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    Team CHOW III: White Rabbit

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    Topic and guidelines:

    Though often used as a form of divination, we'll be approaching it from a strictly design perspective. Each card is meant to tell a very particular tale (though this tale often depends on the reader) and has many symbols and meanings attached to it. The goal will be to do each card as a character-based (this is still chow) illustration to illuminate the meaning of the card. However, the specific meaning and the symbols will be up to you. We will, however, be following mostly to the Rider-Waite deck, with the exception that we will be using Princess instead of Page.

    If you have any more questions about the above, please feel free to ask.

    And here are the Rules ::

    1. Your team will choose TWO CARDS per person to illustrate. So, a 2 person team needs 4, a 4 person team 8, etc. This is the minimum requirement, you may choose more.
    2. You may only take major arcana for half your cards, please choose Lesser Arcana (The Suits) for at least half. Bonus points for those who do mostly Lesser Arcana!
    3. You will post your choices in this thread. I will allow 4 teams per card. First come, first serve. If we get all the cards covered by at least four teams each, I will then be open to letting you pick cards that are already full. We want to make sure to get a full deck!
    4. Please make sure that your files can be sized down to 9 cm by 15.5 cm (or 3.543 x 6.1 inches) at 300 dpi. I'm exploring the option of seeing if we can get it printed, so please make sure your work is print-quality, or please write "OPT OUT OF PRINT" when you submit your work so I know you're not interested in having your cards printed as part of your deck.
    5. PLEASE DO NOT START DRAWING UNTIL JANUARY FIRST! Right now is the time to get everyone's cards assigned and start brainstorming, but please don't start drawing as it's unfair for the other teams.
    6. That's it, Have Fun!

    Reference links:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarot
    http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/

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    These are our cards:

    Queen of Wands- http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/learn...gs/queens.html
    II The High Priestess- http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/learn...priestess.html
    XVII The Star- http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/learn/meanings/star.html
    Ten of Cups- http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/learn/meanings/tens.html
    XIV Temperance- http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/learn...emperance.html
    Seven of Pentacles- http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/learn...gs/sevens.html

    Three major arcana and three lesser arcana.

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    We can start brainstorming about the kind of work we want to do, characters, presentation etc.

    This is intended as cards but character is the main focus, so i think we need to show characters in full figure or at least 3/4.Probably avoiding back view could be a good idea.
    Full scenes could work but minimalist scenes with composition(using the card as background perhaps) could work too.

    A theme needs to be aadressed: Fantasy,sci fi, quotidian,etc.

    How you want to work? full collaboration type of work,two cards per each one of us,choosing a "style" to match all the work. Etc

    Anyway, just some thougths on this.
    Ionic and Dark_Eyes, let me know what you think.

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    Hey guys! Looking forward to the challenge! My pc just crapped out on me, so i have to rely on my laptop/corel painter backup for now, should have a solution for my main workstation soon. I'm cool with your choices Dimagyan. Actually it looks like we could split those up into one female one male for each of us. I'm thinking female: Queen of Wands, The High Priestess, Temperance? and male: The star?, Ten of Cups? Seven of Pentacles? I'm kinda' partial to a sci-fi theme, just to contrast with the last round. Anyways, I'm flexible, so let me know what you guys think, and i'll start sketching right away... GO TEAM

    here's some written descriptions for the ryder-waite deck: http://www.sacred-texts.com/tarot/pkt/index.htm

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    Ok, Dark Eyes.Good luck with your workstation.

    Im not sure about star represented in the form of a man(it could be though) but ten of cups and seven of pentacles i agree with you.

    We could start by "choosing" the characteristics we want to represent for each card, just as a starting point( for instance seven of pentacles:patience, control of yourself,etc)

    Regarding the "genre" i do like the idea of a sci fi theme.I think it could be framed by a quotidian kind of situations and enviroments(for instance: regular clothes and houses but with some elements that show technology) similar of what happens today, where you can find people with celular phones living in poor settlement or quite old houses refurbished and with modern furnitures and lcd on the wall...just quick examples.

    We need to adress also the style and type of work we want to do, or at least how we could establish a cohesive set.

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    I dig the sci-fi. Do we have cards picked out yet? Dima' like I said I really need you to delegate on this one! I'm gonna be super busy... I'll have time to do the art but not really a lot of time to figure stuff out! whatever is agreed upon... I'm down for. I also like the idea of each of us doing one male and one female!

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    Don't worry Ionic.My main concern was to establish the genre and big frame to work, once the three of us have this decided it would be time to start sketching.

    Ok, so we all agree on sci-fi.Now it would be time to choose cards.
    Ionic if you agree i would like you do Temperance and Ten of cups

    Temprerance:http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/learn...emperance.html

    Angel,merging seemingly impossible opossites,moderation,etc. (suggestion: Moderation seems to be the most "clear" meaning, so i think you could work the character upon this idea, someone who try to find a common field, seeking balance)

    Images of different Temperance cards: http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/images/temperance.shtml

    Ten of Cups:http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/learn/meanings/tens.html

    Permanence of joy,love, friendship.Family that one wants to see, etc.
    (Suggestion: This seems to be a good card to portrait a character that can be supportive, loyal and one can trust.A character that can be an essential part of an hipotetic protagonist.)

    you could do Temperance as a female(angel or perhaps some kind of "spiritual techno character") and Ten of cups as a male(Perhaps an old male, grandfather or uncle, it needs to be someone one can rely on...so perhaps an old man who gives the idea of a wise man, a gardener, a carpenter? some craft that needs time, patience and practise and study...anyway you see what i mean. It needs to be different than the seven of pentacles that is represented by a farmer)

    Dark Eyes, tell me what cards you want to do and i will take the rest(Seven of pentacles and queen of wands are lesser Arcana and The high priestess and the star are major Arcana)

    I will post a shedulle later.

