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    here's my hawk boy~ I'm not really familiar with steam punk genre, so don't know if this is OK for the briefing. Would love some advice.


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    lead concubine on a pleasure zephir?
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    All right y'all you win, I'll just turn the friggin' head
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    If frontal nudity is not allowed, don't look at my sketches on the first page!!!. But I guess if it's functional there's no problem right, what are the rules on that?

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    Tommoy Nudity is allowed, pornography is not.

    It's a subtle line but we police it anyway. :]

    The only really huge issue is that photobucket will kick stuff from the poll (since that's where we host the poll images) sometimes if they deem it too racy.

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    I started at least. I have no idea what I'm doing though, heh.
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    You know, one would think I learned to butt-off from ChOWs since I`m lacking skills/imagination/whatchamacallit, but noooooo...here I go again!

    I did a boo-boo. Couldn`t find a reference image, so I drew the pose "out of my head", and now I need help making it look anatomically correct. Anyone willing to help out?

    CC to follow, as soon as I get back from my class..."Esthetics" AKA what is beauty...ugh...Android would love it...

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    pxelslayer - i think the torso is distorted. the middle line doesnt follow the body's twist, which creates a surrealistic look and i believe you gotta pay some attention to the hip anatomy. also, the lower arm seems a bit too long and there are no folds at all where the torso is twisting. (in such an extreme pose there are bound to be folds!) and yeah ... where are the feet??

    lkjhgfdsa- um ... you do know this week's chow is oriental-themed right? just a thought ...

    fluorine - it looks great. only critique, how is the viewer supposed to know that it's a harem slave? atm he looks more like a prince or smth like that.


    well, here's mine ... i hope its still clear what is going on in the picture. :/
    i'd appreciate some feedback.

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    Just a quick note on the oriental theme though.... It was actually forbidden to make slaves of muslims, so all the girls in a harem would originally be of christian, jewish, etc origin. And they were gathered from many areas, sometimes quite a bit away.

    It makes it funny though, they were converted to islam, but if you think about it, the Sultana would originally be from the harem. So the Sultan to be would be half something or other. And would then get a kid with one from the harem again that was again not a muslim originally and would be half something else. And then it goes on and on, heh.
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    There's something a bit squiffy about the perspective on the bed at the moment. Needs more Zeppelin!

    Edit01: Colour blobbed down on a multiply layer over the linework. Going to have clouds through the porthole.

    Edit02: A bit of work on the face.

    Edit03: Final and WIPs.
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    Flourine; I love him! I think the bird will make a nice steampunk element, and maybe if the patterning on his robes reflected some of the steampunk elements too (clocks, gears, that kinda thing!) His feet seem large upto his torso, and his hand looks huge up to the size of his head - as a guide the bottom of the palm to the top of the fingers should be as long as the distance from chin to eyebrows.

    lkjhgfdsa: She'd not reading too much as a harem slave to me at the moment, more like a captain of an airship. Might be the colours.. that navy blue, white and gold tends to suggest captaincy, and she's got a lot of attitude for a concubine, even a head one. Do like her mass of red hair tho, would love to see some gold ornaments in it.

    Pixeltuner: Peer pressure, gotta love it.

    Tommoy: I'm loving the colours in yours, really captures a flavour of something exotic and the dance pose is lovely. Her arms feel quite thin up to her gorgeously curvy legs. And maybe in the final version you post, you could just add a couple of teeny nipple-coverings? I love the nudity myself tho!

    Sorknes: looking good! The leather belts and dangling clocks are a really nice touch and her posture suggests subservience really nicely. her face reminds me of someone and it's driving me nuts I can't think of who! No real crits, but maybe add some darker greens to the shadows of the purple trousers, to unify it with the green in her top? Also, thanks for the tidbit on harems... I was wondering why you never saw dark skinned women in the orientalist paintings, makes a lot more sense now!

