There are so many things I want to say, but all of them effectively mean Zhanglu is AMAZING and I will definitely be there. You couldn't pay me to stay away.
I have bought most of the downloads on digital painting but I think the streaming stuff is to expensive considering that you apparently only have one chance to watch it and because it's very hard to judge what you get before you join a streaming class.
I know my reservations could be based upon lack of or faulty information. Can somebody please describe what is a streaming class. What is the product I'm buying?...
Nice paintings, by the way...
Last edited by Ben Locke; April 29th, 2010 at 12:15 PM.
Wow, I'm totally blown away by Zhanglu's work every single time. Absolutely stunning. What a privilege, that he's doing this!
These classes are recorded so that you can watch it later (called on demand). Not only is the instructorswindow recorded, but the chat and everything! Meaning that if you miss out on the class, you can later on watch the on demand as many times as you want for 30 days. This has been my case very often, seeing I work a lot and awkward times for me too (Norway). I feel I have never missed out, because you get to hear the Q&A of the students and instructors on demand too.
50$ is pretty good price for watching a class as many times as you want for 30 days. Trust me. I haven't once felt ripped off.
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I really love those female forms, and I very much appreciate this workshop, but I have a very vital question because especially recently I am starting to think that this industry wants me to turn into a lesbian:
Will there be some workshops for... erm... "honoring the male form" in the future, too?
I am not speaking about the "safe" zone that I am seeing too often that tries to market men as good as possible and produces even too much art that is horrible, because it "tries" to attend the target group women for instance but horribly fails because, as said, it is only a try because the ones doing it don't believe that men can "sell" well, too. And so they truely all stick to women and give men only a sideview.
So what about the men? What about people that aren't into girls, and would love to practice painting handsome - not "gay", not strangely "overdone", not "safe zone guys" - but handsome freely expressed manliness I say, handsome guys that really attract all viewers that are into men?
Yes? No? Will it come sometime this year or the next one? Pleaaase.
The male body after all, is just as interesting as the female body. (in a non homosexual manner )
How will structure and anatomy be discussed? Will you give examples on how to simplify the form when drawing the figure by overlaying basic shapes on top of photographs? Or is it a simple referral to hogarth books? Will the anatomy be shown on livemodels as with the anatomy livestream by mr vandruff or is it just on which books to buy?B. We will be discussing everything from structure to anatomy to posing and body language, to methods used to create inner character, idealization, overcoming cliche, and more...We will discuss process, and theory as related to the female figure in order to help artists to better create from life and imagination. Understanding the female form and how to communicate with it, is of the most important things in the field of concept design, illustration, video games, film, and fine art. This is going to be a great class.thank you.E. We have some beautiful things coming. I updated the thread with some examples of the works I will be discussing, along with the video demonstrations.So this is like the previous one where he worked without a livemodel?F. At time Zhanglu will gather reference for things like hands, or feet, or a particular face. Other times he works from imagination purely. I will ask for some ref, if he still has it.
Am I wrong to assume this isn't analytical modeldrawing then?
You know, how to cope with a moving model, how to measure, check proportions and alike?
And is it analytical, constructional or visual figuredrawing he will explain?
There will be a variety of topics covered Hyskoa. There will be no live models present however. I am using a beautiful batch of artwork, professional photographs, and the video demonstrations I had ZhangLu create specifically for this class. We are discussing the female form, expression, body language, anatomical suggestion, idealization, and many more important areas of art theory as related to creating impactful images.
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From what I've seen of Zhanglu's male figures, he handles them just as beautifully as his females. I would absolutely love to see male versions of these kinds of portraits.
wow guys! awezome!
This is exactly what I want! But I don't know if I can do the $50.00 fee for this.
Plus, I'll be pretty busy during this weekend, and this would likely be something I'd want to reference not just this month, but throughout the year or more.
How relevant would the workshop be to someone like me who still works in traditional media and has no plans to go digital?
Ah sadly I am gonna work some overtime on Sunday to save for going back to art school so no real time for me But I think I am gonna pay so I can check out the stream. Purchased the two Zhang downloads the other night, and just watched the female one tonight, such good insight on ways of thinking about more than just the looks of the female / model, but also the attitude or swagger that the person radiates. Good stuff as usual, got me thinking. Gonna paint now and see what I can do. I suggest buying the Zhang downloads, very cheap, and the info priceless.
Thank you Jason for quoting me!
These online classes seem to be very afordable, so I will keep my eyes open and my fingers crossed for one on men to come, too.
Not to mention being able to communicate LIVE with your instructor and ask questions.
Oh man, I loved the Manley/Zhanglu female portraiture video. Those teaser images look spectacular. I really want to attend this class, but don't think I can drop the cash right now...
On the bright side...that's because I just signed up for a figure drawing class in May. So at least it's not a total loss I guess.
Who know's though...maybe I'll splurge and treat myself to a nice Sunday of art.
@ Hive mind and all: Does anyone know, how I can record the "recorded Stream"?
Will the streaming be via Flash? In which resolution will it be provided? (How fast do I have to be able to download (kbit / second)?
Resolution... hmm entire screen, though you can resize smaller or bigger. Iīve tried it on my iMac, and laptop never had any problems.
Not too sure about the internet specifics, but Iīm in Norway, using wireless internet. Still havenīt had any problems with connection.
I vote for a good man study too most life models seem to be women, I need to practice my male anatomy.
zou Bummer! Does that mean you can't get any of the downloads either?
The idea of on demand delivery is to keep people from recording the content!
The on demand classes make a lot of sense, they offer great content, an inexpensive price, the ability to communicate with the instructors and there is no limitations on how often you can view them. Plus the technology provider Elluminate offers a great product, it creates a classroom environment and allows much more flexibility than a recorded download!
I hope you give the new on demand classes a chance, they are excellent!
Might be, that the streaming is a possibility to share questions DURING the session. But that doesn't count for streaming AFTER the live session. Let the customer decide, what he wants. If you start a poll here, everyone or I bet 80 percent minumum would vote for a DOWNLOAD instead of a possibility to RELOAD it again via Streaming. (the idea to force the customer had never worked - even apples iTunes had to change to sell to a bigger market)
I would have bought it also as a download and after the live session you'll sell better. No one knows, how long your server and even the company who shares the streaming will be alive and make sure that the content will be available via streaming. That's my humble opinion. Blame me if you want for not respecting the wish of "keeping the recording away". The fear behind that won't push your sales. If you decide to sell it as a download, let me know or add it to the shop. Maybe I'll see a commercial part of the video on youtube and buy it in the shop, but definitely NOT as a stream (I am sleeping during the time of the live session).
Now to the rest:
I shared your concerns too before, but the fact is you get much more info via streaming class than download. And that comes from me, who has busted my ass at work to be able to purchase almost every download MB has sold. And I do not regret it. But these streaming classes are way more packed than the downloads.
And if your only concern is that you wont be there live, and feel you will be missing out: I have only attended one class live, Jon Foster on illustrating a book cover, the rest I have watched lateron, on demand. - and I have never felt like I have missed out. Because you get to see all the Q&A of the others that were there live. And you learn tons.
Now, if MB was still using the older streaming software which they started off with, then I would most likely have kept my mouth shut, but the fact is, the software they are using now is... something else.
Obviously it is your choice, but seeing you have not even given it a chance, I feel a certain need to share my own insight in the matter. But now it is all out. Any more questions, it is just to ask.