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    major community ripoff

    hi all

    i'm getting infos slowly and if you can find more, please post.
    since i haven't a big amount of informations yet about this whole thing, i'll try staying zen and balanced. but it seems concept artists from the next andrew niccol's movie, called "the cross" have been taking their own little freedom to steal as much as they could from environment artists around.

    i have found three links for now.
    many thanks to Nicholas Scarlet for having informed me about this.
    it seems thomas pringle and Rudolph Herczog's works have been stolen too, as well as a joint piece i've done with rainart (sebastien larroude).

    http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/09/16/...ols-next-film/

    http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/09/...ilm-the-cross/

    http://geektyrant.com/2009/09/conept...ols-the-cross/

    if you have any more infos about this, please post.
    it seems so big it looks like a joke....

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    I think there is absolutely no doubt about this...You might want to contact the websites you linked to first, in order to make sure the concept art they recieved was actually from the producers of the movie, and not something they picked up from the web themselves to make a more interesting blog post.
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    kev; thanks. i'm still trying to see how much they stole.

    second image below is mine. it's available on my site since 2006.
    http://www.sparth.com/gallery/displa...album=53&pos=0
    Last edited by sparth; September 18th, 2009 at 12:18 AM.

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    fuck this !! i hate these thieves !! specially in a high level and in the movie industry like this ...

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    These people must have been either very desperate or very stupid to think they would get away with it in such a high profile project.

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    concept art created by Jean-Vincent Puzos
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0701378/ and he is also one of the producers ...just too crazy

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    Could you guys also post the original artists' webpages/galleries, I don't recognize the pieces taken. Then we could point back to this thread for the whole story.

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    Pringle : dark sector

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    Rudolph Herczog : matte painting
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    If it was just one site I'd say it might be just mix-up, some unofficial asshattery, but seeing as it's replicated in different places it doesn't seem likely. I wonder how they expected to get away with it. I recognised Rudy's pic & Sparth's pic immediately.

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    They're not even trying to be subtle with stealing people's work too. Part of me still hopes this is unofficial wannabe postings on a few blogs hoping to get some more pageviews (Orlando bloom looks awefully pixelated in that first image...) but I fear the worst.

    Makes me feel sick to see this happening, and for such a major production at that. Good luck with going after the ones who did this Sparth, if there's anything we can do to help out let us know. I don't recognize any of the works I'm afraid.

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    dear Sparth. I love your great Technique using stroked textures. Please do whatever it takes to make them pay for this shameful and illegal appropriation.
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    Ugh... such a shameless ripoff
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    Submit this to http://youthoughtwewouldntnotice.com and it will get some good exposure.

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    ok guys...for those artists affected this needs to be handled very carefully. do not do anything AT ALL to respond until you have spoken with an attorney.

    Step one: Prepare for attorney all evidence. Screengrab any online sites that show that work, including all text and links.
    Step two: Screen grab any original images and their locations online.
    Step three: contact attorney and look at possible financial settlement strategies.

    Our attorney would probably take this case. All artists affected can support any fees together. If you need a lawyer who knows this stuff...who is a litigator in california...then let me know. This requires a very specific type of attorney. Do not just call your uncle or whoever else is says attorney on their biz card. You need a litigator versed in intellectual property law and art matters in the entertainment biz.

    That being said, talking to the attorney is step one once you have gathered all evidence. Do not contact them. Do not email the artist. Do not email the director. The attorney will handle that. Time to get paid boys. Time to get paid.

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    Its sad how prevalent art theft seems to be becoming in recent times. Its like people think that any image found on google or the net is just stamp, sealed and delivered for anyone to do anything they want with. Best of luck in dealing with this guys.
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    this really sucks to see man... Is it possible to watermark your work once published in the internet?

    In that case they should do that so it's easier for an attorney to slaughter their asses!!

    gonna study law soon and i might try to specialise in intellectual propertey... I think its time to speak up for our independant artist and make those fat cats fear us!!!

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    This one is mine that they are using.

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    I made it for my company CCP Games so they hold the copyright for it, they already have a lawyer on it.


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    I hope the victims can get a settlement out of this.

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    crazy
    good to see so many members looking for and posting links to 'evidence'
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    pretty ridiculous..a bad publicity at an early stage like this can be a killer, someone is going to be roasted for that..
    let us know how it goes and best of luck!!
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    that's just fucked up!

    rip them a new asshole guys! ^^

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    Thanks for posting this.

    This one´s mine. Dumbnuts even left my logo in the corner.
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    I wouldn´t know how to proceed with this so any tips are appreciated. Having an attorney is not very common in Sweden, and i wonder what they could accomplish from here either way.

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    lolololol, can't believe a high-production movie like this would make it so obvious

    A) They have no clue their production artist is copying

    B) They know, they just don't give a fuck, they're betting no one can sue them for much (if at all) anyway or no one will bother

    Which is it.

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    What's more important than where you are, is where the prospective defendants are. Where is their business located? Where were they making money using your image? That's probably where you sue them. That's where you need your attorney to be. (At least that same country. There's a certain amount of "forum shopping" that goes on in a large system like the United States Federal Courts, for example, and so the attorney would help you through a lot of the tactical level stuff like which city you should file in.)

    While you are researching those bad guys, don't forget to grab all the screenshots and stuff that Jason was talking about. They are liable to yank all the offending images from the web when they find out they have been caught.

    I recommend you hurry. People are posting complaining comments on that blog that was linked in the first post so I'm quite sure word is out by now. Edit: Yeah The Quiet Earth has already yanked all the images and issued the "retraction" that the images were inspiration rather than the actual concept art. You need to grab what you can off of the blogs ASAP and contact the other victims to see if you can be co-plaintiffs.
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    Hi,

    I'm the owner of ScreenRant.com, one of the sites mentioned above. Someone was kind enough to leave a link to this thread on the post over at my site that contained the artwork. I just wanted to let you know that the artwork has been removed from the post.

    You should know that our site had no intention of "stealing" anyone's artwork - based on two different sources we believed the artwork was by Jean Vincent Puzos and that it was related to the film "The Cross." In writing about it we were highlighting/promoting the film and thus informing readers about something they may not have been aware of.

    FYI on my site there is a Contact page - so perhaps instead of sitting here and raising pitchforks and cursing sites, you could have contacted them to let them know what the situation was. As soon as I became aware of this (a few minutes ago) I removed the images.

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    Hi Vic, I don't think anybody has issues with you or any of the other sites that posted the work in good faith, just with the producers or whoever is responsible for apparently stealing the work in the first place.

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    Ah, thanks for the clarification. FYI, if someone had contacted me I could have removed the images a month ago.

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    seeing things like this makes me sad and fearful for art and putting it up on the internet.I mean really....my computer is full inspirational works by other artists, but click saving them to a folder that says "My pictures" does not make them in any way mine.(other than to veiw of course!)

    man stuff like this is depressing.

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