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    German Cannibal...yum yum

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    LOL my mom told me about that. Yeah, the guy shouldn't be put in jail at all. The cannibal and the other man (maybe we should call him "dinner" ) agreed to be ate. So whats wrong with that? No ones a victom. Hell, its a win-win situation here.

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    Why? The the one guy wanted to eat a person, the other wanted to be eaten by a person. So whats the crime in that? If eating people is your thing, so ahead! Just don't eat people who don't want to be eaten.

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    Ever thought about manipulation AnarchyAo2 ?

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    actually, i agree with anarchy in principle. the court found that the guy that was eaten wasnt manipulated into doing it. the cannibal really only wanted to eat someone who truly wanted to be eaten. there was another potential 'victim' who decided at the last moment he didnt want to die, so the cannibal guy willingly let him go. i think they went and had a coffe together.

    admittedly, its a fairly grey area, but i dont really see the problem in this case. personal responsibility and all that.

    still, we do live in a world where we dont even own our own lives, so its not a surprise he went to jail.
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    Mike, if I didn't believe it I wouldn't have said it. I don't want to make a debate out of this so I'll just leave it at that.

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    anarchy, you say alot of dumb stuff in the "Lounge" area.

    go do some homework or something

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    Originally posted by AnarchyAo2
    Why? The the one guy wanted to eat a person, the other wanted to be eaten by a person. So whats the crime in that? If eating people is your thing, so ahead! Just don't eat people who don't want to be eaten.
    For one, there's something wrong with people who want to eat humans. They're insane in the brain and should be put away from the sane people. Otherwise who knows what they'll do next?

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    Originally posted by AnarchyAo2
    Why? The the one guy wanted to eat a person, the other wanted to be eaten by a person. So whats the crime in that? If eating people is your thing, so ahead! Just don't eat people who don't want to be eaten.
    Assisted suicide is still essentially murder, unfortunately. (There is a debate over euthanasia though, but that doesn't apply here unfortunately.) Also, the person who wanted to be eaten obviously wasn't right in the head to make such a request. Instead of granting his request, the lawful, SANE thing to do would be to get the guy to a doctor. For the same reason you'd get someone to a doctor who wants to kill him or herself for whatever other reason.

    To tell the truth, I'm surprised this guy's only getting 8&1/2 years.
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    In fact, the other guy really wanted to get killed. The BKA (german equal to the FBI) found internet forums where cannibals and people who want to get killed (NO bullshit!!) arrange for meetings.
    I myself saw such a forum once, and I still can't believe it.

    Again, no bullshit, there are people who like to kill others and there are people who want to get killed - and eaten.
    Really, many psychiatrist tried to get into those people's minds to find out why they behave so extremely deranged.

    And under this circumstances - with the assisted suicide - german courts can only set up the highest sentence for that.

    I know, this guy would do this again, and I would lock him until he's dead.

    But the basic idea of democracy has to be protected, and the german gouvernment and the people are carrying the responsibility for him.

    So it's not possible to lock him until end of time if Germany wants to live the idea of its constitution. If Germany won't, then there's no need for a constitution and an elected government.

    I hope you understand what I want to say, it's not possible because of the rights we set for ourselves.

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    Originally posted by cucaracha
    So it's not possible to lock him until end of time if Germany wants to live the idea of its constitution. If Germany won't, then there's no need for a constitution and an elected government.

    I hope you understand what I want to say, it's not possible because of the rights we set for ourselves.
    No, I don't know what you're saying, given that you just made such a nonsequitor argument.

    You claim that we can't lock him up for good due to the rights we set for ourselves. If that were true, then it would not be possible for us to deal with new types of crime by creating new laws or changing old ones in our democracy.
    However, this is not the case, as sentences and legal punishments are changed all the time to deal with crimes in democracies around the world, and certainly they are often changed to deal with new types of crime, or to better protect the peoples rights, and so on.
    In fact, one of the strengths of democracy is that it has the ability to change over time.
    Additionally, one of the concepts behind basic human rights is that people do not "set" them - they are always there, and always need to be upheld. No one, not a government or another person, can ever take them away from you, and you cannot give them away.

    Which brings me to the cannibal. Even if someone wants you to kill and eat him, you're still violating his personal rights due to the fact that the guy was obviously in need of some professional help. A sane person does not want someone to kill and eat him...something was obviosly terribly, terribly wrong with that person to want such a thing. And the guy who carried out his request was in the wrong, because since he knew about it, it should've been his responsibility to seek out help for the man instead of actually doing it.
    That said, considering the man only got 8 years for something that really shouldn't have been classified as manslaughter especially given that it was premeditated, obviously germany, being democratic in nature, needs to consider this case when it decides to change its laws and penalties.

