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    My teacher just told me I was degradeing women.

    I wanted to paint a mastercopy of the picture of the Sally Jupiter pinup below and when I told my art teacher this she said " That picture and others like it are lowering women to objects for people like you." I tried to compromise, I told that I would hide some "things" but that didn't work. then I told her I was doing it anyway and she said she would fail me and told me to paint a damn boat.

    If I do this I fail the class but if I don't I feel like i'm running from a fight. What should I do?

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    Wait until after school to be a rebel.
    Whatever statement you are trying to make, you won't make it by copying someone else's art anyway.

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    Complain to higher-ups? Or maybe you could paint both?

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    Screw your teacher; that is inapropiate. If you want to paint something like that, it is your choice, if she fails you appeal it. Nobody cares about school anyway, they just want to see that your portfolio is good. If it was me I'd go to the local paper or tv news station if they fail you and make a scene of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueknightfox View Post
    If I do this I fail the class but if I don't I feel like i'm running from a fight. What should I do?
    Learn to choose your battles.
    The irony of the piece is obviously lost on her, but I expect it's lost on you as well.
    If you want to study pinups, you'd do better to look at Vargas, not James Jean doing Vargas (he'd tell you the same thing).


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    Quote Originally Posted by blueknightfox View Post
    ...for people like you....
    There's a world of hurt in that statement!!!!

    My question to you, is this the hill you want to die on?

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    I prefer Elvgren...

    Seems like you're getting conflicting opinions here

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    Drop the class and find a teacher who knows the value of their position.

    But in truth... pick your battles... become a successful artist and leave her to teach... I think there is a saying about teachers that fits in well here...

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    Paint a picture of John Black (Days of our Lives soap opera) coyly holding a vibrator, and tell her you'll give up your porn when women give up theirs.

    But seriously if you have to fight every idiot you'll spend your whole life doing nothing else. Paint a boat this time, become an awesome artist, and release a pin up calender dedicated to your teacher.

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    Ask her if you can paint this

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    Compromise. You know how the the old flying fortresses would have pin ups painted on the side of them? She wants a a boat. a boat is a ship. a ship can be a plane. Paint a plane with that on the side. Bam

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hookswords View Post
    Compromise. You know how the the old flying fortresses would have pin ups painted on the side of them? She wants a a boat. a boat is a ship. a ship can be a plane. Paint a plane with that on the side. Bam
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    Tell her you'll paint a boat when she shaves her armpits. Better still, tell her you're not prepared to be accused of being sexist purely because you want to do a study of a perfectly acceptable piece of art.

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    Wow what a thunder c%#t.

    Don't choose your battles wisely, your wisdom can serve you better in squashing that insectoid. Be sneaky..Convince the higher-ups she's spreading her feminist dogshit where it doesn't belong, not to mention grades people based on her personal bias, and not the academics of it. The goal is to get her fired, but sinse she just revealed her weakness, go further and offend her womanhood.

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    It's true you should pick your battles... but you should also have the ability to stand up for yourself. Some things are just so minor it's not worth the trouble to bother with. People too often use this as an excuse to avoid confrontation.

    Every issue becomes a case of "is it worth it"...and that lets so much injustice continue (even if that injustice is an unreasonable person misusing their power to push an agenda in a classroom).

    "Is it worth it" for an employee to report their employer for illegal activity and risk their job? Or is it just easier to look the other way and pretend nothings wrong?

    "Is it worth it" for a person to risk their life to gain certain rights? Or is it just easier to live as happily as possible without them?

    "Is it worth it" to stop a person from being robbed? Or is it none of your business and easier to pay attention to your own problems?

    I'm the type that tends to take on battles without weighing the "cost / benefit" ratio. It's not always easy to do the right thing or stand up for the right course of action. A lot of people simply decide on how to act by how much trouble it will cause them compared to how much they gain for it. It just really depends what type of person you are.

    For this sittuation, it's really up to you on what to do. You ARE right and she IS being unreasonable (so if you challenge it, you would probably win by taking it to higher levels). But you risk damaging your reputation and it would cause a lot of work for you.

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    Get your grades. You can always rub her nose in it later if you make it big time.


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    Here's the big important question, how bad do you need this class? If you don't, then make a fight outta it. If you do, then roll over.

    Inglamorous, I know, but some fights aren't worth the trouble.

    Personally, my take would be to then make a master copy of a male pin-up and shove that in her face. Or better yet, a hermaphrodite. But then again, I don't think grades are very serious business.

    But one thing you're gonna learn from this and other future situations... the world is filled with unbearably irrational pathetic ridiculous petty close-minded dumb-as-a-brick jackasses, and you don't have the time or resources to fight 'em all. One of these days you'll walk away from a fight just because you have better things to do, and there's nothing wrong with that.

