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    I'm totally in, if I can stop browsing all the magnificent orientalist paintings, that is, I totally love them...


    Digital Blacksmith, in the weekly challenges, the people doing the challenges (in this case Daestwen and Poshspice) are your Art Directors. They are your "clients" so to say, or your "boss", depending on what you prefer. These weeklies are not just for playing around and showing skills, it's also for learning how to deal with briefs. If your boss or client want an orientalist inspired harem girl in steampunk, Japan is not the first thing to come to mind, is it? Browse the images that the clients/bosses have been kind enough to link and get working on it. And good luck! And the images are truly beautiful and very inspiriing
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    If I'm reading this correctly you cannot use anything outside of an eastern Indian or Oriental influence.

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    If we had to list everything it CAN'T be...we would never get a brief.

    Anyways, I got dibs on the greek slave reference!

    And I do realize that the breasts shouldn't be exposed in the final.

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    sounds interesting. i hope to be able to do something... and finish it

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    I have to admit I've been half tempted to add China Mièvilles ideas for this with half the body ending up as a steam machine for it...

    It might just end up as a harem girl with leather, clocks and metal. rofl.

    *goes to brainstorm some more*
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    CKLamb: Persia and India are good to go. India might be a bit further than what we mean, but it's on the silk road and had a lot of influence on arabian / persian /ottoman culture so I think that's fine.

    Digital Blacksmith: Last I checked Japan didn't have sultans. Stick to the brief. You can draw whatever you want but you better not bitch if I pull it from poll. If you feel it's beneath you to stick to the theme then you aren't forced to participate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CKLamb View Post
    If we had to list everything it CAN'T be...we would never get a brief.

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    THAT.

    So Digital Blacksmith don't go all whiny about exploring creative and artistic depths and you telling clients to go f**k themselves, because you won't have many left in the end.
    Your last piece wasn't exactly made significantly better due to the fact it had a non human character, and changing from Middle-Eastern to Japanese won't do it either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Blacksmith View Post
    All im saying, is just say what you want. Do you want only humans? Say so. Do you only want one or two races? Dont try and word around it, be blunt. I have had many clients who say a short brief on what they want, and when I do what i think they said they want, they turn around and try to tell me something different. I tell them to go screw themselves, and that I dont have time to work on something that not even you think you want.

    And on another note, this is conceptart.org. I was led to believe that this site was about exploring your artistic abilities, tapping into the depths of your mind, taking the boring and making it awesome, and even advancing in your own skills, not just reading a quick and vague brief and doing that exact thing quickly.
    Let's get that head out of your ass yeah?

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    websearch - orientalism and images and got this
    http://shareme.com/images/large/Vict...rabia-2570.jpg

    Chow is a platform for exploring your skills and artistic visions whilst following a brief, doing some research is part of the process. I have learnt this the hard way loosing a commission for wondering off target, broke my confidence and I changed career - I wish I'd stuck with it

    As for arguing the toss its daft as Poshspice and daestwen have the final say as they set the brief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Blacksmith View Post
    @ Daestwen - Not to be rude or arrogent, but once again, you never mentioned any specific races or cultures that can or cannot be used. How are we supposed to know what exactly to use when your vague about it. I mean last week I made a piece, but it wasnt human enough. This week, I try Japanese influence, but thats a culture not allowed, but yet nothing about using either isnt said. I will go with something else, maybe merging Persian and Egyptian, but please, its confusing when we dont know what we can or cannot use.
    Lets keep it civil lovely people.

    In the brief are some links to Orientalist art, which is a very specific art movement. These are your inspiration. If Japanese art was the source we would specify it. There is plenty of other Orientalist Art on the internet, essentially Middle Eastern. Type it into Google. Think Alma-Tadema, early Waterhouse, Richard Dadd, Lord Leighton, Tissot, Dulac etc. They were heavily influenced by the Harem idea, but a Victorian fantasy idea of what it was, and most definitely depicted in much of the art of the time. What we want is a blending of it with Steampunk, which is a very Western inspired theme, particularly Victorian technology. Think of it as West meets East over 100 years ago. You can play with ideas a bit, for example a lot of Steampunk pushes the timing a bit into the 20th century and features elements of Art Nouveau. It's up to you, but, if you are in doubt about anything at all, ask. Don't assume. If this was for a client, you wouldn't dream of assuming a setting, time, aesthetic etc. without checking first.

