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    Other people have touched on this, but yeah, a lot of art is meant to be sexual because sex sells. It's something that has permeated our society to the point that I hardly even notice it anymore. It's not just art that's doing it, it's pretty much everywhere that people are trying to market or sell something. You see it in a ton of commercials where there are these subtle unspoken suggestions that if you buy their product you'll be sexy/get sex/attract sexy people. The banner ads for the game Evony are a kinda funny example of that.

    That said, I think that 90% of the stuff on CA is being done to improve their art. People go from life drawing to practicing figures from their imagination which end up as scantily clad well-toned women or men. I personally have no problems with that or other forms of nudity that are narrative, or have a good reason for existing besides the blatant sexualization of (usually) women. If they are a moral issue to you, by all means, avoid them.

    Should you leave this community? I don't think so, I don't think this community is substantially focused on sexual images more than other art communities. If you're careful you should be able to avoid the vast majority sexual images, don't enter threads marked NSFW or that say they contain nudity.

    As a Christian, I'm someone who has radically different moral views than most people on this site and, for that matter, the world in general. So I understand where you're coming from. However, I don't think it's impossible to be an active part of this community while holding those viewpoints. Like others said, do your own thing, if you find that one person's artworks present a problem for you, make a mental note to avoid their thread in the future. If you enjoy making art and want to improve that art, then I think you have a place in this community, regardless of religious or moral beliefs.

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    You seem to be passionate about this. A good idea would be to use that to drive your artistic output.

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    "...I think it's fair to say that artists in their 20s are generally more interested in sexual artwork than artists in their 60s."

    Thank you, Zirngibism...you just made my year...

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    Kitty, we all know about your obsession with cleavage. Down boy.

    I'm a Christian and have no problem with the human body naked or what it can do; just remember God made us in his image and the naked body is therefore nothing to be ashamed of.


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    I don't think that's really a problem, since most of the nudity on ConceptArt seems to be from a more artistic perspective. I've seen very little on CA that is really that sexual. Personally, I don't find nudity in and of itself sexual at all.
    Then again, I probably come from a different background.

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    I've stumbled on a few pretty explicit SBs myself... Don't know where y'all been looking

    There's that guy who calls himself animal something. Then there's some other dudes.. Most of it is obviously humoruos or just too weird to be taken serious though.

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    Pornography is a drug.

    Sexy art is usually junk because people on drugs think they're making better work than they actually are because they're high. People on drugs also make excuses for the drug, and thus over-rate the quality of sexy art (as long as the drug performs its function, who cares about anything else?)

    You can't rationalize with people on drugs. You just leave them alone in a room to be lonely and pathetic and hope that they can recover themselves. This usually doesn't happen. Fat people eat themselves to death all the time. The oblivion of substance addiction is a powerful force.

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    Every generation there's a small handful of artists who can do quality work and make it sexy. Most art is junk anyhow, why shouldn't most sexy art also be junk? The issue for me is that sexy art cheats by using sex to sell itself, rather than quality. Very much like how coca cola used to have cocaine in it. (Now its just sugar and caffeine, because, by golly, they had to remove the addictive substances!)

    There's no FDA for porn and erotica. Monkey gotta be free!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilaekae View Post
    "...I think it's fair to say that artists in their 20s are generally more interested in sexual artwork than artists in their 60s."

    Thank you, Zirngibism...you just made my year...

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
    You know, as I clicked "reply" I actually thought "I bet Ilaekae is going to make some kind of contrary response to that last statement".

    Man, my psychic gifts are wasted here! ;-)

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    He's right though.

    I watch the years roll by and boobs aren't getting any less awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zirngibism View Post
    (Man, I feel like I'm breaking a taboo here saying that I'm bored with the human form. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say I'm bored with the human form in the generic idealized proportions, and when it's used as the central theme of illustration. But I do appreciate beautiful lighting on anything, as I hope can be proved from some of my own life paintings.)
    You really aren't alone here. One of the few reasons I enjoy having a job working with the public is getting to see the wide variety of shapes and sizes that people come in. Generally, the older someone is, the more interesting and individual their physical characteristics become.

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    I can paint a montage of two or several people going at it, even make them finish onto the pannel. Will i be pushing sexual limits? Ofcourse.. However for only one pathetic notch, because there's nothing beyond that.
    Sex is limited visually, beyond that is the physical experience. So untill you can physicaly get it on with a 2D image, there's nowhere else to push it..

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    God, this whole thread is just silly.

