View Poll Results: Would you take a program like described in the thread instead of private art school?
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no way jose
yes if there was a degree
yes if there was a way to study in person with instructors during the program
yes if there was a way I could study at the conceptart.org atelier at the same time and get financial aid for both
no, i prefer to continue with going to a private school to get 30 percent of my art education at full price
Yes, but only if I could earn a scholarship
September 22nd, 2009 #14
if a degree was tied into the financial aid, accreditation [to get additional aid from the local government- damn bahamas] AND a degree [to appease the parental units], i would tell these other colleges to go fuck themselves and i'd apply in a heartbeat.
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If i could get a good education trough that, and if can pay for it for reasonable price or get financial aid, that would be something i have always dreamt about. As long as my art gets better, degree is not something which is on my priority list. <.<;
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i care not about the degree. quite a few have built empires without that fancy document. i do care about getting a solid education from apex industry folk and then applying it to my own work. i've been toying with the prospect of moving to the west coast just to go to the CA atelier for some time - but money has been a very very serious obstacle. if financial aid and a few loans can get me out there, i'm all for it.
as far as online instruction - it would be an added bonus, if it were to supplement the actual school. but i think that having the instructor (especially since the curriculum is of a visual nature) right there next to you telling you what you're doing right and correcting you when you make mistakes is the best part of the learning process.
thanks for posting this jason.
September 22nd, 2009 #17
That sounds just beyond dreamy!
However, since Eva K and I are fellow natives, I also share her problem. I don't see how I could afford this without loans (even with financial aid) and that probably won't happen if there won't be a degree, like she explained.
I certainly don't care about getting a fancy degree, it'd just make everything a whole lot easier, I'm afraid.
But everything else sounds right up my alley!
September 22nd, 2009 #18
Believe me, all those perks would sway me indefinitely. However, it may be problematic for those of us who are highly kinsethetic, tactile learners. We have to be in the presence, to see, do and feel as we go. Having a place specifically for learning without any home distractions is ideal. The immersion of a college campus and classroom is something I feel I sort of need, at least personally.
However, I still think it would be worth it,even if it were after finishing private college (VA department is a bonus there) or in a supplementary/part time fashion. Learning from the Pros is no joke.
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September 22nd, 2009 #19
Jason, you have just suggested what I have been dreaming of... What you are doing/hosting/organizing is my MAIN REASON for wanting to move away from Europe... I'll be honest on this; I've looked into a lot of US located specialized Art Schools, including Gnomon and other private schools, but I'm a student, I can't afford 10K on my education alone, that doesn't even include a place to stay and traveling costs, and afterwards I would just be flying back home, with a lot more experience but I would still be in Belgium, where concept artists are an unknown term... If something like this would be just a little closer and just a little less expensive, and at a more convenient timing, I'd sign up RIGHT. NOW.
Keep it coming Jason!
September 22nd, 2009 #20
What is this Valhalla of learning that you speak of?
I would very seriously consider this if it were a real option, if it was then remotely viable that i could participate, engage and have the opportunity to learn and study there, i would do everything in my power to do just that.
It does sound like it may be physically located somewhere far from where i live. That could either be a challenging obstacle or an opportunity for greatness.
This thing sounds like an all win situation so far.
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September 22nd, 2009 #21
September 22nd, 2009 #22
Personally, I couldn't care less about a degree. I already have my BFA from a state university art program which gave me that piece of paper but failed to provide me with any sort of technical training or direction other telling me that I should get my MFA if I really wanted to go anywhere. I would love to receive focused technical training as well as an orientation to real-world and commercial application.
Money is the biggest problem for me now and cost of going back to school as well as relocating is a huge hurtle. I'm already in debt with student loans as it is. If I had access to scholarships, that would be huge incentive. Additionally, if a program had a decent professional placement rate as you are describing, that would make taking advantage of financial aid much more justifiable.
September 22nd, 2009 #23
I'm seriously interested in this program.
Would it definitely be ready by next fall? For a couple different reasons, the opening date of this program matters to me. I would need to know whether or not it would even be available, before I make a commitment to another school this spring. So, at this point in time, can you guarantee the existence of this program, or is it still up in the air?
Also, based on all the enthusiastic replies, it sounds as though there might be a lot of competition to get into this. How many "slots" will be open for the full program? I'm curious to know the ratio of students who want in compared to those who will get in, though I suppose you can't predict that as of now. Will we have to submit a portfolio in order to get accepted? How many "full" students are you going to accept at once?
