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Thread: Updated! The art of the feminine form with Manley/Zhanglu NOW ON DEMAND!!!

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    Unfortunately my finals start at Monday, but as far as I understand, if I register now, I can watch this later even if I miss the live stream? If yes, I will surely not miss this!
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    50 bucks is a great price for Zhang Lu's art and teachings from Manley. I have always enjoyed Jason's classes so I'm definetly in on this one. I will have to catch it on demand though; my daughters b-day party is Sunday at 1pm. Thanks for the class...been missin' em
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    Quote Originally Posted by monsi View Post
    It's a pity, this class starts at 3 AM on Monday morning for me. I might try and make it anyway. Otherwise, as far as I understand, I can watch it later "On Demand"? I haven't used these new live forum feeds before, so I'm completely unfamiliar with how it works. I'm hoping this is the case.

    I'm curious - how long after the live class are the videos available to view?

    I'm pretty excited about this. Zhang Lu is easily my favourite digital artist, and very close to being my favourite all time artist at the moment. Since figurative work is my primary interest, I think this is going to be just brilliant!

    Thanks !
    It has usually been 30days after the live class that one is able to watch the recorded version (which is identical to the live, except for the ability to ask your own questions). This new class streaming system is super easy, and much better than the ones they used in the beginning, though if you encounter any problems you can just post me a PM and I'll be happy to try and guide you through it

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    Quote Originally Posted by yousefN View Post
    Unfortunately my finals start at Monday, but as far as I understand, if I register now, I can watch this later even if I miss the live stream? If yes, I will surely not miss this!
    Yes if you miss it you can watch it later on. Even if you are running a little late, you can jump in middle of session and catch the beginning later on. For round about 30days.

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    There are so many things I want to say, but all of them effectively mean Zhanglu is AMAZING and I will definitely be there. You couldn't pay me to stay away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soros View Post
    I don't want to pay for a product, which is (maybe) not allways available (for watching again). I think it might be much cheaper. It is NOT ONLY 50 bucks for a "cinema ticket". I think download would be better and I would maybe buy it as Download. So I am out as a customer of this.
    I completely agree. The topic is fine but what are these streaming classes anyway? I really don't get it. I have tried to look into some of the earlier streaming classes but the links found around the forum are not providing much info and not even a preview of some of the streaming classes on demand. $ 50 is a steep price to be following a class once over the internet at an awkward time for those who isn't in the same time zone (I'm in Denmark). It would be perfectly okay if it's was a live event where I could be there in person and the instructor could give some feedback to your own technique etc.

    I have bought most of the downloads on digital painting but I think the streaming stuff is to expensive considering that you apparently only have one chance to watch it and because it's very hard to judge what you get before you join a streaming class.

    I know my reservations could be based upon lack of or faulty information. Can somebody please describe what is a streaming class. What is the product I'm buying?...

    Nice paintings, by the way...
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    Wow, I'm totally blown away by Zhanglu's work every single time. Absolutely stunning. What a privilege, that he's doing this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Locke View Post
    I completely agree. The topic is fine but what are these streaming classes anyway? I really don't get it. I have tried to look into some of the earlier streaming classes but the links found around the forum are not providing much info and not even a preview of some of the streaming classes on demand. $ 50 is a steep price to be following a class once over the internet at an awkward time for those who isn't in the same time zone (I'm in Denmark). It would be perfectly okay if it's was a live event where I could be there in person and the instructor could give some feedback to your own technique etc.

    I have bought most of the downloads on digital painting but I think the streaming stuff is to expensive considering that you apparently only have one chance to watch it and because it's very hard to judge what you get before you join a streaming class.

    I know my reservations could be based upon lack of or faulty information. Can somebody please describe what is a streaming class. What is the product I'm buying?...

    Nice paintings, by the way...
    Streaming classes are like real classes except they are filmed and streamed over the internet. This allows the instructors to draw or show slides at the same time as they explain and teach the students (us). Alongside the streaming window there is a chatwindow where you can type to alle the students, and the instructors. You can raise your hand to ask questions, type them up or use mic to ask instructors.