    I know sometimes it's fun to shoehorn what you WANT to do into the weeks theme, and this can sometimes work (hell we all do it!). However, this week Steampunk and Orientalism are actually quite specific. The influence of Japanese art on the west is known as Japonism. Somewhat archaic terms these days, but once quite specific. But there is room for enormous fun 'designing' within these parameters.

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    cool subject ^_^ but damn itll be alot of work cuz im with my little brother on the same room and my harem girls is a girl with semi transperant arabian shirt of some sort so i cant work on it when hes around (boobs and stuff ~_~) so ill work on it when ill have the time ....

    ask. Don't assume. If this was for a client, you wouldn't dream of assuming a setting, time, aesthetic etc. without checking first.
    hmm....a good idea....can i make a semi steampunk girl (semi robotic steampunk)? cuz im planing on doing it but just with all sorts of those clock parts and steam of some sort to hint that shes part machine and part human
    loool if this was a client im assuming id check everything from the minute of the hour of the day up untill the tinyes of details so i could make it as accurate to his vision as possible

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    Quote Originally Posted by acb View Post
    hmm....a good idea....can i make a semi steampunk girl (semi robotic steampunk)? cuz im planing on doing it but just with all sorts of those clock parts and steam of some sort to hint that shes part machine and part human
    loool if this was a client im assuming id check everything from the minute of the hour of the day up untill the tinyes of details so i could make it as accurate to his vision as possible
    Steampunk often incorporates limbs or body parts that are machine based, almost like an exo-skeleton, so that's fine but no complete robots. Just remember the characters are harem slaves, so they would unlikely be equipped with anything perceived as weaponry or granting them power.

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    a small update
    its not looking very steam punk yet, the plates on the costume are attachments which stimulate sensitive areas - theyre meant to be at least! hopefully will turn out ok in the rendering.

    comments pls!
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    clockwork_bunny: looks good so far, very oriental!

    here's a quick sketch, dont know if im going to take it for the final version. Is it okay if I paint the background with the sultan more abstractly?

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    Ooh sounds interesting. Hope I have time to do some research and work on this one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Blacksmith View Post
    All im saying, is just say what you want. Do you want only humans? Say so. Do you only want one or two races? Dont try and word around it, be blunt. I have had many clients who say a short brief on what they want, and when I do what i think they said they want, they turn around and try to tell me something different. I tell them to go screw themselves, and that I dont have time to work on something that not even you think you want.

    And on another note, this is conceptart.org. I was led to believe that this site was about exploring your artistic abilities, tapping into the depths of your mind, taking the boring and making it awesome, and even advancing in your own skills, not just reading a quick and vague brief and doing that exact thing quickly.
    Dude, can the attitude. The brief is not that vague in this case. Do about 30 seconds of research and you'll get the idea. When there is a vague brief here they do usually give us more leeway with our interpretations. In fact, their briefs are often great here because they use visual language.

    This is a freaking huge site. There are places where you post whatever you want to do and there are challenges like this that allow you to explore within boundaries. If you don't like the boundaries just post whatever you want...in the proper place .

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    Hey again, I'm going to try and make it for this weeks CHOW! The topic sounds so cool, so I just have to give this a go... I'm really enjoying what I see so far. Sorry if I missed anyone so far, it's getting way too late for me here
    CKLamb: I love how classical your pose is.. It really fits in with the classic Romantic paintings posted as inspiration. Be careful about the legs getting a little too thick, but it's off to a great start.
    clockwork_bunny: I really love the feeling of your piece so far, she really seems alone and the design seems very oriental. Maybe if you played with some of the fabrics in the costume it would feel more steam punk (I noticed they use a lot of lace and leather). It may help push it more in that direction, if that makes any sense.
    crimson_shape: Nice start!

    Right now I'm trying to capture the feeling of steampunk and a harem by using a lot of long, loose fabric that drape over the figure and yet a lot of leather, binding fabrics used in steampunk. I also want to add more patterns, like the rich patterns you see in Traditional Turkish fashion and also the settle pattern you see in the details of steampunk fashion. I'm not sure if I'm communicating it well enough yet, but it's just the beginning.

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    I don't mean to beat a dead horse, apologies there first. But there are some things I felt I had to point out...

