of the better advice out of them all.

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    Don't forget to keep yourself healthy, avoid junk food, it dulls up your mind. Also go for a walk every day to clear your thoughts and re-arrange them. Exercise regularly too.

    Over all good list, I find myself agreeing with most of it even though I'm not so good at applying it.


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    Whoever gets what i mean is winning at life.

    Crit for a crit!

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    When I draw, I generally don't listen to music...there are times I do when I'm on the bus and drawing but it's to shut everyone else out to stop interrupting me with stupid shit like "Hey did you draw that?" (Samuel Jackson voice: No mothefuckah, it just got there magically). I do however use an iPod Touch to draw (Now to figure out how to move the stuff off of Adobe ideas, because the mail thing is blacked out).

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    Leslie Barany has given great advice.

    Last edited by armando; June 17th, 2010 at 09:44 PM. Reason: seemed like I was saying that the noise in here was great advice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crane View Post
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    Whoever gets what i mean is winning at life.
    Here's my guess:

    * Efficiency
    * Directness
    * Simplicity

    Or, in a more easier way to put it...be like water.

    That list may sound close minded (I will agree) but its easy to just take pieces and see what works for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakhon View Post
    Here's my guess:

    * Efficiency - An attack that reaches its mark using the maximum amount of energy and applying it to a single point in the least amount of time.
    * Directness - Doing what comes naturally in a learned way.
    * Simplicity - Thinking in an uncomplicated manner; without ornamentation.
    Absorb what is useful, discard what is useless.

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