    Pxelslayer: Like the pose, tho there are some definite anatomy issues. You might find it helpful to browse through some of the nude in lockstock's gallery in Deviantart: http://lockstock.deviantart.com/gallery/#Nudes - she has some really nice laid down poses like that. There'd definitely be more twist in the mid section - specifically the line of the stomach in the middle. But it's very classically elegant, I like!

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    : it's stilla little early to give feedback, but I'd maybe figure out what you're going to do behind your lady too, light-wise. It'll affect how you paint the final thing a lot.

    Aly: Dammit man. You're too damned good! Great blending of the elements of the two cultures, and the bed looks good to me there, but I may have squiffy eyes. O.o

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    Cool theme

    Face is still a bit wonky, and I need to practice me some breasts. Tried to keep it soft, but it may just be too soft right now, got to see what I'll do to this thing. First time trying to mix PS and Painter

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    Okay, I hope I didn't forget anyone, but if I did sorry! I'm trying to give as much advice as I can, even if mine is really lacking right now haha.

    CKLamb: The pose seems to be holding together better now. I think right now though you are drawing too much attention and contrast to the background and not enough to the pose itself, and so it's starting to look flat and messy. Put some of that nice attention into the figure!
    Shogo: I absolutely love that idea so far. It reads so well as a silhouette and yet seems to leave a lot of room for some great details further down. I think adding a little mask-idea could really work, I mean, why not push the idea as far as you can? Not much else to crit
    Irrlaeufer: Thanks for the advice man! Except I'm a little confused... Do you mean make her left (our right) thigh a little wider, like the right? Or do you mean I should switch the two legs entirely? Sorry I'm an idiot haha!
    Zephryi: Man, that face is looking so freaking awesome! My only advice would be to push the steam punk element a little more, since it doesn't seem apparent quite yet.
    Zilrion: Nice steam punk look! I agree, some drapery will help make it feel more oriental. Be careful about the way she is sitting, her right (our left) doesn't quite read yet, it seems like it needs a little more attention to make it feel like it's really going up and bending.
    Matt_B: This looks so great, and already stands strongly as an overall design. My only suggestion would be to bring more light to her face and that heart-apparatus in front of her. I keep being drawn to the legs because of all the light and saturated colors.
    LaurenR: Love the linework of your piece so far, it really fits into this theme well! Her hair is freaking awesome too. I noticed her pelvis seems a bit too thick though, but I think if you liven up the pose like purb36 said that will really help.
    Grimwood: Your values are really working well as a whole, and I really like the overall movement that it seems to enhance. Be careful though, it seems like your main girl keeps getting disjointed. With a tough pose like that, you may want to take a transparent layer over it and break all the big shapes (head, rib cage, pelvis) down to just boxes then adjust them into the pose, then draw the body around those shapes. It will help to give you a more solid structure to work from.
    fluorine: I really love your character, he reads really well. But as far as the steampunk problem, I think one of the fundamental things about that genre is the mechanical lore in it. Gritty contraptions with Victorian overtones is key, so if you somehow made some of the details in his outfit (maybe in the belt or headdress region?) have more of a feeling of the Victorian style it may seem a lot more 'steampunk'. I hope that makes sense, I'm really bad with words haha
    lkjhgfdsa: A fierce redhead! I really like how powerful she looks, but I'd have to agree that she probably needs more elements to make her feel more like she is part of a harem. Perhaps a traveling zeppelin harem? Haha, I dunno. But It seems like you can really push the kind of Oriental feeling of it with that design.
    Tommoy: I really like that it feels like she is on a stage of sorts, entertaining all the sultans. It really has a interesting environment already. I'd just be careful with how her feet are placed, it becomes unclear about her pose as soon as it gets to her feet.
    Sorkes: I love those colors and shapes! She really feels like a harem girl (is that the correct terminology?) already. Be sure to push the pose throughout her body though, I'd expect to see more bending in her leg with a pose like that.
    Pxleslayer: This seems like a promising start, and it seems like with some work it will read very well. I agree the pelvis/torso relationship seems very off, but also keep in mind where exactly her body is going to be hitting the ground plane (or bed or whatever it is that she is laying on), and make sure you aren't forcing her into too awkward of a pose overall, if that makes any sense
    crimson_shape: Like before, I think you have a strong start. But now, I would worry about the relationship of the girl in the front and the man in the back. If he is in the distance, I would make him a lot smaller overall to push the perspective, but also make sure that the values of the foreground and the background don't compete with each other or aren't the same, since one needs to win!
    Poshspice: Now I feel bad for posting mine... since yours is so freaking beautiful! I have nothing more constructive to say right now, sorry