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    Hey guys.. Dimagyan, I'd like to do the High Priestess and the Seven of pentacles, but if you like one of those i'm happy to exchange..

    Well, i took a lot of notes here, doing some research, so take it all with a grain of salt... just trying to stir the pot...

    The original Rider-Waite deck was illustrated by Pamela Coleman Smith in 1909. She was an initiate of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, that's the order that Aleister Crowley was a member of before he split from the group to create his own "mystical" order. Most of these secret societies are offshoots of freemasonry, complete with sacred symbolism and initiations. The majority of my research comes from Israel Regardie's book, "the Golden Dawn". To clarify, I don't buy into tarot as anything but a tool for finding interesting coincidences, but I do appreciate the colorful archetypes it provides for creative brainstorming. In case you wondered where all the paranoid conspiracies come from, here is an excerpt from a 1917 rosicrucian manual (another masonic-like organization similar to the golden dawn): Name:  AMORC%20illuminatti.jpg
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    Queen of Wands: Wands=Fire , -Love of money, or a certain success in business ; adaptability; steady force applied to an object; steady rule; great attractive power; power of command; kind and generous when not opposed.. Reversed: can be obstinate, revengeful, domineering, and tyrannical

    -Sounds like a very strong, and beloved matriarch, with a capacity for vengence, She represents material wealth, so in this case probably high-tech would be involved. Typically illustrated as a red-head with a beautiful and resolute face, surrounded by winged leopards and flames on her throne...

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    II The High Priestess: planet= moon; represents the Secret Church; Priestess of the silver star; The great feminine force controlling the very source of life, gathering into herself all the energizing forces and holding them in solution until the time of release; one of the highest and holiest of the greater arcana; Depicted as female holding sacred TORA scroll seated between sacred pillars at the entrance of the sacred temple; the sacred bride of the just man, colors =pale blue deepening into sky blue, silvery white and silver, relieved by touches of orange and flame...

    -hmmm a translator of secret science? Maybe a super intelligent scientist of the future? An ancient priestess from a long extinct but highly technologically evolved race.. maybe a type 3 or 4 on the kardashev scale? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale Maybe she could be in a quotidian setting, like a super advanced creature in a moonlit park at night or an alien priestess addressing a college of cardinals?

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    XVII The Star: symbol = aquarius, or water; eternal youth and beauty; colors= amethyst, pale grey, white and pale yellow; immortality; gifts of the spirit, promise of ultimate attainment; the guiding force of love in all its forms; Depicted as a naked woman pouring the waters of life underneath the starry sky.

    -I don't know, maybe a beautiful geneticist, who has attained immortal beauty of her own design? I guess there's a lot of wiggle room, the star could play a part in the narrative, like scientist at her work station, harnessing the power of a local star? I guess this could be male or female doesn't really matter, as long as the narrative is there...

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    Ten of Cups: cups = water; planet = mars; permanent and lasting success; the lord of material happiness; pleasure; debauchery; contentment; repose of the entire heart; perfection of human love and friendship; reversed: repose of the false heart, indignation, violence

    -off the top of my head, i imagine a hermaphroditic, siamese twin-like alien species, representing the perfect union between sexes... or maybe an alien in an upper class, modernized setting, representing the achievement of material happiness..

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    XIV Temperance: symbol = saggitarius; counter-changed forces between fire and water; floating androgynous angel, one foot on the ground in front of a volcano; changes in the seasons; perpetual movement of life and the combination of ideas; tempers, combines and harmonises the psychic and material natures; colors: bright blue, blue-grey, slate-blue, and lilac-grey

    -hmmm, maybe a technological psychic? Someone that mediates the thoughts of another, bridging the gap between the psychic/energetic and the physical/matter? There are so many ways you could go with this one...

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    Seven of Pentacles: Pentacles (coins) = earth; success unfulfilled; unprofitable speculation and employment; little gain for much labor; rose buds represent a lack of flowering success; crushed hopes; disappointment, misery, slavery, necessity and baseness; a card of money, business, barter but with very different interpretations, one tending towards altercation and quarrels, another to innocence, ingenuity, and purgation. Reversed: cause for anxiety regarding money which it may be proposed to lend

    -right away i think of an alien shop keeper, down on his luck, looking forlornly at his wares...

    I suppose we need some graphic design around the edges to name and number the cards... Style wise we could go more design centric like Alphonse Mucha, or we could go for a more realistic portrayal for the sake of narrative... dunno, i kinda' feel like the borders should unify the designs, so that we can be more free with the narrative and our own individual styles... just my thoughts....

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    White rabbit... That name makes me think of fear and loathing. The part with Rauls attorney in the bathtub. Good luck to you guys and its gonna be fun to see what comes out of your team.

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    I think we should go a more divine path with these characters and make them bigger than life... almost a pantheon of gods. something epic on each card... just get the idea of the card and run with it.

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    Ionic: Are we supposed to keep things in the same genre? The rules don't say anything specific about it, but dimagyan kinda' made it seem that way. I'm cool with whatever, but the seven of pentacles feels like a very mortal card to me, i.e. lack of successful business (not a very divine attribute). I was approaching it from a sci-fi perspective, but i guess the science fiction/divine-fantasy thing could overlap (I wanted the high priestess to be larger than life).

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    Dark_Eyes: Just interpret it in your own way... no one said it would be easy... brainstorm a lot before you even put pen to pad... I'll show you what I mean when I do mine... I've got some interesting concepts for mine very odd cards enjoy homies

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    Ionic: Cool, I guess we are all gonna' do our own thing. Just didn't know if we were going to fit them all in a genre, Dimagyan is that cool with you? Tarot cards are pretty diverse anyways, makes more sense to branch off into different ideas...

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