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    what is todays punk rock

    what are your thoughts on today's punk rock? what makes them what they are and how they look. what separates them from yester years punks.

    post your thoughts and images if you have them.

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    Punk was about rebellion, not submission. It was about hate, not love. It was about society (in general with few exceptions like the Dead Milkmen).

    The Punk of the yesteryear were The Sex Pistols, The Misfits, The Ramones, The Clash, The Undead, The Beastie Boys, Black Flag, etc. They began underground and roared and sang about all the rage and hate of the world they came from; the blue collars and the dropouts. they didn't give a shit what anyone thought, they hated authority; left or right.

    But that's my opinion.

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    And, judging solely on sound, there is a good number of Punk-inspired bands, but you get a 50/50 on them being 'real' or not. Of course, in the late 70's and early 80's you had posers and fakes and schmoozers also, but not in the mainstream mindset of punk. Avril Lavigne calls herself 'punk'. She's not. She sings about boys and other poppy crap.

    The Strokes didn't call themselves punk, but clearly had their influence from the more up-tempo Misfits-styleset (Barely Legal springs to mind). Listen to the song She (about Patty Hearst) by the Misfits and you'll hear it.

    Then there's Jet, the Hives... Today Punk is more of an influenced sound then a philosophy like it was.
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    Sadly, There are no REAL punk rock bands anymore.

    Even bands like RANCID, Bad Religion, Dropkick Murphys, etc. have "cashed-in" rather than "sell-out". That's OK, I don't have a problem with them cashing-in because they still put out quality music (sans the commercial crap song or two they have to put on the CD to get airtime).

    But, it shows that the True Punks who don't really give a flying monkey's ass what the record labels want are a dying breed.

    edit: AMEN to what Devilock wrote.
    To be nobody-but-yourself -- in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else -- means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight; and never stop fighting.
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    Originally posted by RONIN


    Even bands like RANCID...
    I like Billy's new band: the Transplants.
    "They were born, they grew up in the gutters, they went to work at twelve, they passed through a brief blossoming period of beauty and sexual desire, they married at twenty, they were middle-aged at thirty, they died, for the most part, at sixty. Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbors, films, football, beer, and, above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds."

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    I don't like punkrock at all.
    The riffs are always the same, pretty annoying high sounds.
    The vocals mostly sound like a mice that tries to reach an elephant's ear.
    Well, I referred to "classic" punk rock.
    But also the sound of skater-punk is just... disturbing, annoying, I don't like it

    I think the problem is that punk rock didn't really evolve.
    Ok, we have the same with rock at the moment - there are a lot of retro bands.

    But rock was already nice when it was "invented"... I guess I just don't like the whole punk scene - in Germany, I have to say.

    German punks are like this:
    They don't work, because they can live by our welfare state -
    But they always grumble about our government!

    They like their primitve behavior and always talk about not behaving like the society wants it -
    But at the same time, they try to teach everyone about politics

    That leads to problem nr.3 - you can't talk about other topics than politics or drinking with punks.

    They don't like police -
    Without police, every non-punk would bash their brains out of their heads

    I had many friends in the punk-alternative scene, but I quit to meet them - Just because they always hate something and are always loud and always talking about how they hate "the system"
    They should be thankful to live in such a system instead of starving in Africa. Hard but true.

    Jet, The Hives, The Strokes? No, that's rock/beat.
    Faaar away from punk.

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    p.s.: I think the american "punk" is very different to the europe...
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    Originally posted by cucaracha

    Jet, The Hives, The Strokes? No, that's rock/beat.
    Faaar away from punk.
    Its not a matter of opinion. Compare Jet and the Hives to the Sex Pistols and its obvious. Its the same formula.
    "They were born, they grew up in the gutters, they went to work at twelve, they passed through a brief blossoming period of beauty and sexual desire, they married at twenty, they were middle-aged at thirty, they died, for the most part, at sixty. Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbors, films, football, beer, and, above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds."

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    Ok, the riffs and stuff may be similar.

    But the annoying thing about punk-rock -
    uber-screeky voices, dirty-rat-rancid lifestyle and all the stuff I mentioned is not included

    plus rock/beat is melodic

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    edit: I agree with you about the Hives. They're heavily influenced
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    From studying the history of the Punk movement, I've determined that Punk officially "died" or was "near death" in '78-'79 or so when it all started to become commercialized and lame self-parody. Before that, it was all about rebelling against the strain...but then it became more like any other genre of music with its own bullshit in tow.

    Fortunately, there were several groups that managed to keep the spirit alive for a period of time, but the Punk "scene" was pretty much dead by '79 as all the pretentious desperately-trying-to-rebel idiots who had been exposed to Punk secondhand flooded the scene, chasing off all the old-skool punks.

