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    gay and lesbian art ?

    hi every body
    my name is shahar and i am the moderator of gay art forum

    The forum that I a moderator of is collecting gay and lesbian artists and art from all over the world

    I would like to show you some of the images from the gay art forum


    It will be great to get your opinion about





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    neat stuff. I know you want to get the word out and all, but i'm wondering if this is the right place to advertise.


    The picture with the 2 males nude with their child i find kind of...exterme.

    Personally i think sexuality and parenthood should be seperated... though it is just art...and it's meant to turn heads.

    good luck with the forum, hope someone finds interest in it.

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    Most people, even myself, find my own views contradictary.


    I am a firm believer and sort of a supporter of gay rights. But I really don't see why gay art should be done for gay art's sake. I feel most of the pictures there are appreciation and study for the human body......while a couple have interesting symbolism. Not being so, err, explicit about sexuality or sexual preference isn't bad too.

    But I guess its part of the social gestalt of current times. Still its got some interesting stuff from what's posted. Good luck with the forum.

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    i dont have anything against gay people but why should the term "gay art" even exist when no one talks about "hetero art". there shouldnt be pictures made just for the sake that you are gay. i feel most gay and lesbian people fight for equal rights which is totally understandable but on the other hand they show it all the time just for the sake of it.

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    i'm not touching this thread with a 2-meter pole. but i'll say this; i don't like someone's sexual preferences shoved in my face. sexual orientation has very little to do with the art people make. don't use it as an excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yutani
    i don't like someone's sexual preferences shoved in my face.
    I have a feeling I could tell you I'm straight until I'm blue in the face and paint hundreds of pictures of men kissing women it wouldn't bother you at all.


    Quote Originally Posted by Yutani
    sexual orientation has very little to do with the art people make.
    Are you kidding me?! Have you looked at this board?! Every second picture is a scantily clad woman! Face it man, you've got a double standard.

    Gender, sexual preference, religion, race, everything about us goes into the art we create.

    Calling something gay art is the same as calling another thing fantasy art. It's just a matter of subject. There's nothing wrong with creating a place for people to gather art of a similar nature.



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    I'm suprised this thread hasn't errupted in a flamewar yet. Anyways..

    Why labeling the art like this ? I understand the need to congregate as gay artists and/or categorise the subject depicted in the pieces, but isn't that detrimental to seclude gay & lesbian artists like this ? After all the activists work and sacrifices, why voluntarly stand asside ?
    Maybe it's just a matter of name, but this is what "Gay and Lesbian Art" feels to me, as a name for a community.

    2c over and out.

    P.S.: I hate tags, labels, non-dits, stereotypes and preconceptions.

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    My own current work or atleast the work I've been proud enough to show on here has been a set of roses some would label that homosexual art because a flower is feminine.

    For that reason I do not wish for art to be labeled homosexual or lesbian because who's to say what's homosexual or lesbian and even if to females or males are kissing together it could have many other meanings (metaphors, symbolism) than to be blunty gay or lesbian.