    Also, you sound a little like you're phoning your opinion in. If so, out of curiosity, who'd you read that from? I swear I've heard someone else ramble on the "they can't change the law because of the rights they set" nonsequitor before.
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    I think you misunderstood me.

    I was trying to say, that the law in germany couldn't be changed for individuals.
    There is bureaucracy in Germany, you know.

    This man is able to be as deranged as he wants to be, he has the same rights like everyone else here. And if one's asked to assist suicide, there's no difference for Mr. Normal and the horrible cannibal infront of the law.
    edit: of course, the court considers psychologic appraisals (again - right translation? you know, papers about his mental illness)

    I hope you understand what I wanted to say.

    normally, persons like that stay only 8 years in prison with lifetime surveillance in a "closed institute" (don't know the right translation) afterwards. He isn't returning to normal life after 8 years.

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    Okay. Amphex, you think i'm just being dumb. I'll explain my ideas. Until recent years being "gay" was considered wrong. Why? Because it isn't natural (or a majority isn't that way). Isn't cannibalism the same way? AND in this case, being eaten or wanting to eat someone was on sexual impluse. Which makes it even more relevent to my analogy. I think that if your living, you can do whatever you want, be able to experience everything you want before you die. And if you wish to end your life (or you experiences) by being eaten then you should. But, basically everyplace on earth is controlled by a majority who opposes it. So what do you do? Commit a crime, but is it really a crime if the "victom" and the "murderer" had a mutual feeling about the crime? I don't think so, because the laws are there to protect the people. So, I really don't see the harm.

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    Originally posted by DanSTC

    Even if someone wants you to kill and eat him, you're still violating his personal rights due to the fact that the guy was obviously in need of some professional help.
    you wouldnt be saying that if you wanted to be eaten :p

    /me returns to stirring his pot of shit


    but in all seriousness, it seems preposterous to me that we are not allowed to choose wether we live or die. just as noone has the right to take my life (including the government), neither should they have the right to prevent me from taking it.


    Anarchy: i dont think youre analogy is justifiable (although i see what you are trying to say). its proven that cannibalism is unnatural (i.e., the diseases caused by it, in humans and animals alike). being gay is generally accepted as not being "unnatural" (AFAIK it also doesnt make you go bananas) also, im pretty sure gay people would be offended by being compared to cannibals :p
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    Originally posted by cucaracha
    I think you misunderstood me.


    Indeed I did. I believe I owe you an apology.

    Sorry about that, but about 2 weeks ago I had a heated real-life argument with a guy who was going gaga over socialism, and spouting stuff about democracy similar to what I had mistakenly lead myself to believe you were saying.

    normally, persons like that stay only 8 years in prison with lifetime surveillance in a "closed institute" (don't know the right translation) afterwards. He isn't returning to normal life after 8 years.
    Well thank goodness for that.
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    Originally posted by AnarchyAo2
    But is it really a crime if the "victom" and the "murderer" had a mutual feeling about the crime? I don't think so, because the laws are there to protect the people. So, I really don't see the harm.
    Can I have permission to kill you for the sheer purpose of pleasure?

    If not then I'm going to go see if I can't get permission to rob the local bank or something.

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    Originally posted by AnarchyAo2
    Okay. Amphex, you think i'm just being dumb.
    Mistake #1 - responding to the troll.

    He's not worth your time, and he's obviously just trying to start trouble by getting into a flamewar with you in this thread. Just put him on your ignore list and/or let the mods deal with him.
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    DanSTC : I was not trying to start trouble. I assumed anarchy was, seeing as that opinion is so radical as to be easily seen as just said to get a rise out of people.

    Obviously you are not doing that anarchy, and while I do not agree with your opinion at all, I apologize for my rude remark.

    Murder is against the law. Mercy killing is against the law. "Thou shall not kill", Not "Thou shall not kill unless the other person wants to be killed and you plan on eating them afterwards" .

    Homosexuals do not kill anyone in their actions. If two homosexuals would like to take part in sexual activities, it is nothing that would be illegal for a man and a woman to do. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for cannibals.


    P.S. - DanSTC - though my comment was immature, there is no need to call me a "troll", as that is simply sinking to my level, and is both uncalled for, and could easily start a flame war of your own.