    Punk has since managed to stagger from its grave in various oft-commercialized homunculus forms, but has never been quite the same.
    That's not to say that there aren't bands out there fighting the good fight; just that punk really is dead.
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    word.

    desperately-trying-to-rebel idiots
    Germany is full of those guys. Well, not full, but still too much.

    Ever tried to talk with such a guy like "shhh it's over, you don't need to rebel, calm down, get a life please..."?

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    A bunch of guys scream about how their lives suck and why the system has to come down while they get cash from that same system... :confused:


    I just ignore the ideology behind the music and go for the actual thing. If the music is good, I will listen, and if not, I won't. The artist's opinion doesn't matter to me. They are there to entertain me, not teach me.

    And cucaracha I know what you mean about the punk fools in Germany. So sad.

    I saw this teenage couple walking from a store one day. The girl was dragging a raggedy backpack behind her, and both were dressed up all punk style with shitty dyed hair and piercings and all, and then they were carrying a big case of beer between them to boot. I mean, come on! Is that how you rebel against the system?

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    I like Billy's new band: the Transplants.
    Just heard a song from them for the first time and I thought it was pretty cool, need to hear more.

    I listen to ALL kinds of music (except Country - can't stomach that for some reason) And I like a lot of the new bands like the White Stripes, Jet, etc. Those bands also acknowledge that they are not the "originators" of the sound. I used to skate to Agent Orange, 7 Seconds, etc. and Yeah they sound similar but when you get in a groove who wants to break that.

    Bands are at their best when they are young, pissed off and have something to say.
    To be nobody-but-yourself -- in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else -- means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight; and never stop fighting.
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    a can of worms has been opened! this is almost like the "what is art?" discussion

    I think "punk" is a title that people slap onto music nowadays, and doesn't fit well at all. it categorizes the sound, but like devilock says, it started off on ideology, and the sound was a byproduct of it. the bands now that are trying to get that sound are digging into what's been done and making their own interpretations of it. There's been a resurgence of the fashion, and there's a quite a few crappy bands now playing pop with punk attitude. It's the same as a lot of rap groups now, (puff daddy comes to mind), where style overrides substance. The kids that go to extremes to piss people off and look like homeless clowns aren't being original, they're just copying what was done many years before. these kids are often just wanting attention.

    But, it's still alive, and there are still people more into the idea of it than the look of it. i think punk is more about spirit and ethos than it is about sound. The Clash, hailed as one of the best bands to exist, probably my favorite band, was still considered punk in their later years, when they were doing some completely off the wall shit. Rap, reggae, waltzes, they just loved exploring music. What kept them "punk" was that they were doing it for themselves, and were doing things that went against the grain of what was expected. They were on a major label, but they forgoed the royalties to have a triple record cost the same as a single, for the fans. There are bands today that are breaking their backs just to share music with likeminded people, doing their own thing without a care who says they're "punk" or not.

    It's a very tricky thing, because the word "punk" signifies a change/rebellion to the norm, but it also categorizes a time period and a sound of music as well. I think this is where all the arguments come from, because it's such a blanket statement.

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    punk rock is a pretty funny and sensitive word to a lot of people.. specifically those who believe that they might have fallen into that catigory at some point in there lives..
    its funny to me now when i think about the concept of a person being strictly defined by the kind of music they listen to.. i guess i felt that way when i was younger,, but i believed it was more of a lifestyle than a catigory..

    i personally think that punk rock in its purest form has no quantifiable properties or rules.. it doesnt have to be about anything in partictular even.. it was something unexplainable that happened in the 70's and on into the 80's in my opinion.
    it was like a chemical reaction that spread without bias.
    rock and roll was being strangled by disco and feel good ballads which caused a feeling of unrest in the youth.. it was a generations extreme answer to the lack of intensity around them..

    when punk was new there was no recipe.. some would disagree but i think it got even more interesting when it got to america.. you would have bands like the Minutemen playing shows with DK or mission of Burma. everyone was feeding off eachother and taking things in completely different directions.. but just like anything good in a capitalistic society we will find a way to clone it mass reproduce it and sell it thus draining it of its origionality and quality.. it makes me Nausious now when i hear bands do "punk" covers from other generas of music,, and all they do is speed up the tempo.. its like self mockery and they dont even realize it.

    i dont neccesarily think punk is dead,, but if you look in a record store under the catigory "punk",, you will most likely find pop...
    its really more of a vehicle for fashion now than anything in my opinion.

    i believe punk is still around in spirit.. i catch a hint of it every now and then when i go to shows.. it may not come back with the same face but it was solely the energy that defined it in the first place.. i think the gross degridation in the force fed garbage the younger generation is being bombarded with could easily bring about something similar..


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