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Dude, don't worry about it so much, I know exaaaactly how you feel. you and I have the same problem of thinking too much and too hard about these sorts of things, and all it does is make one frustrated and/or depressed. Who cares if you can't find something unique or special right now? That's not why you started drawing, and that shouldn't be your focus, cause then youre overthinking it and will guaranteed come out contrived.
Sketching helps of course, and as do studies, doing activities and challenging yourself, all of which you're doing, and doing right. If there is anything on top of that that I would highly recommend its experimenting MORE, try to find a different method of doing what you do, if you cant find a different subject or something like that. Hell, try some 3D, switch up mediums, when you do the same thing day-in and day-out you stagnate, no matter how good you get at that one thing.
Im seeing some nice explorations in these sketches, some very familiar studies, and a few examples of trying far too hard.
Set aside a new sketchbook and designate it for failure. Go to a coffee shop/pub with the most unwieldly tool you have or can make that can make a mark on paper and have some fun. Just find a way of putting pressure off of yourself to imrpove/make good art/be unique/be like miyazaki/otomo/whomever and you'll have fun with it again.
Or at least that's how it works for me.
I think sir greensock has some good points but i think you should NEVER set aside a sketchbook or anything for failure, lol!! there's nothing wrong with messing things up so you can learn from it but i think if you are starting from the standpoint of "this drawing is either going to be a success or failure then already you are putting yourself in a hole- into 'precious' mode.
i think what might help is to draw from the standpoint of ' i am doing this because there is some quality about this subject that i really want to convey and because i know i'll enjoy doing it.' i think that can help, but everyone is different!
well i have a fwew things to say from personal experience and i think having been through a lot of it myself and having come out of it a stronger artist i think i should at least share some thoughts with you in case it might help (or not!!)I spend a lot of time getting frustrated and going crazy when im sketching
reflect on why you are sketching. is it for fun? is it for a future goal? sometimes i need to sketch something to study its qualities for a more finished drawing. or maybe its just to learn anatomy. It can be frustrating sometimes, but it shouldn't be frustrating "a lot" of the time.
if you are feeling really negative about you art, then maybe try going deeper into that feeling and look at why there are those fears. i often find the negative feelings and fears i face to be irrational constructs. i have analysed a lot of my own negative chatter and found it to be silly a lot of the time, and i realised the root of it all is fear. i think the way out is to love what you do because it is a force that is creative. and i speak from personal experience., ive put myself through a lot of negative shit and periods of non-drawing so i am only talking about what has worked for myself.
as far as being unique. you cant contrive that, its like asking someone to be spontaneous, they cant because by asking them you have destroyed their chance to be spontaneous!! originality doesnt exist in my opinion, we are endlessly recycling ideas and themes and images in new and different ways, so try and put anything into your art that you love like books youve read, people you have met and loved or hated, music, flowers, dreams, and outof that combination im sure something unique will emerge and at the end of the day the shadow will always be there but i guess its justa a balancing act between that and the light too right?
Good points Rodrigo! Just wanted to note that by sketchbook for failure I didn't mean a sketchbook designed specifically to do awful work, as much as having a sketchbook that you dont show anyone and dont care what you put in it, which relieves the pressure of having to create a masterpiece on every page, and think more about experimenting and trying new things somewhere where mistakes dont matter so much. It's something thats helped me from time to time (especially when my main sketchbook is a moleskine so I sometimes worry about doing a shitty page on such expensive paper )
OmertA Glad you like em
About my diary post. Obviously it was early in the morning, but I wrote it because thats what I feel like. I know not all of it is true. But if Im writing it, its affecting me, so I gotta try and sort it. Above anything else - I just wanna loosen up some more and find myself in my sketching. Maybe not make anything unique but try and find a way for me to be creative and have fun when Im drawing and sketching, even if it does suck. Which is hard though, because literally minutes after finishing everything, I can tell everything I dont like about the picture.. but can never see how I want it to be.
Socks I totally see where you coming from bro, thanks for the good advice. I think the problem I have hits before a lot of that though - I dont really have a problem going crazy and loosening up. But I find i tread similar paths (maybe that an issue though) and dont get anywhere. I wanna try and free my mind a little more - maybe not so much what comes out on the paper. But its all good advice nontheless. Experimenting might help me loosen up some what too.