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    My analogy was bad. It wasn't very accurate, but I think it got my main point across. I only used gays as an example because their a minority who overcame the opression(?) of citizens and the goverment (legal gay marriages for example).

    Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't eat anyone. Cannibalism isn't really a big problem. No goverment can stop it either. If they arn't being open about eating each other, they're forming secret societies else where (the internet for example). The goverment only knows about this until its too late(or they don't find out at all, who knows how many cases have been left unknown). They may be able to shut down these forums or chat rooms but there isn't much else. The interent is such a complex place that its viritually impossible to stop all interactions between them. And if the cannibals are eating each other, I'm fine with it. The goverment should step in only if people who don't want to be eaten are being eaten. Some people think its murder or something. Though, when you think about it, the cannibal is only a tool in the suicide. If the "eaten" wanted to die, then they'd kill themself anyway.

    "Originally posted by AnarchyAo2
    But is it really a crime if the "victom" and the "murderer" had a mutual feeling about the crime? I don't think so, because the laws are there to protect the people. So, I really don't see the harm.
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    Can I have permission to kill you for the sheer purpose of pleasure?

    If not then I'm going to go see if I can't get permission to rob the local bank or something."

    If I gave you persmission then yes. I'm not going to though.

    Also, if you got permission from a bank to rob them. It wouldn't be a robbery anymore.

    "For one, there's something wrong with people who want to eat humans. They're insane in the brain and should be put away from the sane people."

    Right and wrong are weak words. Right and wrong are seen as a surpreme law for knowing what to do and what not to do. Who determines whats right and wrong? I guess that depends on who you ask. What makes a person insane anyway? No, really. I don't know. Is it someone who is radically different from everyone else? In anycase, they have separeted themself from the "sane" people. Thats why they formed these secret online socities.


    "(i.e., the diseases caused by it, in humans and animals alike)"

    What about STDs?

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    lol shit, I accidently pressed "quote" besides edit. My bad!

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    Originally posted by AnarchyAo2
    Also, if you got permission from a bank to rob them. It wouldn't be a robbery anymore.
    Foiled again by the hamburgler!

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    Hah, you can tell that guy eats people just from looking at him. Either that or he looks like a James Bond villain.

    Anyway, I don't see why you jump at Anarchy... judging from the article, it does seem like a victimless crime. But
    , I'll take the guess that amphex is religious, and leave it at that.

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    You know this guy is one:
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    who's to say who's sane and who's insane? can you call every member of a tribe in which cannibalism is a ritual insane? and besides - several experts said this guy was completely sane. I don't know what to think but I find at least equally chilling what nil said about our not owning our own lives.
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    Cannibalism is not a crime in germany.There are various levels of murder/killing s.o.,killing-on-invitation,killing-w.o.-reason(deathblow=totschlag) and killing-for-low-reason(murder-niedere beweggründe)(don`t know if that's all).Caterpillar says cannibalism was done in tribes.That's an argument.In our culture it is not imbedded.People who know the victim get hurt in their feelings by this insanity.Both the cannibal and the victim who agrees are insane.Because the victim is insane it has no value if he says he want`s to be eaten.People who think about suicide don't want to die,they just want another life.
    It?s no argument that cannibalism should be allowed,because it still exists when it(would be) forbidden(AnarchyAo2 says this).Nothing is automatically stopped in the moment it's rated as crime.With this you can justify anything.If the cannibal has a good suggestion skill he'll be more than an instrument.
    Maybe the next cannibal will claim that the victim agreed,if he does or not.Could be difficult to prove murder without a corpse.

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    Originally posted by AnarchyAo2
    Okay. Amphex, you think i'm just being dumb. I'll explain my ideas. Until recent years being "gay" was considered wrong. Why? Because it isn't natural (or a majority isn't that way). Isn't cannibalism the same way? AND in this case, being eaten or wanting to eat someone was on sexual impluse. Which makes it even more relevent to my analogy. I think that if your living, you can do whatever you want, be able to experience everything you want before you die. And if you wish to end your life (or you experiences) by being eaten then you should. But, basically everyplace on earth is controlled by a majority who opposes it. So what do you do? Commit a crime, but is it really a crime if the "victom" and the "murderer" had a mutual feeling about the crime? I don't think so, because the laws are there to protect the people. So, I really don't see the harm.
    Heck, why don't we make raping of children legal as well?
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    If the child agrees then it shouldn't be rape. Nowdays, if someone over the age of 18 has sex with someone under 18 then the one under 18 can claim rape. Then the other person goes to jail. You know some people do that just for spite.

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