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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulweaver View Post
    -- this round has arguably produced the highest all-around quality in some time! Jaecks, when you extend the deadline by an extra week so everyone can "catch up" to your favorite, you're being rather patronizing. I come here to measure myself against great artists in a fair and equal manner, not to be talked down to. Yes, JakkaS's work is excellent and has a good chance of winning, and yes, it's okay that you're a fan and all, but what you're doing is outright dismissing everyone who isn't JakkaS. That's uncalled for in a community dedicated to helping artists of all skill levels.
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    Having read Soulweaver's thread I have to say it reminded me that I didn't come here to compete against anyone but myself. I have been out of illustration for a long time and am trying to hone my skill level and build a portfolio. One week isn't going to improve me to the point of competing with Jakkas' entry and I really don't think my entry was so weak that it would not make the voting thread.

    So rather than belabor one idea I have already moved on and started on the CHOW. Jakkas that is truly an amazing illustration... you've got my vote when the time comes. And there are quite a few other excellent ideas and executions here as well.

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    Soulweaver : thanx for the crit - the sunlight-bounce is really missing- - i made the contrast between the sunny background and the angry creature on purpose to show with his disgusted face how he hates beautyful things - i even considered putting some butterflies to "irritate" him even more !

    So - one more week .... ? ! this means we can change our allready posted image ....hm, back to the drawingboard for me aswell....i think swiny canīt withstand the green forest guardian...
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    I think you guys make too big of a deal about this. Sure Jaecks has stated who his fav is (maybe too strongly) and he gave you all another week to hone your entries. But in the end it's still the public that does the voting. So nothing's decided.
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    Hey guys, thank you all for your kind words and thanks Soulweaver for your crits, I will try top fix nymph's butt!

    MJ, I think extending the deadline because of me it's not a good idea. I am sure everyone is waiting for a new topic. I can remove my entry from finals thread. It's not a big deal. I am happy when I can join the gang and paint something for COW, but it's not about wining. Beside that, not always the most polished entry is winning! The concept is important also. I think David79's sketches are far more interesting then my entry, at least for me his ideas are great!

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    Ps. As I said before, I am doing this just for fun and to push myself to work and improve. Here are my other two COWs, I haven't even posted.
    COW153 - not done yet.... http://i34.tinypic.com/2rffvoh.jpg
    COW159 - done, but I painted this very quickly and after few days I didn't like it at all... http://i36.tinypic.com/29vhxqo.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdeye View Post
    I think you guys make too big of a deal about this. Sure Jaecks has stated who his fav is (maybe too strongly) and he gave you all another week to hone your entries. But in the end it's still the public that does the voting. So nothing's decided.
    stating your favourite is one thing,but this is just stupid.
    i mean if imagine.fx held a contest and andrew jones posted late in the game,they wouldn't suddendly say to everyone else to brush up their stuff to match his. and yes,i'd much rather have a new topic.
    jakkas - thank you,really,for seeing this the way you do. (and the additional pics). no need to remove the image though.
    soulweaver,thanks for the crit,i'll have a look into the saturation issue. the rest i haven't got time for right now unfortunately.
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    godamnit as i read that the deadline is for another week i started sketching and then my tablet's pen stopped working...i think...that...(im afraid even to say it O_O) ...its...broken ^(T_T)^?!...maybe ill o something traditionally then (like i have a choice >_>)

    anyways JakkaS - you stuff are great and i dont think you should take out your entry cuz you still spent sometime on it and you deserve to win if thats what most of the ppl will choose .i think its really good that there are artists like you around (and there are others ofc ) that keep pushing our lazyones out there (>o^_^o<) to work abit harder on their stuff .
    MJ- i dont think we need to extend this subject for another week cuz well tbh....its pointless and the whole point is to have a certain period of time in which you need to invest some time on an entry ...its a challenge! some ppl make it some ppl dont.and im sure there are others (like me ) who want a different subject to work on

    if imagine.fx held a contest and andrew jones posted late in the game,they wouldn't suddendly say to everyone else to brush up their stuff to match his
    good point there

