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    Come on Lunar Ice!

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    I'm pretty excited about this, but watching NASA trend on twitter is pretty painful what with all the misconceptions about what's going down.

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    They shouldn't mess with the moon and with nature like this.
    We've done enough damage to earth, so can we just please........

    LEAVE THE MOON ALONE???!!!!

    The solar system and outer space is a beautiful, silent, tranquil place.
    Leave it be, please.

    I hope NASA goes the way of the Lehman Bros.

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    Its just explosives. Explosives are very useful in mining the raw materials for our computers, tablets, bikes and tea kettles, why would it be any different on the moon? I mean, even our cars are run by explosions. I'm exited that they are doing research that might help establish a base on the moon.

    The solar system and outer space is a far more harsh, violent and extreme than anything that happens on earth, thanks to our protective atmosphere. It just looks tranquil from down here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeon_OND View Post
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    LEAVE THE MOON ALONE???!!!!




    So any reason for saying this, other than the moon is pretty?

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    They spoiled it now. I mean look at it, what a mess. A big hole in it and loads of dust over the place. What a shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron Impossible View Post
    They spoiled it now. I mean look at it, what a mess. A big hole in it and loads of dust over the place. What a shame.

    ROFL!

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    LOL you guys!

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    haha, chill out xeon.

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    Wish I'd had a telescope so I could see the blast... And that it was dark outside. Oh well...

    Still would be cool if they found water
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianShane View Post
    I'm pretty excited about this, but watching NASA trend on twitter is pretty painful what with all the misconceptions about what's going down.
    yes, and very sad for what it says about the average man's understanding of science, and scale.

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    Well, it seems like the initial reports are not terribly encouraging for water ice. Is it possible I could have jinxed the Moon at the last minute?
    Had big hopes for an observatory on the darkside, alas.

    Looks like its probably 'Mars are bust' for the space man now

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    I think this is relevant:

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    Although I keep thinking about that time machine movie when he travels into the future and people bombed the moon for tests and the moon broke in half and gravity and stuff went crazy on earth. That would be fun
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    Xeon your an idiot |:... there i said it. Impacts occur naturally on the moon many times a year larger than what lcross caused .


    now go watch something intelegent. http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/bu..._of_space.html


    Also how many of you guys know about the google lunar xprize? One team it planing on making a device to make a huge sign on the moon for lots of money and i don't have a single problem with that if it gives reason for commercial space development. watching stuff like this happen is so awesome . Commercial space flight here we come!

    http://space.xprize.org/lunar-lander-challenge
    http://www.googlelunarxprize.org/lun...nar-lander-cha

    Also why does the obama threads always get more attention than space .... space is better...
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    Xeon your an idiot |:... there i said it. Impacts occur naturally on the moon many times a year larger than what lcross caused .
    Yeah, but those are natural occurrences. This NASA thing is man-made, artificial.

    How do I put it across.....ugh! I just feel it's not right to do this.
    We've done enough harm to Nature so leave it alone as much as possible.

    What is NASA's real aim for doing this?
    To establish a base for the USA to hold a monopoly and launch missiles from there in times of war?

    I don't care about raw materials or new findings on the moon.
    If NASA is trying to find new lands for mankind to widen his territory because of how resources on earth are getting depleted day by day, then I rather they don't.

    We only have ourselves to blame, and I don't mind if the earth gets destroyed 20 years from now. Even our once-tranquil Antarctica and the North Pole are gradually filling with more and more commercial activities, a fact that disgusts me.

    Please, NASA, PLEASE disband yourselves and stop wasting US$600 billion every year for such crap. Donate that money to the people of Niger and Ethopia, and use it to give back to Nature. Build more trees, spam them everywhere. Protect dolphins, rhinos and tigers, get rid of those whalers and poachers.

    Leave Nature alone!!!! Leave the moon alone!! Don't touch it!!! Why are you doing this, NASA??!! Do you have vengeance with Nature?


    PS: Don't get offended, all.....this is just my personal opinion and beliefs which I hold close to my heart. Saw my mom killing and cooking a crab for dinner today makes me wanna cry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeon_OND View Post
    We only have ourselves to blame, and I don't mind if the earth gets destroyed 20 years from now.
    What a moral view you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Rainville View Post
    What a moral view you have.
    This isn't a question of morality.....it's a question of looking at things objectively. Just think of what we've done to Nature and you'll come to understand my views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeon_OND View Post

    I don't care about raw materials or new findings on the moon.
    If NASA is trying to find new lands for mankind to widen his territory because of how resources on earth are getting depleted day by day, then I rather they don't.
    Wow. We do. You'd rather humankind perish? That's fine, you go jump off a cliff; meanwhile we'll be colonizing space and other super awesome things.

    You do know that this is nothing compared to what hits the moon every year, some many orders of magnitude larger than this? The projectile is the size of an SUV. Tiny. Insignificant.

    I want to live on the moon damnit and if we have to toss a pebble at it then so fucking be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeon_OND View Post
    This isn't a question of morality.....it's a question of looking at things objectively.
    So objectively, it doesn't matter if the earth is destroyed in 20 years, but heaven help us if there's another hole on the moon? Here let me put it into terms your brain can properly compute;

    Think of all the poor cute crabs that will be killed. Forget about all of us self-aware, emotion-filled apes that are the only ones to truly understand our surroundings, our consciousness is a mere insignificance compared to those cute little arthropod eyes....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeon_OND View Post
    How do I put it across.....ugh! I just feel it's not right to do this.
    We've done enough harm to Nature so leave it alone as much as possible.