    As far as mine, I've been working on the background and I came to realize that I really, really, really suck at backgrounds. Especially with geometric, man-made objects. They somehow always look so.. fake when I paint them. :/ Anyways, I tried adding more elements of being a slave into the background, because I feel it doesn't quite portray the actuality of being a harem girl yet. So right now I'm trying to make the background environment feel like it's nice, yet has a lot of creepy slave elements in it.
    I've also really been trying to make the legs work. I tried making the thighs a little thicker, and a little thinner around the calves but I'm not sure if it quite reads yet. I still need to work on the one in the front a LOT more...
    Any advice more than welcome

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    Some one line comments for the last page or so:

    Zephyri – GORGEOUS! Your rendering on the face is looking excellent in the update.

    Uziel – Very nice setting. At the moment my main crit would be don’t try and do too much. Of course you may want to take this a whole lot further, but you could tighten up the composition and still make all the point you need.

    Grimwood – I like what you’re doing here, the forced perspective adds drama, but can I ask why you’ve tilted the camera? Right now it looks like they are on a ship being tossed around a bit. As for your concerns about the back leg, both of them look to be on the same plane, so although the perspective is forced on the background it’s not so on her back leg. Edit: Just saw your update... I take it they are on an airship?

    Deadhead16mb – Loving the sketches right now. Nudity is allowed, but be prepared for a ‘covered up’ version to satisfy the prudes at Photobucket.

    Majortom – Like the pose. I did a rough in a similar one when I was working mine out, and had a thought... why not put an old fashioned pipe (Sherlock Holmes style) on the end of the hookah pipe? It’d be more Steampunk...

    Clockwork Bunny – Lovely little image so far. As for background, a fairly typical harem environment? Look at some of the orientalist inspiration in the first post. One thing: the breasts look a little flat, as though they are pressed against glass...

    CKLamb – It may be a mess, but it’s a pretty mess. Lovely sketch and the profile is very nice. Interested to see where you take this.

    Shogo – Yup, the idea of peacock feathers is fab. Personally if you’re going with a mask keep it held from the face, as expression is part of the character process and important to the brief.

    Irrlaeufer – You’re having fun on the face, but broaden the composition a bit. At the moment it feels quite constrained.

    Zilrion – Has she scoffed all the fruit on that plate?! Relax the arm holding the fan. It’s a bit ‘stressed’ right now. And think about where the other one is going. It kind of disappears into ‘I don’t know what to do with the hand’ territory at the moment.

    Matt B – Wonderful lighting. You’re getting that orientalist vibe down to a tee with the shadows and the hazy light through the window.

    LaurenR – Great little sketch, and very interesting pose. Love the graphic style of your mark-making as well.

    Fluorine – Love the mechanical bird. Getting a bit of a T E Lawrence vibe here, and it’s fine for the brief.

    Lkjhgfdsa – Yup, smaller head. Also check the breasts. Pushed as high as that there would be a heavier ‘top curve’ to stop them looking as though they come from the neck area. Also don’t be tempted to put too many ‘waves’ in the contour of the cloth. For example where it indents next to the resting hand. It would hang looser and be more aesthetic. Costume’s coming along great.

    Tommoy – Very nice! Outfit is great with all the twiddly bits, and the environment looks like it’s starting to take shape as pretty Steampunky.