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    jakkas : i agree with acb ! no need to take out yours !And itīs a pitty you didnīt posted your curly headed bloodsucker ! Awesome work.
    And itīs true that not always the most polished entry wins- which is good.At least i hope that people donīt vote only on the nicest painting but also on the best concept.

    acb : i also agree that it would make sence to go on to an new topic ... but on the other hand it could be challanging to push further on the same subject.I just think everybody should make a NEW approach - (so itīs still an 1 week challange). For sure itīs not easy to come up with something original now ...
    oh ! and iīm really sorry for your pen - may he rest in peace
    The rythm in this activity is really getting tough - but the tougher the better - i guess.
    But whoa...! if this goes on like this iīm scared i break my pen too.

    dwinbotp : shows up very nicely !!
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    Guys, this is getting a bit overdone.

    Jakkas - there is absolutely no reason for you to remove your entry. That's just stupid. As far as the extension goes... If anyone wants to redo their entry or go back to scratch then do it. If you don't then don't.

    I can only speak for myself but when I see a piece like Jakkas' entry it immediately opens doors in my head and I think "oh man, yeah... I shoulda put my prowler on a slab of rock overlooking a saytr who looks lost and frightened - like the prowler is crouched and ready to pounce." And of course I should have done more sketches, found better reference, carefully considered the lighting, etc, etc, etc. I immediately see how my work needs to progress to another level and for that I am damn happy to see an entry kick my artistic ass.

    But it's not like the entry is perfect. Everyone has their own take and while I greatly admire Jakkas' skill I also think..."hmmmmm, why would something that large have antlers? It can't possibly be one of a group that inhabits the same forest so why would it need them? Also what does he eat? Is he a type of animal and if so is his skin bark-like or is that really bark? And how in the world could he castrate satyrs without ripping them in half in the process?"

    So the entry is clearly superior in painting ability but the concept (to me) is not as strong as it could be. It's still getting my vote, but it's not "perfect".

    So uh jakkas... I have some questions? What software are you using and can you give me some tips on brushes? And how in the world did you learn lighting to that degree? Any tips are welcome, man.

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    jspangler: think itīs never overdone people expressing their oppinion.sure everybody is free to continue on their actual entry - i just think it would be more logical to do a new one.I donīt want to have some extra week .This is an weekly activity and it should not be changed only because one entry happens to be "better" or on a higher "skill level" or whatever.Same rules for everybody.
    So....Mr. Jaecks - i would like to know whatīs it gonna be - not that iīm in a hurry... - but i got to plan my week somehow... guess your word rules ?
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    Aw shit... more creature drama! I love it!

    Well I could go either way on this, on the one hand I like what I did and I'm okay just leaving it. On the other hand it's an interesting challenge to find things to improve. I would rather push myself than sit back and say "good enough" The reason Jakkas' piece is so intimidating is because he really pushed it, he set a standard for himself and hit it.

    So if anyone has some thoughts on how I can improve, change or clarify my picture, I'd appreciate hearing it. The trees on the right seem kinda sketchy, and I think the creature's legs could be more interesting...what do you think?

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    These fantastic pieces are making my head explode.
    I mean, I have absolutely no clue how to even get a piece that polished. This is ridiculous. In a good way.
    And I have to say, not posting those images almost hurts the community. Images that beautiful are wellsprings of inspiration and motivation. It makes me want to be able to paint something like that. To dedicate my life's work to that.
    Not sharing those images is like developing the most beautiful, efficient and practical car in the world, and only making one for yourself.
    I don't care if you win every round. I just want to see more.
    I should stop typing now, seeing as my head is nothing but a smoldering crater on my neck.

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    I dunno I have mixed emotions...I am looking forward to having another week to work on my entry....

