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    I'm "new", haven't drawn since high school, and can't draw a circle.

    Okay, so I realize that these types of threads are probably the least liked, but I don't really know where else to start. I checked out the NEW HERE? SPEAK UP! - a beginner's guide thread and saw that for questions about "art, drawing techniques, etc." to look here. I've done some searches but that hasn't really helped a lot...probably because I'm not too sure what I should search for. Plus, this forum is HUGE! It can be a bit overwhelming as lame as that may sound.

    So here's the deal, I really really want to draw. I can't explain it any better than that. I don't really have anything specifically that I want to be able to do. Do I wish I could make money off of drawing? Who doesn't. But I'd like to just be able to sketch something and it look remotely like what I was trying to draw. I used to draw way back in middle and high school but I didn't have the appreciation for it that I do now and I never kept it up. Now, I try picking up a pencil, try to draw anything and it's like the pencil and paper are laughing at me. I feel like I can't even draw a circle. (Yes, I've tried.) And I'm a bit of a perfectionist so it's basically like I'm my own worst enemy.

    I've never been the best at learning entirely on my own. In other words, when I have a teacher, instructions, or just a little direction I do a lot better than when I try to do something like this on my own. However, due to some major health problems I've had, I literally have no money to spend on any classes at the moment. What I do have is free time because of having been sick. So I got that going for me.

    Where does anyone recommend I start? I've tried a couple of books, but it seems like I always end up where I started...trying to draw a circle and hating it.

    I would greatly appreciate any advice at all. Even if it's just something like "Go look at this other person's thread".

    Thanks for taking the time to read all this.

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    Just draw anything that's lying around. You're going to draw a load of crap to start with because you are so rusty. Learn to really look at things and don't guess.

    Why waste time on drawing a circle if you're not ready for it? There is no exam for you to pass. You have to train your hand-eye co-ordination to improve and that comes with practice. Start a SB here and post your attempts, comment on others to get some feed back. Listen to what you're ready to learn and leave the rest for later. And have some fun doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonsushi View Post
    Plus, this forum is HUGE! It can be a bit overwhelming as lame as that may sound.
    Oh no, this place is huge & daunting at first. Even the FAQ's are pumped full of information. But you'll get used to the place in time.

    Anyways, I'm kind of in the same boat. I took 10 years off drawing and recently started again. You lose a lot when you go a while without practicing, eh?

    Perfectionism is just something you're going to have to get over. I'm learning that myself. If you don't you're going to spend your time beating yourself up and getting discouraged early on when you're still learning.

    I don't know any good threads here yet, exams have been taking up all my time. And I'm not sure on books either. I'm sure many others here can point out some good ones though. However a couple things I have started doing are:

    1) Are you in a post-secondary school with an art department? I went to the chair of the arts dept at my college with pretty much the same question you have on "Where do I start?" and he said it was a shame that I'm graduating this year (I'm not an art student, I'm in IT) because he would have let me sit in on the art classes whenever I had time. Might be something you could look into.

    2) Draw everything you see. That dude sitting at the bus stop, the coffee cup on your desk, it doesn't matter what it is, just try and draw it. I carry a sketch book with me, and while waiting for the bus or w/e I'll pull it out and just start drawing. People, things, whatever.

    3) In my city, the art gallery offers weekend courses for cheap. Like $170 (CAD) for adults. You mentioned not having money right now, but it's something you might look into in the future.

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    Correction: Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Don't remember who it's by). I picked this up for like $20 at my college's book store. Haven't had a chance to really dive into it, but just from skimming through it I found a lot of useful information.

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    Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Don't remember who it's by).
    It's by Betty Edwards. Yes, that's a pretty good one to start with if you're starting from absolute zero. Maybe try starting with that, and then see what drawing books are in your library, and try all of them (some may be useful, some may not be, but it could be a cheap way to get started, anyhow.)

    There's a bunch of essential books listed here, too, though not all beginner-level: http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=152626

    I always end up where I started...trying to draw a circle and hating it.
    Why in the world are you trying to draw a circle? Most artists can't draw "perfect circles" anyway, they use a compass or a circle template or something.

    Instead of trying to draw perfect circles (an exercise in futility), you'd be better off trying to draw things around you. Maybe start with very simple still life exercises (just an apple or a banana or something, simple shapes to start with.) Then move on to drawing everything else (people, landscapes, buildings, animals, etc.) Yes, your first efforts will be dreadful, but you shouldn't worry about making a perfect picture yet, just keep drawing. And drawing. Eventually it'll get better, but give it time, you won't see instant improvement.

    If the main problem with getting started is motivation and struggling with perfectionism, then maybe the FIRST thread you need to check out is the motivation thread - this one here: http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=138102

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    Perfection is the enemy; you know what perfection is good for? Nothing. It is simply something standing between you and doing/finishing something. Itís an imposable, not very well defined, piece of rubbish that needs to be laid to rest.