    Leave Nature alone!!!! Leave the moon alone!! Don't touch it!!! Why are you doing this, NASA??!! Do you have vengeance with Nature?
    Leave nature alone? And where do you think the electricity to your monitor is coming from?
    You might want to consider that Singapore produces its electricity from fossil fuels only.

    Think about that the next time you flip a switch. Or open the tap. Or buy anything at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Vatsel View Post
    Leave nature alone? And where do you think the electricity to your monitor is coming from?
    You might want to consider that Singapore produces its electricity from fossil fuels only.

    Think about that the next time you flip a switch. Or open the tap. Or buy anything at all.

    Word. Sounds like she is a typical anti-american liberal with no concept of reality and how things really are. I wonder what it'd be like to live in a bubble like that..


    Before anyone jumps on me, the reason i say anti-american liberal is her comment about how this is possibly a precursor to the US installing missile silos on the moon in order to dominate the Earth. It's a bit ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeon_OND View Post
    This isn't a question of morality.....it's a question of looking at things objectively. Just think of what we've done to Nature and you'll come to understand my views.
    "What we've done to Nature"? I think it is you that is not assessing things objectively. You talk as if we have transcended nature and have the power to destroy her, but such a thought is the height of arrogance.

    Certainly we can affect nature, but the extent of our power over nature is minimal compared to the enormous feats that nature alone manages every day. We can lay claim to sending some species to the grave, but that is a mere speck compared to the number of species nature had deemed unworthy. We can deforest an area, but nature itself simply adapts while only we suffer.

    We could, in our infinite capacity for folly, extinguish all of the oxygen from the atmosphere and you know what? Nature will carry on, the tides will still move, and anaerobic life will continue to not give a shit. We will of course die and prove our inferiority to nature.

    This planet started as a hostile vicious lifeless planet of rock and heat. Nature has created from that the world we see today. I hardly think that our most destructive efforts even compare to what nature has already overcome.

    Furthermore we only alter nature to the extent that the gifts she brings us will allow. Could we cut down her forests without the tools we forge from the ores we take from her depths? Could we have ever even come to access that ore without the caverns that she had carved with the winds and the tides? How could one possibly talk as if we are above nature when we can do nothing without her?

    You talk as if you consider nature our ward, but it is quite the other way around. Nature has no need to fear us, but we have every reason to fear her. Were nature sentient she would scoff at the notion that we could truly injure her.
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    Anyhow, this thread is getting off topic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jasonwclark View Post
    Well, it seems like the initial reports are not terribly encouraging for water ice. Is it possible I could have jinxed the Moon at the last minute?
    Had big hopes for an observatory on the darkside, alas.

    Looks like its probably 'Mars are bust' for the space man now
    Well phooey. Water on the Moon would've been awful neat, since it's our nearest neighbor and all. Oh well, still hoping for a lucky discovery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeon_OND View Post
    This isn't a question of morality.....it's a question of looking at things objectively. Just think of what we've done to Nature and you'll come to understand my views.
    Objectively there is no dichotomy of man-made vs natural, that is your subjective opinion. Man is part of nature, and man-made technology is part of humankind's natural evolution. Any scenario other than how the earth currently exists, with it's current inhabitants and how they function (humans included), would be unnatural.

    Why don't you go tell the beavers to stop building dams, and tell monkeys to stop using rocks as tools to smash nuts. That technology stuff is evil!
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    I think I am gonna have crab for dinner tonight, though. That sounds awesome!

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    Haha i love how narrow minded anti space people are.

    "why cant we use the money from space travel to help other countries?"

    Id first look at the much larger budgets of the millitaries and ask the same thing first |:.

    The usa spends more on its military budget than EVERY OTHER COUNTRY COMBINED!
    http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...d/spending.htm

    Space travel is one of those things that actually draws countries together in support.

    For example the google lunar x prize has teams from all across Europe, Asia, America and hell even a team from Jamaica. It is not about warmongering you great twat.
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    Xeon, I'm sorry, but I think you need to do a little research. :/

    1) Exo-planet research is the quickest way we're going to understand our *own* planet better, and learn how to better take care of it. They hope to shed light on earth's own origins and the solar system's by this experiment, I don't see how this could be bad to nature, especially since the impact made literally no change to the moon itself.

    2) I have NO idea where the NASA Missile conspiracy of yours comes from. I'm not even going to touch that. Considering that Japan has much more near-future goals for a moon base than America does, perhaps you should be yelling at them...? (They also just crashed a probe into the moon, too!)

    3) I don't know why you're yelling at NASA for being anti-nature, considering everything you listed as 'nature' is qualified as 'life' and is one of the PRIME reasons for these missions - to find evidence of life! Water is the key to life here on earth so finding it *anywhere* else is a huuuuge step in the right direction. If we actually found alien organisms off planet it will only *help* us understand the life on our own planet and thus learn to better protect them.

    4) Probes are a much more nature-friendly (though i really wouldn't qualify the moon as 'nature', at least not the way you mean it) way of exploring the universe than manned missions are, since they require less fuel, less money, less everything and we still get lots of data.



    I can understand the 'just leave it, humans, you've fucked everything else up' point of view, I can, but I think you are reeeeally over reacting to a very harmless experiment. If they were doing something, like, trying to give mars an atmosphere, I would understand the argument much better. As it is, we ain't changing anything, we aren't harvesting anything - all we are doing is collecting data and information about our universe.


    If you are against gaining the knowledge in general, then I can't help you.

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    I definitely get the logic of what they're trying to do, but it still seems a lot like a Mr. Show sketch.

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    I think even if the earth was barrenised by a nuclear war it would still bea more hospitable environment than the moon.

    And personally I think it's a wate of money and resources to spend billions to find water on the moon, when I can turn on my tap and hey I've got water! Earth is our home, no where else.

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