Rodrigo Thanks alot for your thoughts too dude. Appreciate them.
Firstly - I think discovering what I want to do with my sketching is a big part of it. I need to potentially spend more time thinking about what I want to do with it - and then settle into it. Even if its trite and boring. I should maybe push it till I make it exciting.
I think fear is a HUGE part of it - but I dont think its silly. All I ever do is judge my own work and want it to be better, and I dislike so much of it. I think I fear that Im not getting better and that Im not good enough. I think it stems from my position in the world. Im at Uni and im getting closer to the real world, Im worried I wont be good enough to get anywhere.
Your last paragraph is poetic man, love it.
Well... yeah. Im still going, im definitely not stopping. Just trying to loosen up. ive jumped into a sketchbook for a while. Stop with the Printer paper...
Full of problems and stuff I dont like, but then I like one of the sketches, see if you can guess.
Edit - Man its AMAZING how you can look past some thing when your drawing it. Its like because your the one telling your hand to put down each stroke. Everything makes sense. Once you step back and really look, you realise what bullshit you put down. Or maybe its that the pictures look a little different when scanned it... but i doubt thats it.. haha. Man I gotta sleep or draw more...
Fucking drawing, How does that work?
Edit2 - One day Im gonna learn how to shut my mouth.
Still trying to loosen up a bit. I find I just cant start drawing an idea. I sort of evaluate it and right it off - but i think thats the right thing half the time. I need to start a way of coming up with fresh idea. But in terms of drawing - having an idea in my head definitely helps. Helps me get some consistency with what Im sketching/designing.
Also - Check out this dude. Guy called Guillaume Bonamy, and he does THE sickest location drawings every of architecture and stuff its amazing.
Last edited by PHATandy; July 26th, 2010 at 08:27 PM.
hahaa he is great and doesnt see it right?
Great sketches with beautiful lines all well placed on the paper(lovely organizing)
Your ideas are great, you play with a lot of costumes, armors, exaggerated shapes.An awesome robot design up there.no its not an asspat, i am just telling what i see and i havent even talked about your potential. The mates up there have great ideas and i thank them for sharing them.
I would like your next work (but no if i say i would like i destroy the freedom) , in my opinion it would be nice to see you do some relax works non equal to each other , something that will show that what you did was enjoyable experimenting
On the starting pages of my sketchbook i remember i started studying/drawing while adding concepts(the studies where becoming concepts etc.) to my idea for a game etc.That helped me play on another level with my works(i loved them and missed them when i wasnt doing them, they were my babies ) and pushed me a little, dunno if it can be fun for you just throwing ideas around
sorry for the bad text, i am not very good with words but i hope i can offer some brainstorming
keep up the great work!!!
Dude give yourself a break
When you've come as far as you have its easier to see your limitations: you're more aware of the possibilities. But from where I'm standing you are one of the people on CA that I most look up to art-wise. Definitely keep these loose sketches going, I like the idea of just going back to the Sketchbook.
Oh and that robot you did a couple of pages back = epic! reminds me of a lot of some things ive seen from doug chiang. You seem to soak up these influences that you recommend to other people (which is awesome). Try as I might by the way I can't keep up with you on pages in my SB! You just churn them out. One day!! (shakes fist)
Well, sometimes I have the same problem :/
Anyway your sketches seem to be so naturals, clear line and compositions, I'd don't worry more...
great sketch updates andy. i agree with you and share similar experiences you've mentioned in post #364. i still find myself feeling like my drawing and design seems right but when i take a step back everything seems off haha xD just gotta keep studying and practicing i guess keep it up my friend!
Yor Thanks a lot dude! appreciate it.
Holymane Yeah putting too much space between the eyes is a nasty nasty habit i picked up somewhere. Cheers for pointing it out, brought it to the forefront of my brain ty
Rodrigo Yeh its a great little 'analogy' so to speak. Its a simple way of thinking about it.
Kostas! Thanks a lot dude, glad you like some of this stuff. Playing around with a game idea is something Im gonna start up soon. I had a little idea in my head a while ago. So I might try doing it. It will hopefully be away of making me be creative without starting with a completely blank canvas.
Tom Haha, thanks so much for compliments dude. Its VERY nice of you to say such kind words. Just keep going and youll get there. My old sketchbooks were much worse (i think this is my 3rd in CA history).
