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    CA Star System

    The CA "star ratings" appear to be based on a 5 point grading scale:

    5 Stars = A
    4 Stars = B
    3 Stars = C
    2 Stars = D
    1 Star = F

    Wouldn't it be better if the stars represented more of a "restaurant rating" type of star system?

    Initially, I saw a Sketch Book or two that I'd have liked to have thrown a star or two to. BUT, understanding the "star ratings," I realized that would have been a REAL insult!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamber Parrk View Post
    The CA "star ratings" appear to be based on a 5 point grading scale:

    5 Stars = A
    4 Stars = B
    3 Stars = C
    2 Stars = D
    1 Star = F
    How did you come to that conclusion? and what would that mean for threads with no star rating?

    I think you misunderstand.The star system is not meant to rate the value of a thread relative to another thread.

    I always viewed the star system as a way in which members could show appreciation for a particular thread.The system could serve as a motivational tool to artists who choose to value it, but you are not being judged.

    In this community everyone is here to get inspired and learn no matter how many stars their sketchbook may have. Getting any stars should be a compliment because it means that people are interested enough in your art to give you feedback and motivate you.

    If you think of art as merely a competition, you'll only be as good as your competitors.

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    Oh, I thought the star system was just there so people could counter trolls/jealous artists rating one star on honest members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mute View Post
    How did you come to that conclusion? and what would that mean for threads with no star rating?

    I think you misunderstand.The star system is not meant to rate the value of a thread relative to another thread.

    I always viewed the star system as a way in which members could show appreciation for a particular thread.The system could serve as a motivational tool to artists who choose to value it, but you are not being judged.

    In this community everyone is here to get inspired and learn no matter how many stars their sketchbook may have. Getting any stars should be a compliment because it means that people are interested enough in your art to give you feedback and motivate you.

    If you think of art as merely a competition, you'll only be as good as your competitors.
    Mute:

    I came to "that conclusion" by the FACT that the rating system judges 2 Stars as "Bad", and 1 Star as "Terrible!"

    This SUBSTANTIALLY raises the threshhold for giving "props" to a thread that might be "pretty dang good" and more worthy of a look-see, but, nowhere near the quality of perhaps a thread by Randis or el coro!

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    I've always thought the same thing. If you just take the word labels off the stars so one star isn't considered "terrible" but a small honor I think the system would work better. Or at least it would open the star system up to more people.

    It is kind of discouraging to know that to get ANY stars on your sketchbook it has to be five star worthy or people will feel like they can't rate it anything. It would be nice to be able to use the whole range. I mean how many threads are there that have less than four stars? None I've seen. It's always four, five or none.

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    I'm confused. You want to give a person a star rating but don't agree that a 2 star would be a D? If you think they deserve a C or B then give them more stars. It's no different from the Youtube star rating system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamber Parrk View Post
    Mute:

    I came to "that conclusion" by the FACT that the rating system judges 2 Stars as "Bad", and 1 Star as "Terrible!"

    This SUBSTANTIALLY raises the threshhold for giving "props" to a thread that might be "pretty dang good" and more worthy of a look-see, but, nowhere near the quality of perhaps a thread by Randis or el coro!

    Ah, i see what your saying.
    I agree with you that the labeling of the stars in the menu is not so great, but (for the most part) I think the people don't really pay attention to that and use the stars more like....well, like a restaurant rating like you said.

    ...my humble and uneducated opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckWeisel View Post
    I'm confused. You want to give a person a star rating but don't agree that a 2 star would be a D? If you think they deserve a C or B then give them more stars. It's no different from the Youtube star rating system.
    Don't be confused!

    Here's the point: CA seems to be a rather polite society-- everyone wants usefull crits, but (most) people don't want to be utter A-holes or even mildly harsh.

    On one hand, a "C" grade is a bit of a smack in the head, on the other hand, it is perhaps an overstatement, given that, unlike in academia, no one really has the balls to smack people with "D" and "F" grades here in our polite society!

    Thus, it would be nice to be able to rate a SB with One Star as a message to others to say, "hey take a look at this" without either insulting the Poster or falsely puffing up their ego.

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    This happens to all forums i have been. Same question. Then you have some jealous guys who gives * or ** or *** stars just to underrate your thread.
    There is no better way for this thing. It is important that you are satisfied with your work.

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    i think if the star system ignored outliers like any good random sample it would be alot more fair.

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    no matter what the stars say, once we open a thread our eyes will see the work for what it is. No bad rating will make it worse and no good rating and hype will make it better.
    But yes, 1 star ratings can have a bitter taste sometimes but the majority usually rules.

    Not 100% tho... Due to so many threads the visitors tend to click on the 4 and 5 star threads, discriminated the unrated and poorly rated posts.

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    Problem as I see it (may not be true, that's just the feeling I'm getting) is that people are avoiding threads with few stars. They would rather open a thread with no stars than a thread with 1, 2 or 3 stars.

