I've started to move to Photoshop from Painter, because Photoshop has always been rock solid to me (although I've heard some bad stuff about the newest versions; I'm using CS1). Maybe it is that I've used PS much longer than Painter but somehow PS just feels much more mature compared to Painter. All the little problems with Painter just make me feel bad even before opening the program.
I must admit, though, that the latest version has overall behaved quite well on my hackintosh, although at some point it had the infuriating -18 -problem where the program wouldn't even start, but for some reason it's been opening alright for the past few weeks. But so many things, e.g. the document handling (layers, resizing etc.), just works much better in Photoshop. And PS just feels much much more polished.
Actually I probably wouldn't even have thought about moving to Photoshop for painting without Massive Black's tutorials and Photoshop-forum here. At first when I saw that Jason Chan had many tutorials for Photoshop I couldn't understand why he just wouldn't use Painter instead, but when I started painting in PS after his tutorials myself I noticed that you can really paint quite well in PS, too.
In a way I like Painter a lot, but then again it frustrates me in so many ways. I first started using it really in the version 8, and after that I've always wanted to see some real improvements in the new versions, but in the end the program really hasn't changed that much. It makes me wonder how small bunch of coders are working on it at Corel, or whoever owns it. At the same I understand that Photoshop probably has made me used to certain things that are much easier in PS, and probably they are trademarked. I just wish that Painter would focus on making the whole user experience better. I don't want to ditch it completely since you still can do lot of stuff in it that PS hasn't got, but at the moment PS is winning in my eyes. And I don't even like Adobe.
Funny that this thread came up just as Corel Painter Magazine http://www.paintermagazine.co.uk/ became Digital Artist Magazine. http://www.digitalartistdaily.com/
As a subscriber to Painter Magazine, I just received issue number one of Digital Artist Magazine as a replacement for the remainder of my subscription. Digital Artist covers Photoshop, Painter, ArtRage, Manga Studio and even Adobe Illustrator, among others.
I like the newer magazine because it covers so much more.
You can also do that with the dabs, to thumbnail or stroke view. The problem with stroke view is that it still has that bug I reported in Painter X and it will screw up or even crash the program..
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Reading this article over I will say that WordPerfect and Corel Draw and maybe a few programs will survive ,but Painter will ether be killed or sold (again) I am reading the numbers they are talking and knowing how nearly ever company in Tech and software that has prob.em are like the car makers are cut production to fit the needs and demands and this could go that way for Painter I think if they think Painter had such a low user base (which I think isn't true) They will sell it off or it will just die.
I been using WordPerfect for like forever as well as some of the other products and Painter I use since its came out and owned from version 4 (Fractal Paint out of the can) I have like all versions even with 11's bugs I would like to see it given a better chance with some company that would put more time and effort to make it even better and maybe a better pricing
Looking at some of the comments I am seeing no one talk about Painter at all.
I wonder if Wacom could or some company could take it over?
I like Painter I use it more than PS and I think a lot people do.
I do think there are a lot of artist that get Painter but not the way they should. I Don't know but looking that Painter demo or full version comes with near every Wacom sale to say the user base is low would be kind off as well .
If people want Painter to do better or not get killed it will mean putting in some support for it. (Major support) Could everyone live with Painter 11 being the last version with no support? even if Painter 12 makes it out before they cut it free will people buy it knowing it could be the last version ever?but that could go for the current version as well .
time will tell and I hope some is watching what happens with this take over at Coirel as i would not like to see Painter get Axed .
They didn't mention selling painter as well to start with.
I don't think wacom has any interest in producing in-house painting software since they've been on the market for like 20 years and didn't write anything on their own
I can see Autodesk buying painter out and screwing it up even more, but who knows, time will show.
I could see Autodesk making a play for it too.....I don't know if they have track record for screwing up acquired properties....do they? I see they own 3DSmax and Maya, years ago one would pick either flavor. Now they've developed Mudbox to compete with Z-Brush.....purchasiing Painter tech and merging it with Mudbox or making the two a viable drag-and-drop combo would be awesome, but not practical. Autodesk would automatically jack the price for Painter up in the $500USD + zone, upgrade pricing might be $50 less if that.......no deal. I personally wanted to see Adobe acquire it so my next CS purchase will be all inclusive and even better yet I'd be able to copy/paste - drag/drop between all CS apps, but it seems the new patch coming out for P11 will address the copy/paste deal at least with PS. Mention of this cooled my jets almost immediately, I'm looking forward to trying this out. Painter is Painter, the sponsor doesn't really affect my decision, Painter X has it's quirks (some that make me want to drive a truck clean through the front wall of my studio, aiming for my workstation), and it's Corel branded, but still it's a program I use almost every single day. I'm one that wants to see the Painter have a good home that will improve and advance it's performance, the brand doesn't really matter to me.
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autodesk also bought xsi, and mudbox isn't their own development as well.
I don't really care what's going to happen, unless there're some really positive changes.
if there aren't, I'll just stick to my painter x for another couple of years.
it's really sad they fallen into "one feature per year" marketing trap.
Painter is the program that got me to this site .. I don't that to see it go down due to people who are not artist not marketing it right.
the fact that Corel changed the mag name means they are about to change .
but i next seem to like the mag as it seem to be trying to copy IFX and it was just focused on one program but so are all the PS mags as well.
May that it is opening up i look at it again.
I am looking at Artrage 3 pro it looks night but i like Painter and as i said i watch it grow up and i think it need to be work on by people who understand art.. Adobe is about $$ more than the product (sorry I known people who work for them they said some of the programmer are well not very bright) Autodesk killed Maya an 3D max . I started my digital art back in the early Amiga days with D paint and Opal paint ,Vistpro ,Art department(Ad pro) and many program many of you never heard of . I still run them on my Amiga's i have running(it good to be VP of one of the last clubs access to parts) Painter has come a long way from when i started using it (Painter 4 under Fractal paint) So seeing it get better is one thing i want .
Opal paint came out as part of video editing Card that was trying to take part of the market from the Newtek people Video Toaster systems and Paint and 3D program Light wave. Some of what is in Painter NOW Opal paint had in 95 believe it or not. Ad pro was like that PS is today and all ran under 2 to 5 meg of ram . So I think some need to make call and find out what going on with Painter and get Corel to tell us rather than wait and see .. Corel seeming no one up in arms could be more likely to sell it off if no one said anything.
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