    Sorknes – Smashing. Lots of character in the face and I like the watches. She is going to have some feet!?

    PxelSlayer – Stop with that ‘no imagination’ rubbish. The fact you can draw poses from your head should stop that! Very odalisque and fitting for the brief. Not much more to say until it develops further.

    Crimson Shape – Great markmaking. Fresh and energetic! Only thing is right now it looks like two images, not a complete composition.

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    Not sure if this is going to go anywhere, but crits are always welcome:

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    Thanks for the great suggestion guys!!! I'm doing a bit of an alteration of his pose, he seems a bit "twisted" at this point. And yes... it's been one of my most stubborn problems that I always draw hands and feet too big. I'll work on it.

    OK, now I think I get a idea, is not about historically accurate Arabic/Turkish costume, but how victorian people fantasizing Arabic and Turkish people in a mechanical world... LOL... hope that's about right.
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    Starting to work from a sketch I made yesterday. Haven't had as much time as I hoped cuz I'm doing NaNoWriMo this month and it's sucking up a lot of free time.

    Thought I'd take a few minutes to look at other people's stuff to get me in the mood:


    Irrlaeufer - You shaded her torso like it's a tube which looks peculiar. If you're using simple shapes to get down the shading her torso would be more like a box (tapered near the middle). And for that string or w/e it is on the right side of the picture, use one swift line, not lots of little stilted lines, it'll flow better.
    Tommoy Beautiful. Great colors and design all around, can't wait to see it finished.
    Sorknes - Very nice, she looks sad which I think fits the assignment. I think the lighting seems a little weak, you can exaggerate the lighting a bit.
    PxelSlayer - Her design seems a little sparse, but I dig the pose. Maybe you can use the pose as an opportunity to exaggerate the length of the legs?
    crimson_shape - I like the composition, maybe bring the Harem closer to the center as she should be the focus. Also make sure you don't over emphasize the guy in the throne, make sure he's pushed to the back.
    Poshspice -Can't say I have a crit. Looks beautiful, can't wait to see more.
    Lakka - Looks great so far! Love her face. Maybe could use some more steampunk influence in her costume? Love the foreground blur. Her shoulder looks a bit too separated from her abdomen, the connection looks weird I think. If she's leaning on her arm he shoulder should show that, too. Like be hunched up or pushed down if you want it to look like she's getting up.
    majortom - Don't worry too much about the background. It's CHOW after all. Work on the character first and foremost, establish a basic background first if it helps, but don't get hung up. Her right lower leg looks way too thin, her left arm looks kinda rubbery or something, maybe just cuz of the early shading. Also her face looks too big for her head.
    vineris - Nice so far. Good proportions and a sexy silhouette. Not seeing the steampunk influence though.

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    First idea, I thought of some kind of suit for her, clockwork arms, etc.

    Fluorine - That's obviously arabian, but aside from the hawk, you might change some of the cloth he's wearing into leather, or keep it and put a harness on him as well.

    Tommoy - You could cleverly get around most of those problems by mechanizing certain body parts .

    Pxelslayer - Her head's a little big, though I love the pose.

    Posh - If the bed is a problem, you could place a mound of pillows behind her. Topkapi Palace in Istanbul (the harem)for example has a collection of pillows and fabric that is insane.

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    wow. impressive entrees so far. looks like this one might be tough

    here's my simple idea so far. I'm going to start reworking the figures and costume and steampunk motif more tonight...but i just wanted to draw down the "girl and her tiger" idea that i had.
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    Zephyri: When even Posh takes some of his undeniably valuable time (wink, nudge, etc.) to do a quick paintover it's pretty hard to resist eh? I stand corrected
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    Pxelslayer - Great minds think alike eh! This was my post in my SB yesterday - it was eventual that two people would come up with the same pose after a while. Hehe.

