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    If we stand in front of the Pacific Ocean and look straight ahead, the horizon line will be where the sky and the ocean meets in the distance.

    But if I'm tilting my head all the way back so that all I can see is the sky, where will be the horizon? Across the sky?

    And if I'm tilting my head all the way down so that all I can see is the ground, the horizon will be across the ground?

    I'm currently reading Perspective Made Easy by Norling and is a bit confused about this.

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    Its in the same place, you just no longer see it.
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    OK, I'm no expert, but this is my understanding: Read Elwell's post. I hope I'm making sense.
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    *edit: I fixed that. thanks for the heads up Elwell
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    It's possible for the horizon to be out of the picture, gonna recommend this link, there's a short example from a photo that shows a case of it(fig.6).
    http://www.khulsey.com/perspective_basics.html
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    "Horizon" and "eye level" are often used interchangeably, but they are really only the same thing if your line of site is parallel with the ground. Norling's book is a good introduction, but he completely avoids three-point perspective, which is what you get when the angle of vision tilts up or down.

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    Exactly. The horizon is the line where sky meets ground. It's usually broken by features on the ground, like hills and trees. Your eye level does change - it's where you're looking straight at. You look up at the sky? Your eye level raises. You look down, and your eye level lowers. The main thing with perspective is to remember that each object has it's own axis in relation to that eye-level line. When you look at a city street, most of those buildings are lined up accurately enough that you can use one vanishing point for them all. But, especially with still-lifes and people, when each subject is turned a different amount, then they all need different vanishing points.
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    Thanks a lot, all, especially to Elwell and TasSmith!
    Well, Tas, that example you gave cleared up the rest of my confusion with eye levels and horizons.

    Previously, I always thought the eye level = horizon even if we look up or down or away or diagonal.

    Thanks again,
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    Ok, I've decided to put all my questions regarding perspective into this thread so as to make the forum neater. I have changed the title of this thread as well.

    Now, after reading some pages of Loomi's Successful Drawing (the part on perspective), Phil Metzger's The Art of Perspective and Norling's Perspective Made Easy, I notice some issues:

    1) All 3 books keep saying that it's important to know and decide on where is the eye level in your drawing before you draw. This only applies when you're drawing from imagination, right?
    Because when you're drawing from life (e.g: still life subjects), you don't even need to bother about eye level. Just draw by eye and observe carefully the contours, note the angles (use sighting etc.) and proportions, and you get an accurate drawing.
    Why do these 3 books say eye level is important? I've been drawing still life so far without care for eye level and it's fine.

    2) Perspective is only used for when i) you're constructing an environment from imagination and ii) using it to check / fix your drawing after you're done with it. Correct?

    That's all! Thanks a lot!
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    IF you draw what you see
    AND you see what you look for
    THEN the more you know, the more you see

    The better you understand perspective, the better you will understand what you are looking at, the faster and more accurate your observational drawing will be, and the less correcting you will have to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    IF you draw what you see
    AND you see what you look for
    THEN the more you know, the more you see
    This is beautifully put in regards to the question being posed, and it would be one of the best summations I've heard in response questions about the importance of learning anatomy in drawing the figure. Five stars, good job
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    "I've been drawing still life so far without care for eye level and it's fine."

    You were keeping track of the eye level without being aware of it. You can never be consciously aware of all the processess going on throughout your mind/being(or whatever you want to call it.) No drawing method can teach you to be aware of and draw everything that you see/experience.
    You can use perspective to any degree that it will help you get the result you want.
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    Well, thanks, especially to Elwell and Armando!
    Elwell always provides invaluable wisdom and Armando always give practical, to-the-point answers!

    Now, look at the photo below:
    Xeon's perspective questions thread - New questions (20 Dec 09)

    It's a corner of my room (in other words, interior space).

    I'm pretty confused about finding out the vanishing points of the upper-top corner of the room (where the 2 walls meet), so I used Photoshop to draw green lines indicating the direction in which they go to in order to meet the vanishing point:
    Xeon's perspective questions thread - New questions (20 Dec 09)

    This is correct, right? So far, in the tutorials here and in the book examples, they uses mainly the corner of a house to illustration 2-point perspective so I'm kinda stuck when I look up at the upper-corner of my room and saw that the left wall's line is going towards the right wall and the right wall's line is going towards the left wall.

    It's like, due to the fact that they converge towards one another, it's a bit weird and new for me.
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    its 2p perspective, you can count 3p if you want to..
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