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    Thumbs up The Penvirate's Sketchbook - "No one fucks around with our art."

    To: CyGear .::. Diarum .::. Kamber Parrk .::. PermaNoob

    This sketchbook is made for the 5 members of our team: CyGear, Diarum, Kamber Parrk, PermaNoob and myself.

    We intend to do a group sketch and post them here, either once or twice a month, or more. Sketches and drawings will be based on a commonly-agreed theme.

    Details have yet to be finalized, but will unfold in time to come.

    We thrive on the concept of being loose and fun. Life is serious and harsh as it is, we don't need more of it! In this team, everything is open and transparent. If anyone is not happy with anything, we post them here in the open for discussion and votes. That's what real men do!

    Good day!
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    Yes! it's up. just a quick comment before i go to bed. i like the name Penvirate. i vote we keep it. if we do, Xeon you should PM us with the bb code to add it to our signatures. im sure we could put it together for ourselves but i am just too lazy LOL. So Xeon, how were you thinking about doing this? did you want to post a theme with timeframe and do individual sketches? did you want to do collab sketches? both? i am game for anything.
    Cheers Mates,
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    woot this is gonna be AWESOME, man I am so pumped right now I can barely type right now. The "sons of the renaissance" sounds super cool, but really Cheesy at the same time. lol I don't know what to say other then awesome, only think I can really say. My head is rushing. the once or twice a month is good for me because my scan periods are very random. First theme should be what we would look like together as action figure or comic book heroes or something I don't know its an Idea

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    Penvirate
    Just quote me and you should see it.

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    Yo Team!

    I'd say we should rotate the decision as to what to draw-- just go in order of the Penvirate roster. If anyone has a problem with the "assignment"-- post a protest-- others can then give feedback/input-- otherwise, the "assignment" governs.

    The "assignments" should be reasonable to keep the aggravation/procrastination level low! (No 50 man battle scenes from "Brave Heart.") Just simple, useful things that are good learning drills that can be handled in 15 to 20 minutes. [Though, if you want to spend a half-day doing a super good job just to embarass the rest of us-- well, good for you.]

    We can mix up the assignments: general assignments like "draw a dog" or "draw your favorite cup." And, specific assignments like "draw the skull" on page X of Bridgman's _________. I suppose the decider could even post a specific ref picture in the thread for us all to work from.

    Well, those are my ideas. Anyone else?

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    These should be the rules of the SB


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    Ok, guys! Gimme up to this Friday or so.
    Been very busy this week and got screwed by my bosses. LOL

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    Kamber Parrk this sounds like a good system, i like it.

    Diarum LOL, i support this.

    Xeon_OND that's cool. this week is passover so i am gonna be pretty busy myself, this week and all through the weekend. but by next monday my schedule should be back to "normal".

    everybody thanks for inviting me to be a part of this by the way. i am very excited about what we will accomplish together.

    cheers,
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    Ok, guys, some updates!

    Kamber has a good suggestion. We'll suggest themes to draw, based on the rooster.

    1) If no one has any problems, the rooster will be as follows:

    i) Xeon
    ii) Kamber
    iii) Diarum
    iv) PermaNoob
    v) CyGear (the last I heard, it's spring now and he's outdoors playing LOL! )

    So, for the 1st drawing, it will be as follows:

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    #1 SELF PORTRAIT
    - Draw a self-portrait of yourself. It can be a profile, straight-on face or a 3/4 view.

    - U can use any media, including human waste if you're able to handle that (but no abstract art :p)

    - You can be imaginative and add cigars, scars or crap onto your face if you want.

    - This is not a drawing competition, so nobody will laugh at anyone! Doesn't matter if you never did any self portrait before; my own self-portrait sucks big-time. It's good to have fun once in a while.

    - The main reason why this first drawing is a self-portrait is so i) a novel way to introduce ourselves and ii) I'll be putting all our self portraits into our banner

    - Best by : 15 Apr 2010
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    For the team's poster, as you can see in the 1st's post (attachment), if anyone has any comments on changing it, pls post them here!
    The empty space in the poster is for putting all our self-portraits there side by side.
    I've also edited the 1st post a bit.

    LOL, ok. Now, gimme your views.

    Good day!
    Xeon

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    Sooooorrrryyyyy

    Hey Mates,
    I am so sorry....
    This idea of a sketchbook group is awesome. I was so surprised while reading your posts and all this suggestions.
    Sorry that I was not online but I had really much to do.
    So, I would like to apologize and ask you what the fuck is going on....XD....