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    She's not keeping you from doing the study, she's just keeping you from doing it for her class. I'm guessing that as a pro you'll eventually run into clients who have different ideas than you do on projects. I'd draw the boat and not take her classes in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueknightfox View Post
    I told her I was doing it anyway and she said she would fail me and told me to paint a damn boat.


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    Haha...this is funny. While it's absolutely true that tons of art these days does seem to work towards the objectification of women...it goes both ways. Just as you have guys drawing scantily clad, overly busty girls do you have tons of girls drawing the same thing.

    Just as you have Barbie dolls with skewed proportions giving off false impressions of what a girl should look like, do you have WWE wrestling action figures with proportions and muscles no human male could ever hope to reach in their lifetimes.

    And just as you have tons of guys watching porn every day, do you have tons and tons of girls who are willing to show up in it.

    Both genders are working towards the objectification of both genders. It's fucked up, but it's true.

    I personally don't draw girls in skimpy outfits, and if an employer requested I draw one I'd have to decline. I'm married and that's never been my thing.


    Concerning your situation, though. As others have said, choose your battles. You should never go to school and expect all of your projects to be ones you will enjoy, or ones that will make sense to you. It's a somewhat childish mentality to feel like you have to answer every "challenge" and turn it into some kind of battle.

    Draw what you want for yourself, draw what they want for the class. You may think your teacher's an idiot for her mentality. But you're the one who paid for it. (Well, I assume. This is college, right?)

    Not to mention...all you're fighting for is a picture of a girl in a somewhat suggestive pose and a bit of a revealing outfit. Sorry to say, but that's been done before. A lot. Every day. What are you fighting for again? The teacher's views only extend as far as her reach, with obviously isn't very far given the imagery in society these days. Sure you could turn it into a battle, but in the grand scheme of things you've already won. And you won't feel like you "won" one way or the other. Might as well make it easy on yourself and pass the class.

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    Teachers are hilarious sometimes.

    If us males choked the weasel every time we saw an image of a woman that was slightly cold... we'd cause ourselves some injury.

    She's there to teach you art though, not feminist morals. It's cool for her to have the opinion, it's not cool for her to oppress a student's education because of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Spot View Post
    Get your grades. You can always rub her nose in it later if you make it big time.
    This was sort of my point.
    It's high school....it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of your life, but if you fail out of it, it can certainly complicate the present like having to redo an assignment or fail a class and miss a credit needed for graduation, etc.

    It's all well and good to put someone in their place, but there's also a time and place for everything. It just sounds like not a big deal to me...so your art teacher doesn't like pin-ups. What else is new? If you want to really put her in your place, do some nude life drawing of both males and females. I doubt she'd have much to say about that.

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    when she calls you sexist just be like "opinion noted" and when she goes "it's NOT an opinion it's FACT" be like "arrogance noted" and when she gets mad be like "tantrum noted"

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    Paint a naked version of it instead... Oh, ignorant conservatives make may day. Hilarious stuff.

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    Draw a picture of your teacher having sex with a boat.

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    BETTER IDEA: Draw the boat. But you know what you should put on the boat?



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    I'd get the grade, and then after I graduated I'd do a version of the Mona Lisa shooting high beams, sign the back of it, and send it to her as a gift.

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    Well, I don't want to pick sides but I tend to get the feeling when I see someone posting online about some problem with a teacher that we generally hear a very colored version of the truth.

    I mean, was there a specific assigment? Copying an existing piece of work seems more like something you do in your own time unless, of course, the assigment was specifically about doing a mastercopy.

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    Ouch! I would say "know when to pick your battles" But your teacher is an asshole and must be stopped. Talk about it with the higher ups. Your ignorant teacher isn't just impugning your integrity, but a movement you are involved in. You should not fail a class for expressing your views on any account. Even if you were a sexist which isn't the case, you should be allowed to express that. It's not like your designing the school poster.

    Most of Picasso's paintings of women were severely derogatory, cold and misogynistic. That kind of honesty is what made him so cool.

    edit: I forgot you were in high school and are not eligible for free speach. The first amendment doesn't apply to you yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoul Duke View Post
    edit: I forgot you were in high school and are not eligible for free speach. The first amendment doesn't apply to you yet.
    That is not true. The courts have upheld the free speech rights of students many times.

    For example, teacher gives an art assignment to "paint your favorite subject." Student paints a picture of Jesus. Teacher says that's not allowed. Student's parents sue and student wins.

    I wouldn't fight this one though. It's not worth the hassle.

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