    JakkaS - Don't remove your entry, its beautiful! It wasn't your problem to begin with.
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    I am seeing amazing work ^ ^


    I dontīt like much to have put one more week for delivery which he looked forward to the next topic jakja

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    Steve Somers - if I were to say change anything in your piece I would say the head and tail for me are a bit confusing. The head is vague... I'm not sure what is what... however that does greatly enhance its horror. And the tail should be erect and mobile if it has a stinger. Even if it doesn't very few creatures actually allow their tail to drag. But it is one of the better pieces for sure so those are nit-picky details.

    As I said before I am going to have to move on and just raise my own bar for the next one. I have very limited time so even working every night after work I will be hard-pressed to turn in my CHOW on time. But please, give me criticisms on the "prowler". Just like any artist it is difficult for me to see my own weaknesses.

    Vaughauk - i didn't mean to belittle anyone for expressing their opinions. I just meant that Jakkas feeling that he needed to withdraw his entry due to it being "too good" is nuts. Nuts, people... f**king nuts.

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    jspangler - thanks for the input. I'm okay with the head being confusing on mine because it does make it creepier not knowing, for me anyway. But the tail does look rather flaccid now that you mention it.

    As for your prowler my thought would be first, maybe focus on one challenge a week and really try to make that one solid. I see a few artists here who do multiple challenges and it's impressive, but if you're working a 40 hour week like me, you're just torturing yourself. For a full time artist with time between projects, maybe, but us working stiffs need a little rest.

    As for the piece itself, I love the horns, I get that they would be used to lure a satyr without any explanation, that's an awesome idea. He looks tough, aggressive, and mythical. But if you were to push any parts, I'd say bring some of the ground beneath him into focus. If you really want to get fancy, add background elements, maybe showing another of the beasts mangling a satyr so that no explanation is needed.

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    No matter what happens, people, just keep painting. This has been nothing but a civil discussion, and I don't think anyone has stepped on any toes. JakkaS, don't remove your entry, man -- no one here is upset that you set the bar high! Like I said, I want to see how I compare to the best of the best, and I'm sure others here feel the same way too. I'm just sorry that you had to be in the middle of it all.

    dwinbotp: That's a real step up from your other final. Too human-like? Maybe, but I don't care. I think some of the foreground grass could be sharpened up a bit. And maybe the creature's hide could be a bit more "worn", with scars and dirt and protruding arrows and whatnot.

    jspangler: As for your piece, I really couldn't think of a better crit for you before. But maybe you're right, and the lack of narrative is what's holding it back after all. The scenario you described could really enhance the image, if you put in the time to do it.
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    steve somers : the flacid tail was one of the parts i liked - it looks threatning on a sneaky - subtile way -itīs not like you would expect to see a scorpion tail makes it look suspicious. I would also focus more on the head (without loosing itīs "confusing" look) and work out the trees a bit .

    i think i let my digging-piggy like it is and go for something darker - huge - badass -scary - hanging in the trees - thingy ....
    - try to send some wip later.
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    whatever happens,i'm gonna leave my piece as it is (except maybe for some details).
    the whole point for me is to create something as good as you can, in one week. otherwise it'd be creature of two weeks,or something. ok,i'll stop now.
    steve somers - I'd say maybe more ambient lighting? really tie in the creature into the environment; there's not much reflect light on it. also,possibly define the lightsource overall better. looks alittle like the satyr is lit by a different lightsource than the creature.
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    and i was so worried about the deadline TT_TT
    does anyone know if we can paint a second pic of the same creature and include it in the final as well as our original ones?
    also cow drama ftw

    dwinbotp: technically i'd say the best piece here, though not hugely original its power and atmosphere make up for it.

    steve somers: i dont see how you can jump this picture up to the next level very easily, i'd think trying to put the creature in a more dynamic pose might help perhaps, say, attacking the satyr? oh and maybe adding a strong red at some point, perhaps an eye?

    jakkas: wow talk about dropping a drama bomb ^^, only thing i can think of to improve is adding more realism, but that's not really needed.

    carnifex: a more dynamic pose maybe? better yet add a satyr in the background hornily stalking it

    vaghauk: i think if you did another version, instead of going back over it you would learn a hell of a lot more. gl

    duman: your excellent enviroment skills really shine through. simmple way to improve it: make the hair more realistic.