    In my opinion; Art is art careless of the sexual agenda behind it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yutani
    i'm not touching this thread with a 2-meter pole. but i'll say this; i don't like someone's sexual preferences shoved in my face. sexual orientation has very little to do with the art people make. don't use it as an excuse.
    I am, first and foremost, a fundamentalist Christian. It is a personal belief of mine that homosexuality is, in an overarcing absolute sense, wrong. However, I keep that on the same level as affirmative action and abortion, which I also think are wrong. As such I would keep any disagreements with people on these issues on the same objective, impersonal level. In the same sense that I as a conservative can have good friends who are liberal and not worry about it, I as a straight guy can have good friends who are gay and not worry about it; it's just a disagreement. Given all of that, I would not consider anything in art to be categorically offensive. Anything can be stylistically utilized in art as a perfectly legitimate device, and Anything can be used for base and sensual purposes. Many types of, say, nudity can and are used in purely platonic, nonsexual ways to make an artistic point. Many types of nudity can and are used in sexual ways to make an artistic point. Many types of nudity can and are used as pornography with no intent of deeper artistic meaning. I would consider both heterosexual and homosexual usages of nudity and any other stylistic device to be capable of falling into any of the above categories. Note that I'm not just speaking of nudity there. There are many different devices that can be used for both legitimately artistic purposes and for lesser, more base purposes. The introduction of homosexuality into the mix should have no immediate bearing on which of these the art is evaluated to be. In truth it's such a minor aspect of composition that it shouldn't matter. Many pieces that include a gay couple could be mirrored in intent and theme by a similar piece that includes a straight couple; in many cases it's merely an expression of love. Even if homosexuality and opinions about homosexuality are major themes of a piece, that shouldn't influence an appraisal of its quality any more than if the piece advocates political views that differ from your own. I certainly do not hold my opinions about moral and political issues to be paramount to the artstic expression of another. I've often said--not here, but I have said it--that while I am Conservative and believe in Absolutes of right and wrong, Art is Nothing and believes Nothing. Art has no political affiliations, Art has no morals, and Art has no opinions. Art is a language. Art is an inanimate medium harnessed by men in order to convey who they are and their beliefs, their political affiliations, their morals and their opinions. Now why in a context of analyzing how well an artist said what he was trying to say must we constantly be instead analyzing how much we agree with what he was trying to say?

    That's my two cents.

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    i agree with what you're trying to say SJ

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    its sad your art will never go any further then being gay. its such a crutch. and its a very visible and lame crutch. create art but not because your gay. thats lame. cmon people will see right through that. and no this isnt a an attack on gay people, its an attack on people who try ride the crutch train. thats like me saying. i create art because im diabetic. its diabetic art. im not diabetic, but the principal is the same nonetheless.

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    Im a lezbian trapped inside a guys body...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebluepuppy
    its sad your art will never go any further then being gay. its such a crutch. and its a very visible and lame crutch. create art but not because your gay. thats lame. cmon people will see right through that. and no this isnt a an attack on gay people, its an attack on people who try ride the crutch train. thats like me saying. i create art because im diabetic. its diabetic art. im not diabetic, but the principal is the same nonetheless.
    i totally agree, at first i was a little disturbed with this thread and it's images.
    please, it's kinda getting annoying that gays are screaming at the mass that they are gay...BIG DEAL if you are gay, i don't care.

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    I dont think sharhar is reading this anymore...no point in keeping thread going.

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    Why did you make this group for gay and lesbian people only? Are you trying to make a point, or accomplish some type of goal?

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    More images for discussion...

    Yes, I, Shahar am still reading this forum. And IMHO, I like the discussion that is going on here. Keep it up!

    What surprises me about this forum is that although you are all more focused on sexuality, you fail to discuss composition, color coding/cues, iconography, and usage form. It shows that some here lack the vocubulary necessary to discuss seriously art. But, there are some very intelligent people here I see.

    For your viewing pleasure, here are more photos/works. Enjoy.


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    I am looking forward to all of your replies. Don't worry I will read them all and contemplate about all of you.


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    admin's can you do something please?

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    Thumbs up Shahar! I'm liking the fact that you're making some people on this forum feel very uncomfortable with your gay art.

    Post some more!

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    I'm gonna chime in here.

    I don't care what sexual orientation anyone is, and it isn't m place to judge on that. I do, however, agree with most of the replies in this thread. People should create art for the sake of expressing thier emotions, but I don't think that it should be labelled "gay" art. Theres a difference between a genre and a sexual connotation. If anything, I would call most of the peices posted so far abstract. Just like someone else said, you don't see people labelling art depicting a hetero couple "hetero art". To be honest, it reminds me of the types of gay people who HAVE to let everyone know that they are gay and proud of it... like they're flaunting the fact that they're gay. TO be quite honest, I don't mind gay people, but I can't stand those types that are "completely out" and let you know at every chance... That is about how I feel towards the "Gay Art Forum".. Its kind of like "HEY! LOOK AT US! WE ARE GAY!!!! ...oh by the way, here is some art.."