    Now stop drawing circles and lamenting over the failure and draw something else. Youíre going to fail, itís simply going to happen, and sometimes itís going to end pretty badly. Itís not the end of the world, itís not even a minored setback, itís just dealing with something you canít really do yet. You just have to work through it until you finally come out with something that doesnít look half bad. Just donít expect too much from yourself too soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QueenGwenevere View Post



    Why in the world are you trying to draw a circle? Most artists can't draw "perfect circles" anyway, they use a compass or a circle template or something.

    Instead of trying to draw perfect circles (an exercise in futility), you'd be better off trying to draw things around you. Maybe start with very simple still life exercises (just an apple or a banana or something, simple shapes to start with.) Then move on to drawing everything else (people, landscapes, buildings, animals, etc.) Yes, your first efforts will be dreadful, but you shouldn't worry about making a perfect picture yet, just keep drawing. And drawing. Eventually it'll get better, but give it time, you won't see instant improvement.
    While I agree that trying to draw a PERFECT circle is stupid, I do think practicing drawing circles can be a very good exercise in hand and line control. The best artists can all draw circles freehand. No, they won't be perfect circles, but they'll look pretty close.

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    I think drawing circles is actually a really good exercise. Being able to draw good ellipses will help with practically everything. The trick to it is to draw from the arm and shoulder instead of the wrist and fingers.

    I'd also argue that perfectionism isn't necessarily something you want to eliminate.

    You don't need classes. I think the single best piece of drawing advice I've heard was from Marko Djurdjevic, who said something to the effect of 'look at good art, see what makes it better than yours, and work on that.'

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    I wrote this little "guide" for easy copypasta help on DA, but it's probably applicable here.

    more often than not, it just takes a lot of study; copying what you want to see as accurately as you can, thinking about what you're drawing, figuring out how to correct your errors.

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    Discouraging yourself enough will make it easier NOT to even begin again. I drew pretty badly in high school and got laughed at for it. I stopped drawing on paper for about 3 years from that! (got into digital art though...I guess the change was needed!) It was gruelling to get back into drawing on paper despite the fear. But it was WELL worth it.

    Some were saying drawing a (perfect) circle is pretty much futile. I'm sure drawing a straight line could be too, but as others said, that kind of practice can be very helpful. It'll help you with confidence in just letting your arm flow and getting SOMETHING on paper. It's fine, you can do it, and there are sections like Tips and Tutorials, References and Inspiration, Mentoring in CA. Even using our Search for something that grabs your interest might help steer you in the right direction!

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    I'd also argue that perfectionism isn't necessarily something you want to eliminate.
    Although there's a difference between perfectionism that drives you to improve, and perfectionism that causes you to give up before you even start. The first kind is good, the second kind is crippling. Try to develop the good kind of perfectionism.

    Some were saying drawing a (perfect) circle is pretty much futile. I'm sure drawing a straight line could be too, but as others said, that kind of practice can be very helpful.
    It might be a tolerable exercise, UNLESS it becomes an obsession. Slaving away trying to draw a perfect freehand circle while ignoring everything else is not going to get anyone very far. And trying to start with perfect circles and then despairing and giving up because they aren't perfect is also going to get you nowhere. There are more useful ways to start, really...

    (Not to harp or anything, it's just that the whole "perfect circle" thing is a pet peeve of mine. I'm sure it comes from the myth that "a true artist can draw a perfect circle", and I'm not sure where that myth came from, but it's absurd and potentially misleading. I swear, I wish I had a dollar for every time I've seen a beginner lamenting that they'll never get anywhere because they "can't draw a perfect circle"...)

    (Ironically, another myth I've heard is the exact opposite: "true artists can't draw a straight line." Who comes up with these things anyway?)

    The "perfect circle" thing might come from an apocryphal story about Giotto, now I think of it... and although he was supposed to be able to draw perfect circles, everything else he drew was pretty stiff and primitive by modern standards. So, really - would you rather be able to draw convincing people, or perfect circles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Rainville View Post
    I wrote this little "guide" for easy copypasta help on DA, but it's probably applicable here.
    Sometimes a fresh set of eyes will detect things in 2 minutes that youíve failed to see with your hours of work.

    This right here.

    Few months back I finished a drawing and was all "This is awesome! I managed to capture the emotion perfectly! This is by far the best thing I've done and it's great!"

    Then some dude went "The hairline is messed up." and I was like "...How did I not see that?"

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    kay, here's the deal. i'm 14 years old, turning 15 in like 2 months. i'm in grade 8. and i LOVE art. but i suck at it, can't even draw a cube properlly... and we had this art project, and i was just going on the internet to find some webs that might give me some ideas. n i found this one, it's AMAZING! i can't believe that people could draw this good. i asked my dad if i could go to an art class or something, to improve my "art skills," but he said "oh, you can't go, cause at the age of 14, almost 15, it's too late to learn anything new, so just stick with what you're doing right now." n i dun know wat to do or where to start. n since you guys have YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS of experience, just wondering if someone coould help me. XD

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