    hmm on second thoughts i'll focus on the chow/idw contest, im having more fun with it.
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    Etheral - Oh, we can always kick it up to the next level, always.. I think I'm going to keep the passive pose but pump up the lighting overall and make it consistent as Carnifex suggests. If you think these entries couldn't all get better, look at some of Kekai Kotaki's work and imagine if that dude entered his Druid or his Tyrant for this... he'd be killin it... I think, on yours you have some rim lighting opportunities there.. maybe rim lighting is overused in Illustration, but hey, it works.

    Vaghauk - Although I'm curious to see your take on a huge badass demonic beast, it just seems contrary to your nature. Your work has a warmth and friendliness that make it unique and that's a strength to develop, not to avoid.

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    I would love any crits on mine. This is what I produced within the original week-long time limit. I'll still be making adjustments just for my own purposes, though I don't think I'll be entering the edited version in the finals thread.
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    soulweaver : where the boar joins the "satyr"-body you are missing some 3-dimensionality.Try to make the whole boar more "round" specially on that spot. You could try to give him the shape with the fur - letting the fur follow the volume of the body- err - if you know what i mean- my english-----

    etheral : ya - your right ! moving on to a new idea seems to be the better choice.I really didnīt do much of an effort for the pig-man design - maybe i was tired from the curly-headed week before- but now iīm back in buisiness

    steve somers : That is really very nice to hear,and helping me to see my own work better.Thanx ! But donīt worry - iīm actually unable to do something really mean-looking - iīm drawing now and itīs going to be a cuty-beauty again....
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    Soulweaver - When I first saw yours I thought it was a Deerwoman with a boar for a pet, but now I see it's one creature, so maybe clarify that part of it, and maybe some of the areas where the marks aren't blending into each other..and where's your bunny ears dammit, that hanging creature was awesome!

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    excellent discussion in here !!!! I like your comment, Steve Somers, where you say "look at some of Kekai Kotaki's work and imagine if that dude entered his Druid or his Tyrant for this"... his work IS mind-blowing... I feel that these weekly activities are all about pushing each of us to our personal best. The fact that an amazing piece is entered just makes me want to do that much better with my next piece. Also, I learn SO much from just seeing other artists entries. Not just the "professional" level pieces either...

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    Nice round! Keep up the good work, guys. Here is another slayer for you.
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    wuuuhuu my pen is working again ( some battery stuff apperently ^(^ - ^)^ )

    dwinbotp-
    thats a really cool head you got there i like it ^_^ but ive noticed (i think that way) that some things doesnt quite fit there :
    * theres something with the legs that the left leg should be behind the hill(according to the way it looks it should ) and yet its infront of the hill and the right leg should be infront of the hill but its behind it.
    *on the lower upper body part (the abs) if yull look at them yull see it seems like theyre starting from the leg that is close to the background and not like they should be,from the middle of the body.it look as if the pose /lightning isnt quite decided so some parts fit to others but the whole thing isnt combining properly. anyways thats only my opinion but other then that its a cool crit ^_^

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    Thanks Vaghauk and Steve Somers. I was afraid that area had some problems, and you've confirmed it. Back to work I go.

    JoshDArtist: The original is about 2200 x 2000 @ 300dpi, why do you ask?

    Cloister: There's a tiny spot where the bow string is visible through the satyr's wrist. It took me awhile to notice, but now that I have, it's driving me crazy.

    and where's your bunny ears dammit, that hanging creature was awesome!
    That is a very good question. I was beginning to wonder if anyone else was missing theirs, or if it was just me.

    Oh, and thank you, it's cool that you remembered that creature. ^_^ I'm much happier with that one in general than I am with this one.
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    Soulweaver: Thanks, man!
    (My screen is an old bulky one, and very good with contrasts. I would never have spotted that unless I had increased the image brightness a lot... which I sometimes do to check out what the shadows reveal on other people's screens.)

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