    These classes are recorded so that you can watch it later (called on demand). Not only is the instructorswindow recorded, but the chat and everything! Meaning that if you miss out on the class, you can later on watch the on demand as many times as you want for 30 days. This has been my case very often, seeing I work a lot and awkward times for me too (Norway). I feel I have never missed out, because you get to hear the Q&A of the students and instructors on demand too.

    50$ is pretty good price for watching a class as many times as you want for 30 days. Trust me. I haven't once felt ripped off.

    Any more questions just ask here, or via PM

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    Quote Originally Posted by hisako View Post
    when do we get to explore the male figure?
    Might be the next class
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    I really love those female forms, and I very much appreciate this workshop, but I have a very vital question because especially recently I am starting to think that this industry wants me to turn into a lesbian:

    Will there be some workshops for... erm... "honoring the male form" in the future, too?

    I am not speaking about the "safe" zone that I am seeing too often that tries to market men as good as possible and produces even too much art that is horrible, because it "tries" to attend the target group women for instance but horribly fails because, as said, it is only a try because the ones doing it don't believe that men can "sell" well, too. And so they truely all stick to women and give men only a sideview.

    So what about the men? What about people that aren't into girls, and would love to practice painting handsome - not "gay", not strangely "overdone", not "safe zone guys" - but handsome freely expressed manliness I say, handsome guys that really attract all viewers that are into men?

    Yes? No? Will it come sometime this year or the next one? Pleaaase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azurelle View Post
    I really love those female forms, and I very much appreciate this workshop, but I have a very vital question because especially recently I am starting to think that this industry wants me to turn into a lesbian:

    Will there be some workshops for... erm... "honoring the male form" in the future, too?

    I am not speaking about the "safe" zone that I am seeing too often that tries to market men as good as possible and produces even too much art that is horrible, because it "tries" to attend the target group women for instance but horribly fails because, as said, it is only a try because the ones doing it don't believe that men can "sell" well, too. And so they truely all stick to women and give men only a sideview.

    So what about the men? What about people that aren't into girls, and would love to practice painting handsome - not "gay", not strangely "overdone", not "safe zone guys" - but handsome freely expressed manliness I say, handsome guys that really attract all viewers that are into men?

    Yes? No? Will it come sometime this year or the next one? Pleaaase.
    I find this question totally legit! And even though I cannot answer for MB, I can totally see one coming. Just like the downloads, first female portraits, then male. So I guess we should just cross our fingers
    The male body after all, is just as interesting as the female body. (in a non homosexual manner )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Manley View Post
    A. Zhanglu did the paintings. The class will consist of these images in demonstration form, along with a series of beautiful images from art history and photography to illustrate the major points.
    What kind of major points? And can I assume that demonstration form means he does the buildup much like he did the "faces" download?
    B. We will be discussing everything from structure to anatomy to posing and body language, to methods used to create inner character, idealization, overcoming cliche, and more...We will discuss process, and theory as related to the female figure in order to help artists to better create from life and imagination. Understanding the female form and how to communicate with it, is of the most important things in the field of concept design, illustration, video games, film, and fine art. This is going to be a great class.
    How will structure and anatomy be discussed? Will you give examples on how to simplify the form when drawing the figure by overlaying basic shapes on top of photographs? Or is it a simple referral to hogarth books? Will the anatomy be shown on livemodels as with the anatomy livestream by mr vandruff or is it just on which books to buy?
    E. We have some beautiful things coming. I updated the thread with some examples of the works I will be discussing, along with the video demonstrations.
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    F. At time Zhanglu will gather reference for things like hands, or feet, or a particular face. Other times he works from imagination purely. I will ask for some ref, if he still has it.
    So this is like the previous one where he worked without a livemodel?
    Am I wrong to assume this isn't analytical modeldrawing then?
    You know, how to cope with a moving model, how to measure, check proportions and alike?

    And is it analytical, constructional or visual figuredrawing he will explain?

    Cheers.
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    There will be a variety of topics covered Hyskoa. There will be no live models present however. I am using a beautiful batch of artwork, professional photographs, and the video demonstrations I had ZhangLu create specifically for this class. We are discussing the female form, expression, body language, anatomical suggestion, idealization, and many more important areas of art theory as related to creating impactful images.
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