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    Why do you hate Anime and Manga so?

    I'm a huge fan of this artform but am just wondering why this forum in particular seems to have this stigma about it? Just from reading various posts people round here seem to be dead against it, even though there's loads of artists on here that seem very inspired by it.

    Couldn't find anything relevant in searches so if this has been discussed before, link me up. Cheers!
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    My common sense is tingling.

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    I think you should take a closer look at the threads you're reading. Unless it's a few trolls, chances are people are telling newcomers who seem to be drawing only anime (or any heavily stylized style) that they should be drawing realism also, as a way to learn.

    This forum isn't dead set against anime. There are anime pieces in the ff section (Alien usually posts those, and everyone loves it) every so often, and a few of the pros around here are anime inspired.

    The main "problem" I guess that most people have with anime is that if used exclusively, it hampers learning. There's only just so far you can go in that realm, and it seems that one of the only ways to have it look better or distinctive is to inject varying amounts of realism into it. If cell shaded, chances are newbies aren't thinking aboput form at all, arguably one of the most important aspects of representational art. That's a big thing to miss just because you want to draw large eyes.

    Finally, the attitude of a lot of the new anime artists who come here has a small hand in the some of the attitude they receive; more often than not, they want to draw anime, only anime, and expect us to give them "tips and tricks" on how to improve their "shading" without having to do any work. Some just seem lazy about art, and in a forum where learning and hard work is respected it's not surprising that they might receive a few less-than-flattering messages.
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    me loves anime and manga big time.

    But i hate manga tutorials made by foreigners and 13 years old "Otakus" who call themself Manga-ka.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R a n d i s View Post
    But i hate manga tutorials made by foreigners and 13 years old "Otakus" who call themself Manga-ka.
    Remind me of the flood of this how to draw anime book by a certain US guy. Can't remember his name but I can't believe he can keep producing so many of those books every year... (wait just remember his name when about to post. It's Christopher Hart)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Porg View Post
    Couldn't find anything relevant in searches so if this has been discussed before, link me up. Cheers!
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56594
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=110227
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=83119
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=127946
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=131002
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    I love anime/manga... and there's tons of truly awesome work & artists out there. The problem here though, is that for every one skilled artist that happens to use anime/manga as their vehicle, there are a buttload of noob-art-wannabees who already think they're hot shit and that willful ignorance is the same as "style".

    It's NOT the genre that's the problem here... it's the hangers-on. A good artist wants to learn and realizes that there is a lot of work involved, regardless of whether they choose anime/manga as their field or not.

    What we don't like is an unskilled artist that isn't interested in learning... they seem to think that there are just a few easily-learned rendering tricks that will suddenly make their clunky Naruto fanartz the most awesomest artz evr... or even WORSE, some seem to think that their clunky Naruto fanartz are ALREADY the most awesomest artz evr... and all that anatomy, perspective, proportion, form, value, color, and practice shit just doesn't apply to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Porg View Post
    Why do you hate Anime and Manga so?
    My parents were killed by Manga in a dark alley in 1938.
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    Jason Rainville said it best. ConceptArt doesn't hate anime at all. It's just that learning just from anime is not conducive to improvement as an artist.
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    It's not really the quality of artwork that matters because, hey, they're having fun drawing and painting something so why give a damn? I've had my share of Goku and Pokemon fanart.

    It's really the general perception of the community that makes people hate it. There's always these bad eggs who think they're the hottest shit on the planet for being able to paint Naruto half-naked on a beach and backlashing against anyone who has critiques about it. Then there's that stereotype where people think all Anime fans go around mixing Japanese and English in their normal everyday speech. Combine those together and you will have haters.

    People seem to be fair on CA.org, however, so no problems here generally speaking.
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    Because I can't cope with the sight of androgynous girlmen, nor watch a minute long slow-zoom scene of two of them standing side by side, watching dully into the distance with their empty, doll-like gazes.

    On the other hand, I love Jin-Roh. The most expensive DVD I ever bought
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    It's an attitude not exclusive to Anime/manga. We'd give the same response to kids who are only drawing from Marvel comics, or kids who learn exclusively from drawing Disney cartoons. Really any fan art where the artist isn't pushing themselves to learn the greater lessons beyond their chosen style.

    It's a little like a parrot that has learned to talk. There's a mimicking of many of the elements of speech (or art), but there's not enough real understanding behind it to go very far.
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    I like anime. I just don't like to draw or trying to learn drawing it, as it's too stylized and i prefer more realism (if that can be a legitimate argument by someone heavily into fiction/fantasy )

    And yes. The same problems exist in comics from other parts of the world, such as marvel. Personally though, i'd say that in anime the problems are more prevalent as the extremeties of the "artform" are so much more obvious (large heads, enormous eyes, etc).
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