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    I just realised I never look at whether threads have stars or not. I'm mostly in the Sketchbook forum and I click on threads according to title and thumbnail, which in turn appeal to me according to my current mood.

    I see a slight problem with the stars.. if you see a thread with five stars, do you expect to see a high level of artwork there? I mean, if I were to start giving stars to threads, I would also give a person stars for good work or progress, even if they weren't on the same level as a lot of the more accomplished artists here. So you would have, say, two threads with the same rating, but different levels of artistic ability. Would people be annoyed at clicking a four or five star thread, expecting perfect art and "only" finding someone who has earned some stars because they've made great progress?

    (I'm not saying those with greater ability haven't put hard work into their work and made progress, of course!!)

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    The stars should be changed to smiley faces.

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    I do see a "I'll give you stars, so you give me stars" occasionally, but mainly on the whole I ignore them because I've been disappointed so many times with some 5 star rated SB that don't live up to the hype. Sure people might have a great time commenting, but if the work isn't top notch, what's the point? I click on more no star SBs than starred as I think they need more love and consideration, just like mine - and no, that was not a hint for any stars.


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    The sole purpose of the stars is to periodically spawn threads like this.


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    I think we could do away with the star system, especially in the sketchbook section. Everybody in there is trying to learn and struggle towards the same goal, i don't see the point at all in rating people that way. There is no need to weed out bad stuff like there is on Youtube, for example - it's all good stuff here, we're just at different points in the learning process.



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    Hrm...I would probably click on a one star thread before I clicked on a four or five star.....a one is way more rare around here.

    I'd have to second Crass on that point, rating sketchbooks seems a bit counterproductive at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CKLamb View Post
    Hrm...I would probably click on a one star thread before I clicked on a four or five star.....a one is way more rare around here.

    I'd have to second Crass on that point, rating sketchbooks seems a bit counterproductive at times.
    Maybe the star system is backward, * being the best while ***** being the worst.

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    The guide awards one to three stars to a small number of restaurants of outstanding quality. Stars are awarded sparingly; for instance, in the UK and Ireland 2004 guide, out of 5,500 entries, there are 98 with one star ("a very good restaurant in its category"), 11 with two stars ("excellent cooking, worth a detour"), and only 3 with three stars ("exceptional cuisine, worth a special journey").

    A 3-star Michelin ranking is exceedingly rare. Only 26 3-star restaurants exist in France, and only 81 in the world.[6]

    Since 1955, the guide has also highlighted restaurants offering "good food at moderate prices", a feature now called "Bib Gourmand". They must have a menu priced at no more than 28 in the case of the UK, or €40 in Ireland. The name comes from Bib (Bibendum), the Michelin Man, Michelin's logo for over a century.

    The guide also recognizes many restaurants without any stars or Bib Gourmands. These restaurants are usually rated solely on the scale of "forks and knives". The forks and knives rating is given to all restaurants recognized in the guide, and range from one to five, one fork and knife being "Quite comfortable restaurant" and five being "Luxurious restaurant". If the forks and knives are colored red they designate the restaurant to be "pleasant" as well. The forks and knives scale is designated to speak of the overall comfortability and quality of the restaurant, however any listing in the guide requires a relatively high standard of the kitchen as well.

    Restaurants, independently of their other ratings in the guide, can also receive a number of other symbols next to their listing.

    * The coins are given to restaurants that serve a menu for a certain price or less. The price depends on the local price-standard. In France the required price is currently €16.50.
    * Interesting view or Magnificent view, designated by a black or red symbol, are given to restaurants that offer dining with a view.
    * The grapes are given to restaurants that serve a somewhat interesting assortment of wine.


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    Besides, the "star system" would work in the internet, mainly because 1) there are no rating standards, and 2) everyone (as opposed to few elected people) can add stars, all it takes is been the best or an attention .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    The sole purpose of the stars is to periodically spawn threads like this.
    "You can see the stars and still not see the light!"

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    Who cares anyway?
    Let's turn this thread in something more fun



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    Let's turn this thread in something more fun
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    Weird...I think I might've seen one thread with 2 stars on it. o_O I never see threads with 1 star. I'm still curious what no stars might mean to some. I'm trying to shake away the idea that "my SB isn't good enough for even 3 stars".

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    The day my sketchbook becomes a 5 star thread will mark the first day I begin my career as a professional artist. Only with a 5 starred sketchbook under my belt can I tap into my true potential and create masterful pieces of artwerk.

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    Really? I'm going to start my professional career on ebay. =D

    If I can sell just two paintings a month at around 300 each, I'm already earning more than my monthly salary, teaching English full time here... From what I can tell there, I don't have too much competition on the landscape front.

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    People must not be paying poor Kamber enough attention, judging from today's posts.


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