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    hey your avatar is sexy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraus View Post
    I can paint a montage of two or several people going at it, even make them finish onto the pannel. Will i be pushing sexual limits? Ofcourse.. However for only one pathetic notch, because there's nothing beyond that.
    Sex is limited visually, beyond that is the physical experience. So untill you can physicaly get it on with a 2D image, there's nowhere else to push it..
    Tell that to the japanese!! they have managed to take sex in some sickkk direction with some of their kinky things o.O

    I think the OP needs to have more secks... maybe he/she will get over seeing it in such a negative light? That...or he/she is doing it wrong o.O

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    I do kind of feel sorry for the OP, as this kind of thing has happened before when I've started threads-- (With people [me included] answering the thread topic more broadly and predictably, and as a result making the OP seem more naive than they are.) It was still an interesting thread, though.

    Only a couple people really addressed his/her question, specifically about pushing boundaries, not exactly about the decision to include sexual/nude content in itself.
    And I think they pretty much answered it. Now everyone's just goofing off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrr View Post
    hey your avatar is sexy.
    I know. But let's not bring genderbending into this conversation.

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    There's that guy who calls himself animal something.
    wanimal,I think hes one of the truer artists on the planet.

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    EDIT: ughgdfgf.

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    Calming down.

    Quote Originally Posted by xzacto View Post
    well... only a few of you understand where I am going with this. A few of you arecompletely disrespectful. but for the most part I was just trying to see if I wasn't alone here. a lot of assumptions were just made about who I am as a person, and really those assumptions are completely false. I used to see how far I could push the abstract line (if there even is one which is the whole purpose of this thread) and I am seeing more and more of it. I don't necessarily agree or disagree with these images so please do not assume anything more about me (those of you who have) because really you know nothing of me.


    iolarnula You completely nailed it for me. and this is for the most part how I feel.
    I'm glad I was sort of heading in the right direction, heh. It's very easy for threads like this to get derailed if the subject of religion is brought up in relation to nudity/sexual themes in visual art (and in general, too). Unfortunately this will probably almost always happen, and things need to be spelt out very clearly at the beginning if conflict is to be avoided, at least partially :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by xzacto View Post
    I don't mean to make waves, Just feel like opening up a discussion for anyone who has an opinion.

    I understand that since art was ever considered art even on cave paintings people have had a fascination with the human body and it's form. I understand studies and learning about the human body, however I have noticed that people take it to the next level, particularly in this concept art community. some of the stuff I see in here is difficult for me to look at. Maybe it's just me but it seems that the popular "NORM" is to create a scandalously clad semi-muscular chick, often derived from a nude sketch which looks like it was created to press the carnal eye-sex button. It's almost as though people are drawing to purposefully feed that part of a guy that can't bare to look away from a seductress image thus getting attention for the wrong initial reasons. I have a lot more to add to this but I just figured I would start a topic here.

    I also understand that being a strong Christian in this community has an affect on this opinion within my own views. Please understand I am in no way trying to condemn or convict people who post here I am just curious if anyone else here would agree or disagree.

    I have been told by other users that I need to leave this community on more than one occasion because I am a Christian so I am just trying to see if I should even have a place within the community. Whether I am an artist with different moral values or not.
    I hope you don't mind that I'll quote (what I think was) your original message. I think context matters a lot

    First of all: No, I don't think sexual limites are pushed here. Neither do I agree with one of the other posters that we keep pushing forward and we'll probably have the weirdest sex ever 1000 years from now. I mean yes, it's human to keep pushing forward, but people already had the weirdest sexual fetishes going on in the pre-Christ era. The Kama-sutra is over a thousand years old. But I believe there are sexual boundaries as well, some of which are imposed by our bodies, and others by our own/our society's morals, mentalities, and fantasy.
    (Also, if you think CA is a pitfall of sexual deviousness, you haven't seen the rest of the internet yet. There's a reason for rule 34 (and the lesser known rule 35).

    Should you leave this community? I'll leave this one up to you to decide. But you shouldn't leave because other people tell you to, only because you want to, for whatever reason.
    How big of a role your religion will play in this is again up to you to decide: if you feel like CA.org (and most other art sites) and your own set of morals can't be united somehow, you're free to leave. But if you ask me, they can be.

    Lastly I just want to echo some of the other responses people have posted here: nudity and sexuality are not the same thing, even though there's a big overlap (and for some people that overlap is bigger than others). But for me it's pretty safe to say that there's no overlap between the two when I look at nude life drawing sketches and figure practises. And while there áre a lot of sexualized images of men and women in here, this site has much more to offer than that, it you know where to look and where not to (this is pretty much how you should treat every big site, by the way).