Dleoblack Thanks dude.
teapo Yeah, I wish i had a way i could just get fresh vision straight away, and spot all those problems straight away.
Sorry I was away for 2 days at my girlfriends house doing some work. Managed to squeeze in some sketching on photoshop tonight though. I get fed up of scanning at 2 in the morning, so PS makes it easier on me. Now off to bed!
Really wanna work on something tomorrow. Maybe some loose enviro ideas or something. Maybe push away from characters. Considering their one of the worse parts of my work, i spend a fuck load of time drawing em. Need to make sure I dont lose my edge in the other stuff.
Makes me think about the whole specialised vs jack-of-all-trades idea. For a concept artist it seems vital to be able to tackle lots of subjects. But in the interest of work/getting jobs it seems like specialising helps you get good enough to get noticed...
Edit - The left calf/foot is wierding out. I have a well formed knee and foot - but the calf looks terribly flat. Wierdness.
great colors on that character andy, especially love the the spots going on xD good attention to detail and as for the calf.. well it looks fine to me, maybe i'm just not good enough in my anatomy yet to notice haha
Kungfoowiz - Cheers for the comments dude. I had this feeling that the hand was looking good when i first drew it. But as i worked the body around it, it just sort of lots of correctness in the pose. Thatll teach me to start from such a small detail i spose!
Teapo - Thanks man!
Just some crap from tonight. Its driving me crazy. I feel like ive been away from drawing environments so much and I just didnt know where to start. Its probably better than I could of done a while ago (when I drew lots of em) but it feels like its not coming as easy. Might settle into doing some more of these. It didnt seem to flow out of me so easy. And subsequently, its MUCHOS BORING >.>
> colours are a bit funky too. I think I need to considering light source and how it would be effecting stuff a bit more. I did to start with but it made all my colours confusing. Its probably the right way, but it hampered me this time. Need to learn to look and choose colours based closer on reality I think. Or pick crazy colours for some things, and learn how things would be that colour, ie what light might cause those colours or v.v. Maybe be less afraid to work with some good reference too..
Poop ahoy \/\/\/\/
Edit - oh god its ugly. Need more darks and saturation. Somewhere...
Some really great sketches lately
Thanks jskotte! Appreciate it.
Just fiddling around. Think I might take this into more detail. Really flesh out building styles and architecture and stuff. Its sort of an idea, but I wont bore you with the concept. Its just a rough layout - once again though, its completely different to what I had in mind. Maybe ill try again and keep going until I can formulate something close to whats in my head. I think that might work.
Karen - Thanks very much mate, really loved your sketchbook! Some real great stuff.
Kungfoo - Thanks a lot dude. Im going for an eastern feel so thats good, and well you can see. The flat roofs were intended for the gardened tops i had an idea for.
Just did some more on it really. Had quite a bit of fun really. Theres something I really like about designing a space and architecture. I don't know what it is, I think its to do with how it can be about simple design and shapes and how they can look good or bad. Or how they can represent or give emotions of certain cultures. Like the designs I picked are very simple b/w square based, but (i hope are reminiscent of middle east/Mediterranean sort of stuff.
I think with regards to technique I REALLLLLYYYY need to find a way of quickly discovering and drawing/painting environments in full colour. It comes so easy (they might not be good) and they flow out of me. But adding colour or doing a full painting would just kill me. Really need to look into ways of using brushes or something to help me paint architecture or something. Gonna have to do some experiments I think.
Edit ... ugh, I broke my own design rules with the temple (top left). Cant Unsee!!
Greensocks - Thanks a lot dude, really appreciate the compliments. Very nice of you.
Annnnd some more.
Having fun doing this stuff. I did some sketches in my book but I cant scan tonight. Will draw some more and scan tomorrow . Ive been thinking a lot about portfolio and what I wanna be doing and stuff like that. So Im gonna focus on doing stuff that I could see my self putting in my portfolio. Like isometric drawings and stuff like that. Trying to think about styles to work in and how I can convey my message etc etc. Quickest method. Putting in another colour and texture. Need to think about my working method. Could do with a touch more realism. maybe add some textures or something - maybe think about more realism in building or architectural styles. Proper sized bricks and stuff. Kinda feels like a buildings from Zelda or something (not necessarily a problem..???)