I don't really care that much about the financial aid part, mainly because the school is affordable to begin with. Also, I don't want the quality of the program to be sacrificed for all of us in order for some people to get scholarships. I suspect there will be enough competition between people who want in that you'll find enough people willing to pay full price.
Finally, the only thing that concerns me about this is that I keep hearing that it will be your fellow students who teach you the most, and provide you with the most career opportunities through being contacts. While I can see this type of program facilitating communication between teacher and students, how can we create good, easy communication between students?
Maybe a private forum with video chat just for the "full-time" students to share stuff and learn? I'm sure you guys are figuring it out.
Anyhow, it's currently between this program and Entertainment Design at Art Center, though I would probably prefer this program if I can actually get more information about it. It's so mysterious right now that I've been leaning towards Art Center for the sake of the fact that it's less nebulous!
Another question: Will it be more lecture-driven (like the live streaming classes) or will it be more assignment & critique-driven?
Will the homework load be the same as the homework in a BFA program?
A note about homework: One of the reasons I would prefer this to be degree program is that it would mean that, being accredited, the homework isn't optional. I think worrying about certain due-dates and grades adds a level of extra pressure that will keep many of us from lapsing into just doing the assignments but not really finishing them in time, or to the degree of polish we might if it was graded.
Yet another question:
What skill level will this be for?
While I have nothing against beginners, but I don't want to be in a class full of them. I was hoping that, based on the caliber of the instructors, that this would be an intermediate to very advanced level course. Yes, I know I still have stuff to learn, that's why I want to possibly continue my education with this program. But I don't want to have my teachers taking up a bunch of time in showing someone how to draw a box in 1-point perspective, or what the definition of value is.
Maybe a different way to phrase the question would be in whether the teaching level will be at around the level of most of the MB downloads, especially the more advanced ones... These are more at the level I'm looking for.
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September 22nd, 2009 #24
I would definitely go for it. That option wasn't available to me when I went to art school. Complete waste of time and money. There are only really two or three great art schools to consider, the rest just want to rob you. I spent four years in a private art school and most of my progress has largely come from self-study and this community. Seriously.
With the workshops and now these cool weekend streams (and a lot of hard work) a person can achieve success without going to an expensive private school. You guys are so lucky to have conceptart available as another tool. My advice: stay away from private school.
September 22nd, 2009 #25
September 22nd, 2009 #26
yes if there was a way I could study at the conceptart.org atelier at the same time and get financial aid for both
And please let me explain why (Italics wont go away ?):
I never had the opportunity to get any form of art-education when I was all alone. Now I have children, which means that regardless of what one might think, art WILL come second. Food for my children just plain will come first.
If I had no children, I could easily live off of scraps (one or two m&m's a day) just to scrape through and save cash to be able to get an education in arts.
I might add that the scholarship is an equal option for me, however for me there is a difference (mainly because you didn't spell it out there Jason) and that is: An online education without a degree doesn't feel that interesting. An online education linked to MB/the Ateliér without a degree HELL YEAH!.
The reputation of MB is enough to make the degree irrelevant. People see my (gathered) skills from that education, along with the knowledge of who(m) stand behind it is enough to give me a serious shot at getting a job in the industry, worldwide.
So being physically in the Atelier is not really a must, but the education being linked to the Atelier or MB is.
Some form of monetary solution is also a must. Mainly for the purpose of being able to fully focus on learning. To live and breathe art, to shit art and eat it for lunch, supper and breakfast (second breakfast, munchies, afternoon-sies- art, art and art). To sleep art- and still be able to have food on the table for my children.
Because that little thing there in the end, is what is the biggest problem.
It is people who are dependant on me for actual survival.
Ironically enough, putting food on the table is mostly done with income from art made- commissions and pfreelance-stuff. But to be able to get more work, to earn a living off of it, I would need to improve. To improve I need education and support, and to get education (support is great here at CA) I would need cash...but cash is scarce because I need to improve.
I don't think that I am alone in this spiral hold-back, but I am sincerely hoping that there would possibly be an opening to solve it one day.
Might I add that I, too, live outside of the US and whereas I imagine there being equally much talent or possible new masters outside of the US, at least in MY country, the art-schools are a joke... analy-retarded "artists" who decide on their whims whom gets to become a student. Rarely based upon anything else then ass-licking and who has the cash or the "breeding" (i.e. class and background) for it.
So if you can solve the cash-problem I would be the first to sign up, in fact I already signed up before you asked!