    Just create art to express your emotions, if those happen to be expressed like the art seen in this thread, that's cool, but it doesn't need to be segregated and labelled...

    Just my .02

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    if you want advice on the pictures...why did u put them in the lounge area thats probably why everybody is hung on the whole gay subject thats what this thread is for. You should move it to the finished work thread or something. People will give you some good crits there. Try putting it there without saying its gay art. and if anyone truly asks why the pictures are the way they are. just tell them. It doesnt have to be that big of a subject.

    Just to let you know i can honestly care less whether the person who made these pics are gay or not. Some of these are damn good. The only thing i can say is none of them appeal to me. But, i do respect them for what they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuffinMan
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    your posts are gold muffinman.



    anyway. shahar. most people couldnt give a fuck whether or not your art was made by a gay person or not. To be honest i could care less. But as someone said earlier, it could well be a crutch. Let these people just be artists do there thing, post it in the finnaly finished section, and hey im sure youd get critiques, as you said talking about composition and colour etc etc etc. If there good artists and the art is good, its stands out, not as gay art, but just as art, possibly with gay content or made by a gay artist but honestly who cares, for about half of these no one would ever find out. However why are we going to critique somone else work here on this forum, when these people will never see it.

    Never the less its still probably not the right forum to do it in, this delves a bit too far into the abstract and fine arts side of things then most people around here are used to. The realistic ones would probably get a whole bunch of replies, without stating that there lesbian or gay in any which shape or form to gain atention. What on earth does sexual orientation and having artistic talent have to do with each other, it doesnt set that artist apart nor should they get anykind of special atention or treatment.

    But as balooga said it is however incredibly funny how uncompfortable people get in the face of stuff like this.

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    what the difference between gay art and non gay art?

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    Well, the actual non-photographic art isn't very good. Loud and energetic, but not very skillfully executed, which is a bit against the general flow of the forum. We all generally strive for skillful rendering styles, and the art there doesn't seem to be about that.

    As for the whole homosexual art thing, I don't care who draws what, but I don't really need to know their sexual orientation. People draw sexual things all the time, but it's a bit redundant, and attention -ish to go over the top and make it about your sexual preference instead of the art. Woohoo, you're gay! Guess what, you aren't special, and it won't make your art better. I wanna see the art, not a page worth of debating about sexuality's overt place in it. I also don't think you should be posting the art here, since this is a discussion forum. If your memebrs want to display their art, they should post in the appropriate sections.

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    Macho Macho Macho Man ya I want to be... A macho MACHO MACHO!!

    Anyways keep on doin what you're doing. Just don't get overly mad if somebody pushes hetero art into ya. Nice work nonetheless. Is that lady boxing thing a painting or charcoal shiznit or what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Rook
    your posts are gold muffinman.
    thank you.

    anyways, sharhar...i don't think people care wether it is gay or not.
    if you are gay, good for you. we don't care. i think you haven't figured that we are getting annoyed. becuase we already know your gay and we needn't know more. same thing with the gay pride parade in New York, that just freaks me out...really, if your gay...you don't HAVE to spread info about you being gay.
    now do you understand?

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    your welcome :]

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    shahar,

    As with most art/design I certainly like the more subtle and less attention grabbing works better.... and some of these are out there with nothing subtle, or left to the imagination...
    But hey, I like shock-value just as much as the next guy when done right!

    keep up the good works, glad to have you on the forums.


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    Like several people here, I don't care whether something was painted by a gay person or not, but I can see the benefit of having a gay art forum.
    As we can see, some people get uncomfortable about the art. And we have to have a big discussion about gay art because of it.
    If you paint work that has a "gay theme" to it, it might be nice to have a place to post where nobody freaks out about it and you can get good criticism and comments on the work.

    However, I question the purpose of posting on a forum that isn't dedicated to gay art, and making a big deal about it being "GAY ART." Just post the work. People may be uncomfortable about it or they may not, but let the art speak for itself.

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