    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Blacksmith View Post
    The term harem comes from many countries and cultures, yet always means the same thing. "Consort of women to serve and pleasure the chief/sultan/king/emperor" If you want ONLY certain cultures, let us know which ones! Thats all im saying.
    The term was given very specifically as "Sultan". This word applies ONLY to Arabic speaking rulers, more specifically it was the term commonly used for rulers of the Ottoman Empire who were sovereign unto themselves, not to an overlord or Caliphate. The Ottoman Empire covers a very specific area with a capitol in Constantinople (modern day Istanbul), in Turkey.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultan
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire

    The term Harem does not come from many cultures, it is specifically an Arabic term meaning a "forbidden" place because the quarters of females was off-limits to outsiders, apart from eunuchs, maids, and the Sultan's Mother. It has come to be used out of context in modern times for other polygamous cultures, but considering the original context combined with the specific use of "Sultan", a little research could have saved you all this trouble.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harem

    To say the brief is vague or unspecific just belies a lack of comprehension and research on your part, and the more you whine about it the worse it makes you look because you're just wrong. Read it again, do some research, and if you still have questions, then you can politely ask your ADs (Posh and Dae) for clarification, like all the pros do.
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    I want to make a male counter-part, but I'm not quite sure what a sultana would want in a sex-slave. Ladies, any help?

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    I'm guessing 'most' women would desire a good looking, muscular submissive kinda guy. Some one who could sweep her off her feet but obey her every whim.

    Does that help?

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    This thread's starting to look like that scene from Airplane where we all line-up in to "calm down" the situation.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJsTbKEHH9g

    Anyways:
    CKLamb- lookin' nice so far but her lower leg looks a bit big.

    Other than that, nice sketches people

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    Are we talking 6'9" 300lbs of man meat, or 5'11" 180lbs of playboy?

    Matt B- Yeah, MajorTom pointed that out too, it'll be fixed on the next update.

    majortom- interesting pose, I would take care with the shoulders and chest area, they're a little out of whack, and the leg-foreshortening isn't quite there, just needs a little more attention.

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    CKlamb - I'm guessing more likely a 'chippendale' stature rather than the man meat option.

    think eye candy for the ladies she's got the pick of the best someone to look at and admire his physique then command.

    ( I must say muscle mounds and rippling abs are not my thing personaly)

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    CKLamb - I can tell you based on the "Man Thread" the girls have had going for a bit that it doesn't have to be a super buff guy - women tend to like men who look more approachable. A study was done a while ago with faces, a spectrum from the hyper feminine and catlike to the hyper masculine and hard looking, and lots of people were asked to choose the most attractive face. Men chose something close to the hyper feminine, while women chose something about in the middle - saying they liked a man who looked more "kind", like he would be a good partner. Not so much into "sex objects". And Chippendales has never, EVER been sexy. Just my $0.02

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    I wanted to make a sketch with all the harem or at least various figures, but there is not a main character so probably i will do a single character concept later.

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    Can they be reluctant members of the harem?

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    update. still workin' out the steampunk stuff

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    Dimagyan- I think if you could just add extra emphasis to one of the characters in your image you would be good to go. However, it looks very European ATM, to me it reads more as a brothel or behind the stage with cabaret dancers. Think about the role of ornamentation in eastern cultures, both in terms of religion and expression.

    Matt_B- I like the pose, but she seems a bit muscular...? Maybe some softer curves?
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    Attempt no.2. I had a 'brilliant' idea at work today. Since the concubines are slaves, why couldn't they be 'mindcontrolled' by a steampunkish device. A bit like Doc Ocs spinal thingy in Spiderman 2 only then with meters, tubes, copper and springs.

    Anyway dear Posh & Daest, is this too subtle or do you say go for it.
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    Hi there,

    Sorry if this has been asked but I didn't see an answer to it. May I draw the sultan/sultana as well in the scene? I have an idea but it includes them as well.

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    PixelTuner- That spinal contraption is making me a bit nauseous, maybe do a beautified version of the idea? Something you wouldn't retch at while having sex maybe. I've been thinking of ways to add in the steampunk tech, too. I'll probably go for a clockwork monkey that accompanies all of the sultan's concubines, as both a servant and watchful eye.

    Ardescoere- I think as long as they aren't the main focus you're okay. But I could be completely wrong.

    Sorry if I'm posting like crazy, it's just easier to keep up with crits this way, instead of doing the marathon at page 4 or 5.

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