Man I could write a biiiiiig long post about this and that, all about my painting and how it went all good bad, everywhere in between and just ended up a mess. The Drawing was good i suppose (i figured out a nice working method)... a little uninspired though. Anyways, Ive spent the last 3 hours working on it all, but what it is, doesnt really matter anymore. I learnt something.... I think.
Basically. I cant render. AT ALL. I simple just do not know how to approach rendering/painting in a 'method' sort of way. I can often understand where I need to get to, but my approach just seems all wrong. I dont know where to start in terms of laying down colours to achieve what I want or where I need to soften edges and things like that. I can visualize what I need, and know what needs to be doing what. But man I just cant get it out.
I think what I like about this is I know..that is just plain practice that is gonna help me do that. Photostudies or life paintings seem to skip this part out for me, in the process of just copying. Im not actually thinking about it enough.
So Im gonna maybe devise some stuff where maybe Im working from a photo - but using it as ref for creating a similar scene, different angle or light direction or something. So I have to think about it all.
Speaking of amazing rendering and lighting and paint application...
Also, cant remember where I found it. But Mark Zug is shit hot.
Love his paintings and you can see loads of his influences in his work, in a really cool - not ripping off way. Awesomez.
1 This is from his first portfolio (WTF!)
+ Some drawings.
EDIT - I know my edits are becoming somehwhat cliche. But everytime I write the post attach the images and then post. By the time it comes up, Im looking at SOOOO many mistakes and problems, or things I dont like. Its amazing how oblivious I can be. Maybe I should stop painting at 1-3 in the morning...
EDIT2 - Gonna do more painting without using such details lines. I know thats good practice, but for the mean time I need to learn how to paint and sculpt form and shapes etc etc
Last edited by PHATandy; August 4th, 2010 at 10:21 PM.
AAAAARRRRG god me too i still don't even fucking know how to barelly start a paiting, rendering then looks like a hidra ! each head you cut grow 2 on its place!
can't help you with that but i hope we both find a way to drop a bigass rock on that neckfulll bitch!
also liked that isometric stuff you did up there,even made me fell like doing the same
Hey there phatandy, i really like that latest enviroment work, maybe going for first halway grayscale and over that colouring could help with enviroment colouring? (that's what i do often) you can find example of this method on psg7 site conceptart process page, it is for character but it also works on enviroments.
MY SKETCHBOOK IN BIG LETTERS: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=116474
COMPLETE LIST OF THE FORGOTTEN SKETCHBOOKS: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...=1#post1992378
nice environment up there andy - looks really good! I would suggest that perhaps you rarely find such cube like buildings. I think its great to have such vertical high walls (very middle-eastern) but then addition of little extensions and balconies etc would give the city a more lived-in feel
Holymane Glad someone else is feelin ma pains. Its driving me crraazzzyy. Need to learn the secret of killing Hydras.
Teapo Thanks braa!
Nettle Yeah man, I should look that up. Arnie's tutorial page fucking blows my mind. Im gonna try some stuff I think.
Tom Yeah man, the cube thing sort of hit me half way, so I tried to vary it up later on but it didnt work. I knew what I wanted but in the early stages i laid it all out like cubes so adding it was hard. I like the idea of smaller buildings sort of stuck on the side with stair cases going to em, and like plazas on top of em. And lots of different sized buildings around, some connected in like L shapes and stuff. But obv that didnt come out tooo well. I wasnt thinking enough early on.
Some mores. Need to stop drawing and start painting more stuff like that. Its soooo easy for me to get sucked into doing all the drawing and thinking about stuff like design etc. I know I can think about design when Im painting so I just need to go and get into it. I have some ideas for buildings texture , and about buildings architectural shapes. So i gotta have go. Robogabo as this real awesome way of buildings with sort of transformed textured to give them a wierd early ps1 3d graphicy sort of feel.. Which i fucking Love (both the graphics style and robos style ). So gonna look into that.
Anyways, blah blah, this is pretty boring sorry. I was trying to work around an inital shape and idea. But I could make the original shape that interesting, so I failed in one aspect. Oh well.
Time for beds.
I think one day Im gonna go back and read all my posts where I come up with Ideas of stuff to do. And actually DO them. I feel like I come up with a lot of ideas for experimenting and learning and different practice ideas, but I dont do enough of em... Starting tomorrow, Im gonna try and do what I said tonight (not promising, I dont make promises so i dont break them).