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    Painters aren't famous.

    For a while now I've been asking friends and other people to name a famous, living painter. Then I would ask them to name an average, living rapper. You can guess the results. People don't know any painters, but have no problem with naming moderately successful rappers.

    I realize part of the problem is the nature of both activities - songs are going to be played on the radio, tv, even as soundtrack in movies. Even if you tried to avoid a mainstream song you couldn't. Also rappers are viewed as celebrities and rock stars.

    How could an artist achieve that level of fame? How could paintings achieve the level of exposure that songs have?


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    this is a weird topic... i rather u compare artist... i know that comic book artist with 1/10th the skill of concept "salary" job earners, are way more famous and richer

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    Thomas Kincade. -yes he sucks... but rich and famous he is hmmmmm.
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    Come back in a hundred years and see who's more famous, Lil' Jon or Picasso.

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    yeah painters aren't usually famous until after they die. Because when they die, Business are able to market and exploit them...

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    Salvador Dali's actually pretty famous.

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    I think the art world and the mainstream are separated by a thin line. When it comes to art, people think old-fashioned landscape painters and the Mona Lisa. I haven't once met someone in person who knew Jon Foster or Frazetta...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack the R View Post
    Come back in a hundred years and see who's more famous, Lil' Jon or Picasso.
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    Salvador Dali's actually pretty famous.
    Good job reading the first sentence of my post.

    Thomas Kinkade has his paintings everywhere and might be rich, but not many people actually know his name.

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    It won't happen in the United States.

    You're more likely to find fame in a culture whose past is engrained with art as a normal part of life.

    Europe, Asia, etc., but not the U.S.
    "Everything must serve the idea. The means used to convey the idea should be the simplest and clear. Just what is required. No extra images. To me this is a universal principle of art. Saying as much as possible with a minimum of means."
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    Quote Originally Posted by OmenSpirits View Post
    It won't happen in the United States.
    Why do you think that is?

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    We go through ages instead of incorporating each aspect of those ages into the core of society.

    The golden age of illustration, the golden age of jazz, etc. we place periods of time, and then move on without truly taking the aspects of those times, and passing it along to the next generation.

    If it's new, shiny, we partake of it, but for only so long as it is en vogue to do so.

    We are inherently a disposable society, but hardly ever retaining what was best of our past, leaving it to history books and those of us who find value.
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    "Everything must serve the idea. The means used to convey the idea should be the simplest and clear. Just what is required. No extra images. To me this is a universal principle of art. Saying as much as possible with a minimum of means."
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    Makes nostalgia even better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karmazon View Post
    Good job reading the first sentence of my post.
    No, I acknowledge that people are more likely to know bad rappers than good currently living artists, but if you step beyond the present it's not likely many rappers will be remembered at all.

    BTW there are plenty of people who know Giger. Not everyone knows his name, but they certainly have seen the Alien. In that sense I'd say he's bigger than any rapper. I doubt if my mother's heard anything by Snoop Doggy Dogg, but she knows the Alien.

    If you go by works there are plenty of visual artists who are bigger than rappers. The problem is that the movie studios don't choose to promote or acknowledge them the way record studios promote their artists. It's bizarre when you think about it. H.R. Giger is practically a franchise unto himself. Why the film industry never picked up on that is beyond me. They'll make a movie for 50 Cent, but they won't make a movie just for the art of H.R. Giger. Ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OmenSpirits View Post
    It won't happen in the United States.

    You're more likely to find fame in a culture whose past is engrained with art as a normal part of life.
    You see... that is the problem right there. Art is actually a huge normal part of life for the US (and other developed countries).

    But, it isn't in the form of a painting anymore. That isn't how people consume art anymore. I don't have a single painting on the wall (which is typical)... but I do have a TV and several computers. Why pay an artist to draw you a single pretty picture to look at when you can turn on a TV and be exposed to all kinds of modern variations of art?

    The "need" for an oil painting is not here in modern day. There are so many works of art and they are thrown at us constantly through our modern changing screens.

    BUT, the foundations of painting and making pictures like that is still very much needed (and appreciated, just look how people have responded to avatars art direction).

    The reason that the general population does not know artists name is simply a case of marketing. When a great picture is thrown at the public, it is done so under the "name" of whatever they are trying to sell. Game illustrations (like the lovely guildwars paintings), movie posters, matte paintings....all are done FOR someTHING else (instead of being presented to the public with the name of the artist).

    Basically, companies want to put all the work of marketing into something they OWN (which is whatever brand they are pushing). They don't own an artist and aren't trying to build up the artists fame (it doesn't really serve them), so they just leave that part out (or just stuff it in the credits somewhere).

    I think that is really the greater shame, that graphic artists are being lumped into a pool of nameless interchangeable workers....only recognized for what they do by other artists...

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    You'd need to become your own brand, like Damien Hurst or Banksy, and create your fame from controversy. Even then your fame is limited and localised. People mention the likes of Kinkaid but I doubt one in 100 non-artists worldwide has heard of him, and fewer still would recognise his art. I've never met a non-artist who's heard of Frazetta, even those who've shown an interest in the subject.

    Face it, there's no fame and comparatively little money in it for the genuine artist. No artist living or dead has achieved the notoriety of Beckham, and that includes Picasso, and none will achieve his level of earnings either (what is it now, £1m+ a week?). Which is fine because it shows that we're in it for the right reasons.

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