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    The irony , is that ancient art contains load more sex than modern art....

    So much guilt , so little time....

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    Quote Originally Posted by xzacto View Post
    I don't mean to make waves, Just feel like opening up a discussion for anyone who has an opinion.

    EDIT: apparently I just put too much information about this. just going to leave it open.

    ARE Sexual limits being pushed within the art community? in what ways? Does it Matter?
    Since the OP changed I'm going to respond again.
    Are limits being pushed? I don't think so, or at least not much.
    What I think is that societies view on sexuality changes constantly. And art expressions are part of this.
    When I was young I was not allowed to read certain books for my school exams. Because those books did not match that school's moral views.
    Nowadays on the same school many of those books are allowed for reading.

    With 'visual' art it was even worse.
    An image with nudity would be condemned. However, when the same image is made by a historical 'master' it's all of a sudden art and is allowed.
    And when I see the images famous painters of the 16th and 17th century made I really wonder about the way I was raised.
    The only thing that changed in time is the way I was and am looking at art, not the actual art itself.


    I see people mention that sex sells.
    I think this is a misconseption. Sex (or better, a feeling of sensuality) sells when there is a direct relationship with the product. Or branded for a specific audience. But it can also weaken the image of a product.
    Just putting an image of a 'sexual attractive' woman in the add does not generate extra sales for any product.

    So why do we see so many of those images if it doesn't work? Because other people didn't figure this out yet. They think because other people make those adds it works and will therefor also work for them. But they cannot see the revenues of the other companies nor the results of a different advertisement campaign.

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    Does anyone know any very good sexual painting artist .... I dont mean erotic of course , but sexual.

    Are they any ?

    There seems to be a huge gap between pronography and erotic art.... at least as far as I have searched or googled.

    Any link will be greatly appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zirngibism View Post
    Yes, I know there are a zillion exceptions, but I think it's fair to say that artists in their 20s are generally more interested in sexual artwork than artists in their 60s.
    Ilaekae, if you consider that every 60+ person in the world is an exception, then Zirngibism's statement is correct.

    That is my rational response.

    My initial reaction was the same as yours. Buaahaahaahaahaahaa!

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_jos View Post
    I see people mention that sex sells.
    I think this is a misconseption. Sex (or better, a feeling of sensuality) sells when there is a direct relationship with the product. Or branded for a specific audience. But it can also weaken the image of a product.
    Just putting an image of a 'sexual attractive' woman in the add does not generate extra sales for any product.

    So why do we see so many of those images if it doesn't work? Because other people didn't figure this out yet. They think because other people make those adds it works and will therefor also work for them. But they cannot see the revenues of the other companies nor the results of a different advertisement campaign.
    Did you read Buyology? The author makes that case, but the reason he uses is that the sexy person next to the product usually distracts consumers from the product itself, actually hurting the impression it's supposed to make. But I don't know if this is as true for the entertainment industry, because the sexy content is often PART OF the "product" itself, not a distraction from it.

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    Ilaekae, if you consider that every 60+ person in the world is an exception, then Zirngibism's statement is correct.

    That is my rational response.

    My initial reaction was the same as yours. Buaahaahaahaahaahaa!
    I know a lot of seniors, a good many of them artists from a club I was in. Maybe they were all just prudes, because they did a good job of hiding it. I'm 20, what do I know except from what I've observed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wooly ESS View Post
    Ilaekae, if you consider that every 60+ person in the world is an exception, then Zirngibism's statement is correct.

    That is my rational response.

    My initial reaction was the same as yours. Buaahaahaahaahaahaa!
    Viagra was a market failure... But it's OK to keep you rolling off the bed. At this age breaking something is a major league concern so my life ensurance made my installments smaller since I'm using it.
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    "Sex Sells" is one of those things that cannot be understood by just hearing it. What sells is dreaming and lot's of people dream about all kinds of stuff every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaorr View Post
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    This is the most bizarre Psychological stuff I have ever seen. Masterfull.

    Does anyone know who this artist is?

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    Well well, didn't know there's more to OP's post than i initially read..


    "It's almost as though people are drawing to purposefully feed that part of a guy that can't bare to look away from a seductress image thus getting attention for the wrong initial reasons"

    It's getting attention for all the right initial reasons, otherwise it wouldn't be a seductress image, duh. Artistic skill is a default, people don't make art anymore just for that, they make art to provoke something more in your brain than "oooh, purty colours".

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    zaorr I'm f*%$ eating here buddy..geez.

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