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    Thumbs up 2 simple questions

    1) When you guys sketch in public, and there's nowhere to sit on, or if you're required to stand so as to achieve a particular eye-level etc., do you guys hold the sketchbook in one hand, and sketch?

    Currently, I tuck the sketchbook into my stomach area with my left hand and draw with my right hand, but after a while, the left hand starts to ache and it's very uncomfortable. Also, it's kinda shaky during the drawing process (let's not talk about easels for now).

    Any tips? Or will it get better once I get used to it? So far, 99% of the time, I've been sitting down comfortable at a chair and table and draw stuff in front of me, but today, when I sketch new objects while standing up, it's really hard.

    2) Is there a difference between illustration and fine arts, or are they both the same? I checked the threads here and read Wikipedia, but both seems to be about drawing?! I assume the job of an illustrator is to do nothing but draw and draw and draw and paint all day long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeon_OND View Post
    1) When you guys sketch in public, and there's nowhere to sit on, or if you're required to stand so as to achieve a particular eye-level etc., do you guys hold the sketchbook in one hand, and sketch?

    Currently, I tuck the sketchbook into my stomach area with my left hand and draw with my right hand, but after a while, the left hand starts to ache and it's very uncomfortable. Also, it's kinda shaky during the drawing process (let's not talk about easels for now).

    Any tips? Or will it get better once I get used to it? So far, 99% of the time, I've been sitting down comfortable at a chair and table and draw stuff in front of me, but today, when I sketch new objects while standing up, it's really hard.

    2) Is there a difference between illustration and fine arts, or are they both the same? I checked the threads here and read Wikipedia, but both seems to be about drawing?! I assume the job of an illustrator is to do nothing but draw and draw and draw and paint all day long.

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    1) You'll get used to it. Or lean the sketchbook against a wall.
    2) Illustration is usually a visual representation of something which a client requires, fine art is something the artist wants to do and then finds a cliŽnt for it.
    For a simple analogy, compare illustration with being a manwhore and fine art as being chronic masturbation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyskoa View Post
    2) Illustration is usually a visual representation of something which a client requires, fine art is something the artist wants to do and then finds a cliŽnt for it.
    For a simple analogy, compare illustration with being a manwhore and fine art as being chronic masturbation.
    Hey, girls can be illustrators too!
    Lots of discussion about illustration vs. fine art in these threads:
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=137800
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=132643
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=108385
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=107177


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    I think alot of confusion is sprang up over the difference between Fine Art and Illustration due to all art being illustrative but not necessarily being Illustration as a profession.
    Norman Rockwell apprently felt anxieties over this type of stuff, since he wasn't accepted by the 'higher' arts.

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    1> If you have to stand up, make a quick drawing, just enough to record the information you need of what goes where, make notes if you need them, and then go sit down somewhere else to finish things. There's no rule that you have to stay where you are as you draw. Not doing so will help your recall to not look at what you're drawing.
    2> All art is illustration.

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    Get a folding stool - easier to carry about than an easel.

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    1. Sorta the same. I brace my left upper-arm on my ribcage and rest the book on the inside of my forearm, against the crook of my elbow, maybe, sometimes, pressing the bottom edge against my body.

    2. N. C. Wyeth would have grabbed you by the shoulders, spun you around, and kicked you in the ass really hard for insinuating that illustration is not fine art!

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    For the standing part, carry a light sketchbook with lesser pages, i do that, but then again i also carry an a3 sketchbook too, if its too heavy then it will take you time to get used to it...
    for the second question, please click Elwell's links.

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    1. What everyone else said. And practice your drawing from memory. Take a good 1-3mins studying what your drawing, and then sit down to draw it.

    2. People already covered it.

    SECONDS: Do you work from life of photographs?
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    What about this?
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    Get a chair like this.

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    Wow, WTH is that, Taneli?
    It looks like a portable chair but it seems to be able to be used as a table too! Walkerstool is the name? I'm gonna check it out, though I'm not gonna buy it, cos' it'll cost me my life savings.

    Good idea, though. I could probably get a high foldable chair which can double as a portable surface for me to lean my drawing board on diagonally in public.

    Thanks dude!

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    Hmm.. doubt you could use them as a table, not sturdy enough. Even sitting isn't much of a party. They sound like a great idea, but I found them to be pretty uncomfortable to sit on, to be honest.

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    Not only that, Midgard, this type of chair broke down under my 100kg.

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    Something like this is fine. I had one that lasted years. When the fabric eventually wore out, I wove a new one with string - still works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjoern3000 View Post
    Not only that, Midgard, this type of chair broke down under my 100kg.
    LMAO when I imagined a scene of the chair splattering apart under big fat butts. LOL I always assume you were a lean mean guy (that avatar = your self portrait)?

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    Xeon: I have a relatively slim face but due to my bodybuilding background centuries ago I weight more than the average guy. I mean I have a bit of body fat but an average 100kg guy has more fat than I do. And I still have problems buying jeans. A jeans that fits on my thighs is too wide on the waist. A jeans that would fit on my waist is too narrow on the thighs - if I can pull them up at all.
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