    Firstly, I want to say that if you do not understand me because of my terrible english ask for another different formulation . Then, I read our theme and .....What?.......self-portrait?....sounds awesome.....
    Especially the sense behind it.
    This is gonna to be crazy as Diarum said...I am so excited and inspired....wohuuuuuu
    So I look around and then going to draw.....

    CyGear

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    lol CyGear theres nothing wrong with your English, so don't worry about it lol.

    I was think about this whole SB thing and to make it more productive and to get the most out of it, I thought that instead of say like "that looks awesome..ect" we keep positive comments to a minimum and have like a two to one ratio of positive to Constructive criticism. So for everyone positive you have to give 2 Constructive criticism.

    I say this because we can keep to our own Sb and get positive things but this is more then just saying "hey good job" its about being honest with each other. And you get A LOT more out of CC then just saying Good job.

    Self portrait sounds good, nothing really to say for it lol, so are we gonna have like died lines so we can keep everyone in the same range of updating?

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    Question

    I have question about the self-portrait.
    Should the picture have the same colour like our poster or could it be every colour....I ask that because I would like to draw on normal paper....nothing special.
    And should I write something beside my head or what is going after we have drawn the self-portraits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyGear View Post
    I have question about the self-portrait.
    Should the picture have the same colour like our poster or could it be every colour....I ask that because I would like to draw on normal paper....nothing special.
    And should I write something beside my head or what is going after we have drawn the self-portraits?

    CyGear
    Yes it should be all in the same color, a dark color would be better since its easy to see. It should be the head and neck

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    Pic

    Colour.....
    Which shall I use?
    Is a brown background ok? And white lines?
    With different shades etc?
    Well, I think I will use OC for it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyGear View Post
    Colour.....
    Which shall I use?
    Is a brown background ok? And white lines?
    With different shades etc?
    Well, I think I will use OC for it....

    CyGear
    Yea that should be fine, shading should be fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diarum View Post
    I was think about this whole SB thing and to make it more productive and to get the most out of it, I thought that instead of say like "that looks awesome..ect" we keep positive comments to a minimum and have like a two to one ratio of positive to Constructive criticism. So for everyone positive you have to give 2 Constructive criticism.
    Ok, guys, we will do the above! Bear this in mind.

    Self portrait sounds good, nothing really to say for it lol, so are we gonna have like died lines so we can keep everyone in the same range of updating?
    Yeah, we all post the self-portrait here on 15 Apr (a day earlier or so is ok).

    Quote Originally Posted by CyGear View Post
    I have question about the self-portrait. Should the picture have the same colour like our poster or could it be every colour....I ask that because I would like to draw on normal paper....nothing special.
    And should I write something beside my head or what is going after we have drawn the self-portraits?
    Which shall I use?
    Is a brown background ok? And white lines?
    With different shades etc?
    Well, I think I will use OC for it....
    Nah, portrait can be anything. This is about your own style and who you are. You can draw on gold plates using a white marker, or on newprint, or on A4 paper using pencil, anything. Once the portraits are posted, I'll resize them and post in the team poster.

    Now, draw!

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    nice we've got our first assignment! good idea Xeon this should be both challenging and informative. i can't think of a better way to get to know each other! this will be my first self portrait so im a bit nervous. i like the idea about comments and crits. i feel like this can be a place where we can be honest and helpful with each other and not feel bad about it on either end. with that said, here we go...

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    My Self-Portrait

    Well, I have already finished my Self-Portrait today altough I intended to do it next week, whatever.
    So, I think it is ok and if I try to change anything I will destroy it, surely.
    And do not think I would look exactly like this....especially the colour of my skin.....XD
    Hey wait, I look like an asian men....

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    LOL, the deadline is 15 Apr and yours is out today?!
    Seriously, though, it's even better than I thought! Just color the skin in pinkish-white and you'll look like a Caucasian.

    I'm gonna get a 2nd mirror tomorrow to try to do a 3/4 view.

    See you guys and happy weekend! No hurry to draw!
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    well guys, here it is. mah self portrait. it is far from great but im kinda tired of messing with it so i guess this is as good as it's gonna get this time. Xeon this was a really great project. i feel like i pushed myself in many different ways on this one. this is my first ever self portrait and also my first finished painting. i learned a lot about using life reference (i used a mirror) and also about painting. this project helped me to identify areas where i can begin to start working towards improvement. all in all, great exercise, great fun.

