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3 months ago I risked and after a lot of research I bought a Motion Graphics LE1700. In case you dont know what it is, imagine a Ipad that runs Windows XP with a Wacom screen.
So i installed Zbrush, Photoshop CS4 and PaintTool Sai and been using it and have to say it works amazing. From life drawing to zbrush sketching.... in the park, in bed, in the couch with girlfriend, on a trip....
2 batteries, each 3 hours power, a "View Anywhere" screen for different angles... It changed the way I do art for sure.
For the non believers, I work in videogames, I have a cintiq 21x at work and a Intuos 3 A4 at home so I am aware of the different levels of pressure and how important they are.
In Zbrush I can get away with it and PaintTool sai is like a super sketchbook pro so it compensates.
Finally shortcuts are a bit of pain since you only have side buttons, but its enough, you quickly get used to it. And being able to carry it ANYWHERE, just no words for it.
Some work done with it:
Paint Tool Sai
Last edited by Castor; May 4th, 2010 at 09:41 PM.
Nice, how much does the LE1700 cost exactly?
I searched but it's more a Tablet PC than a Cintiq.
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As far as cost, according to this site: http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_slates_motion_le1700.html
Though saw this for used here: http://www.gainsaver.com/Catalog/Det...03&version=103 Note: people have had negative experiences with them so only use for reference
If it went with the used prices, I'd buy it over a giant iPad anyday.
Last edited by Arshes Nei; May 28th, 2010 at 01:12 PM.
Bough on ebay for 700$, 2 used batteries (practially new) for 70 dollars each.
It weights at around 1 kg.
Its not that thick, at all. I can take some screenshots if you guys want to see.
I mean, it has thickness but nothing that causes a problem.
Yeah some photos would be nice, I use Paint Tool SAI for my digital sketching needs so I'm well interested now on this Tablet PC. I imagine it uses a TN panel so it might not be good for accurate color work.
If we're are talking about slate tablet pcs, basically a computer on a screen without the keyboard, there are also the Fujitsu Stylistic models. c:
Fujitsus comes with PVA panels, if I am not mistaken. They also have fantastic viewing angles.
Last edited by Zulee; May 2nd, 2010 at 10:37 AM.
that was my thought 5 years ago!
But after the Ipad dissapointment and talking with Wacom representatives last Montreal Game Conference and realizing no one is really trying to do this, I dont want to wait anymore. And artistically, it changes a lot, from life drawing to actually painting a full environment outdoors, no longer limited by the pencils or paper you carry.
Are you using the stabilizer feature in SAI? The brushes seem to lag a bit.
You actually convinced me to buy an earlier model the LE1600. Granted, it's not as powerful as the duo cores on an LE1700 but for base sketching this will suffice.
I didn't get one with View anywhere but I will be ok with what I got.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Motion-Computing.../110529017411? these are up for charity so for a tablet with the specs of an iPad (or a bit greater) with pressure sensitivity for under $300 I can live (ram upgrade isn't that expensive either).
If you can, please share your experiences with the LE1600, Arshes Nei. I'd love to hear your testimonial of it, especially since it would be from the point of view from another artist! c: Castor, you have been extremely helpful as well!
Do these slate PCs have pressure sensitivity?
LE1700 may have more pressure sensitivity than the LE1600.
LE1700 is 512 (iirc) LE1600 is 256
M1400 is another older model with a 1.1ghz processor.
LE1600 are single core with 1.5 ghz processor
LE1700 are Duo Core processors.
Here's a vid btw on a Cintiq vs Tablet PC on pressure sensitivity.
Single cores are about 200-400 dollars. If you want View Anywhere (which is good for sunlight/working outdoors) they're about $300 and up.
For example, one outlet is selling used M1400 with keyboards for about $184 on Ebay. They keyboard can be detached and placed on the front of the tablet to protect the LCD.
The duo cores are about 700-800 dollars.
Wacom Intuos are about $200 and up. Starting from S-L
Cintiqs are $999 and up.
So I don't know if you have to be rich per say. Considering the Motion tablets are also built with wifi, bluetooth and usb ports with the addition of running dual monitors. I dunno if this is really a bad deal.
No, all tablet pcs that use Wacom digitizers except that Axiotron Modbook (512) have 256 levels of pressure sensitivity.
From what I know, humans normally can't differentiate levels of sensitivity after 256. What makes the higher levels better to have once you enter 512 and 1024 is the transition from one pressure level to the other is smoother than 256. They pick up the variations better so, lines and opacity changes are crispy smooth, whereas with 256 levels you can still notice in your line a slight marginal difference when the pressure changes. If you are sketching or painting, this won't make a huge difference, especially nowadays with more art geared programs like Painter, IllustStudio, PaintToolSai, etc that have line correction and such.