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    The third is just trying out some details - but I like the shoulders.
    I used no reference so a redline would be good or if you know of a photo where there is a pose similar that would be a great help!
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    Another try with my hawk boy. I think his pose is more natural and relaxed this time. The only thing right now is that, he doesn't look like a Harem servant/slave boy, but rather a Arabian prince... Don't know what could I do to make him less royal-ish...

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    Yay nice topic! Here is a wip. I'm going to make some photos for reference because the posture is a lot more difficult to draw than I expected.

    Very nice work in this thread, though I see a lot more "harem" than "steampunk" Btw, this ChoW vaguely reminds me of the Scheherezade ChoW several months ago

    Crits are welcome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fluorine View Post
    Another try with my hawk boy. I think his pose is more natural and relaxed this time. The only thing right now is that, he doesn't look like a Harem servant/slave boy, but rather a Arabian prince... Don't know what could I do to make him less royal-ish...
    Hmm, great drawing but I totally see what you're tlaking about. I would say that, while I love the eagle thing, I don't see why a Harem would have one. Also the sword, I don't see why they would have a weapon at all. These things make him seem like he's on an adventure. Think of items that could enhance him as a harem instead. Maybe a Hookah, or some veils and soft cloths and pillows, have him by a pool. Make sure you look at the links provided in the OP to get a good idea of how to present a Harem as a character.

    Also, to make him look less prince-ish, I'd say make him a bit more umm... sexy... in a risque way? Like his pants sit lower and you can see a bit more of the V cut of the groin.
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    I'm trying to get some reference together on clothes and props here... Guess it's a wee bit too Victorian and not "harem" or "steampunk" enough, is it?
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    It seems pretty difficult to merge harem and steampunk together. I think it's because steampunk is very Victorian, so structured, confined, tailored and mechanical while the Victorian fantasy of the harem was the opposite -- loose, organic, freeform and soft.

    It's good practice in merging opposing ideals, but it's so easy to go too far in one direction or the other!
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    Taking a shot at this. I am not 100% where this is going but hey. Fun topic, right?

    The anatomy is all over the place and I need to make her pose a bit more relaxed looking... she is supposed to be leaning against a railing. I think I am going to change the collar of her top to be more like a Victorian blouse. It's a touch too military-couture right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vineris View Post
    It seems pretty difficult to merge harem and steampunk together. I think it's because steampunk is very Victorian, so structured, confined, tailored and mechanical while the Victorian fantasy of the harem was the opposite -- loose, organic, freeform and soft.

    It's good practice in merging opposing ideals, but it's so easy to go too far in one direction or the other!
    Also that we associate steampunk with rough, roguish and independent characters, and arabian/ottoman harem slaves or nobility with decadence, exoticism, and of course, sensuality.

    I would say Fluorine, give him a softer look than he has now, no weapon, and if you wanted to, try it with no headdress, possibly shaved head, and jewelry.

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    fluorine - The idea's very nice. hope to see more.

    navate - Nice start but she doesn't look like she's leaning to me. Might want to nail that in the drawing first before the colors.

    Arthemis IX - I like the angle. You're right that reference will help the pose, especially that receding arm. And, yea, I know I for one am having a hell of a time putting more steampunk in my harem.

    Jason Snair - I like the idea! ooh, kitty! ...no! thats my face! BAD KITTY!

    Reymus - Something about both feet being straight on bugs me. But I really like the design.

    vineris - Simple but very nice. Not seeing a whole lot of steampunk yet but so far so good

    majortom - it's a bit hard to read at the moment but I think your ribcage is a bit off (goes too far down) and the structure of the face doesn't quite work yet. Don't sweat the background until you get the figure down (since that's supposed to be the focus)

    Lakka - Nice start. Something about her face doesn't seem to work, like one of the eyes is crooked.

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    ok so honestly scared to post here since im not even close to the talents posting here x) but im hoping to learn so please crits are very much welcome

    mostly just poses atm but i have an idea of having some sort of extra arms attached to a type of corset thing, dunno maybe its something to powerful to give a harem girl? x)
    gonna steampunkify her outfit more :d

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