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    Well, here it be. SP (HB General's Charcoal pencil on newsprint). This was originally a study for a comic style SP to be inked on Bristol. But, I liked it well enough and got lazy. . .

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    Damn! Everyone's portraits look so good! Seems that Diarum and me are the only ones who haven't posted yet (it's ironic I'm the one who started this)

    I promise to post my self-portrait on this Saturday (17 Apr), because there's so much happening in my life now and I'm gasping for air!

    As atonement, I'll do 2 pieces of the next project!

    And hurry up too, Diarum!

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    Lol it will be uploaded on the 15th(on the due date)

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    Per Xeon:

    1) If no one has any problems, the rooster will be as follows:

    i) Xeon
    ii) Kamber
    iii) Diarum
    iv) PermaNoob
    v) CyGear (the last I heard, it's spring now and he's outdoors playing LOL! )


    So. . .

    I've come up with your next assignment:

    General Assignment/Car: Draw a Ford Crown Victoria

    The "Crown Vic" is the universal vehicle of cops, taxi drivers, gang-bangers, creepy cop fetishists, and old ladies. . .

    Year, color, configuration-- all your choice.

    Due date? We'll shoot for the end of the month-- 2 projects a month seems doable. Then, Diarum, tag, you're "it" to decide the next one after 2 weeks. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamber Parrk View Post
    Per Xeon:

    1) If no one has any problems, the rooster will be as follows:

    i) Xeon
    ii) Kamber
    iii) Diarum
    iv) PermaNoob
    v) CyGear (the last I heard, it's spring now and he's outdoors playing LOL! )


    So. . .

    I've come up with your next assignment:

    General Assignment/Car: Draw a Ford Crown Victoria

    The "Crown Vic" is the universal vehicle of cops, taxi drivers, gang-bangers, creepy cop fetishists, and old ladies. . .

    Year, color, configuration-- all your choice.

    Due date? We'll shoot for the end of the month-- 2 projects a month seems doable. Then, Diarum, tag, you're "it" to decide the next one after 2 weeks. . .
    LOL, ok, so our next assignment is to draw the Ford Crown Victoria car? In that case, I'll do my self-portrait and 2x Ford Crown Victoria this weekend! Maybe 3 FCVs if I've the time.

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    lol alright so my plan failed really badly, a lot unforeseen things that happened like my scanner not work( well its not mine) but still my fag step dad had to move it to his computer which he didn't install the coper (its a 3 in 1) any who. Then my school self portrait wasn't on my flash drive. so I had to Email it to myself. So yeah here is my self portrait. though I have really short hair now. sorry this will not happen in the future lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diarum View Post
    lol alright so my plan failed really badly, a lot unforeseen things that happened like my scanner not work( well its not mine) but still my fag step dad had to move it to his computer which he didn't install the coper (its a 3 in 1) any who. Then my school self portrait wasn't on my flash drive. so I had to Email it to myself. So yeah here is my self portrait. though I have really short hair now. sorry this will not happen in the future lol.
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    You truly take the cake, Diarum! I never thought you would post such a style! LOL, in fact, when I looked at it, I thought it was some egyptian art, then I re-size it smaller and only then could I see the whole face.

    Anyway, here's my self-portrait with the best likeness so far compared to my previous portraits:


    And I've updated our banner too!

    Now, on to Kamber's project, the Ford Crown Victoria!

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    Excellent, we are now FIVE!

    (Oh, BTW, when I said 2 projects per month, I was alluding to the fact that Xeon set the first due w/i a 2 week time frame-- thus, my setting the FCV due date for the end of this month. So, you don't have to draw more than ONE Crown Vic-- though, if you want to draw a platoon of cops chasing a taxi that's about to crash into a Crown Vic full of old ladies on their way to church-- knock yer self out!)

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    LOL Xeon what is that in your mouth?!?! LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamber Parrk View Post
    So, you don't have to draw more than ONE Crown Vic-- though, if you want to draw a platoon of cops chasing a taxi that's about to crash into a Crown Vic full of old ladies on their way to church-- knock yer self out!)
    Nah, for my case, drawing 2 crown vics is a self-imposed punishment for posting in the portrait project late.
    Over here, we promote a culture of "self-imposed punishment".

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    LOL Xeon what is that in your mouth?!?! LOL
    LOL, it's a new pencil that hasn't been sharpened yet.
    The thing fell out of my mouth during the posing and I had to re-pose it. It was really a torture, because the saliva keep drooling down.

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