Because of that, higher levels "feel" more precise, more sensitive, but a lot of that has to do with the resolution of your tablet. The more it has, the more accurately it is picks up your strokes to your screen. Once you get to 2048, it's more for adjusting what levels of sensitivity you want, like if you prefer having a wide range of light strokes, rather than ever have darker ones, etc.
That's why in Shogmaster's video, the strokes are the same, but you can see that the Cintiq transitions between the levels more seamlessly.
Last edited by Zulee; May 12th, 2010 at 09:09 PM. Reason: Grammar
Well in programs like Painter and PS I know tilt sensitivity also can be a factor in drawing. From what I understand a program like Sketchbook Pro excels on Tablet PCs because it uses the other tabtip than Wacom's taptip.
I also hear this is better however, when you use Win7 or Vista, since it's supposed to deal with the windows tablet driver and wacom tablet driver conflict better.
Other pieces of advice is to use the Bamboo/Graphire drivers. Don't try for all the latest and greatest software since it was really made for desktops. If you have Photoshop CS (or Photoshop 7), use that on a Tablet PC instead of CS4. You just want the Brush dynamics and layer adjustments anyways. CS4 was made more for 3d and on the fly graphics rotation. The slate you can simply turn around.
If you can get all the drivers in, Win7 tends to work really well with the tablets. You just install it as 32 bit.
Other recommendations I've seen was to get the gaming pad or mini usb keyboard if you need all your shortcuts.
I visited this thread on getting more info on the LE models. The person was using the LE1700 which I've mentioned the price drops for used ones on ebay. The J3400 is the newest model and over $2000 or you can get the medical f5/c5 tablet.
Nice, like the artwork of the reviewer, from what I've seen here and on that forum seems like a very capable tablet PC.
nice device you got there, great sketches by the way, i can find this usefull to sketch in colors, but to sketch in black and white its pointless, i mean you can grab markers and pens and easier, not worrying about bateries, but with colors thats a whole new thing.
Thanxsfor showing this, yeah ipad was a deception.
There are no such things as bad art, just tight deadlines.
Because it's a less of a pain in the ass to scan and clean it up. With the wireless option you can just transfer your digital sketch to the main computer.
I often transfer stuff from my laptop to my dekstop this way. It's SO nice instead of having to scan, move to usb hdd and then desktop.
LE1700 has only 256 levels of sensitivity. I use a Cintiq 21x at work.
You can feel the difference BUT it wont affect your work. You can do as much quality work on this as on a Cintiq. I would say that to finalize a Zbrush model and rendering or even finelly detailed photoshop work you need another computer, but just because you get no keyboard with this.
But for my freelance illustration work or the zbrush scrulpture you saw, i can do everything without any aditional computer or sofware (and life drawing on digital medium is just another level completely)
I'll also add, it has wireless so I do all my work using www.dropbox.com (syncs my computer with a online server).
This allows me to import any work ive done at any time into the big computer for renders and cleanup without needing external hard drives or Usb keys.
Also the sketchbook pro and paint tool sai sketching difference has nothing to do with the pressure sensitivity. The concept artists at my work use it just because of this.
I dont know if its the algorithm or the opengl or whatever but its amazingly smooth and it simulates the falloff that a pencil does. You cant do it in photoshop or painter. Ofcourse there is a drawback, Sai or Skeetchbook are very lightweight and dont have even 10% of all the other features the big ones have, but for starting a drawing is perfect for me, when its time to refine the I switch to one of those.
But please try it out, I couldnt believe until I actually sketched on both, its a huuuge difference.
Castor is dropbox for when you're on the go, like away from your Desk and not on the same network? I mean if you got 2 windows machines, you just create a workgroup as long as they're sharing the same connection.
I also heard using the Gaming pad works real well with the devices or a tiny usb keyboard. http://www.amazon.com/Super-Mini-USB...dp/B000BSLU28/
I think when he (Portus) was talking about Sai earlier he meant the cursor lag - that's resolvable with the tabtip tamer since the handwriting recognition exe and wacom's exe duke it out causing the lag.
Congrats! I've been using my LE for about 3 years and have never looked back. Sketchbook Pro has changed my life, the package and screen input work so well together that it is my choice on the studio Cintiq too.
The only benefit of the cintiq over the LE is the colour quality of the monitor and I do notice a slightly better feedback for painting on the cintiq.
If I had to make a choice it'd be the LE hands down! I love it!
Great sketches by the way.
Hey salaryman!!!! It was your original post about the Le1700 with some amazing sketches that made my final decision in buying it!!!
Awesome to see it all come full circle...
As for dropbox, its online storage, independently from your computer. You can synch as many computers as you want to this server, its like Perforce or SVN but on a personal level.
It also has revisions, so if you overwrite your file or delete it, it keeps different older versions on the server in case you make a mistake
Check the website, they are really clear explaining the concept.