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    but still, its good

    oh, and I really do not enjoy drawing when Im sick. Feels..cumbersome.

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    the paintings on the paper are very good!keep it!that make i can see how you thinking!it very good!

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    Nice updates krel.
    Love the fact that your self-critting as you go. Just watch out for head proportions in a couple of the sketches on sheet 4 on post#452 as they look a bit small.
    I'm having a Flight of the Concords moment with post #451 LOL!!!
    Keep up the good work buddy.

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    lookin good man. just a reminder: the middle of the ribs (bottom of the front part...like, the bottom of the breastbone) is a little further down from the middle bottom of the chest...remember to keep that distance in there, for your proportions. stay pimpin, man!

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    LAL: Thanks duder

    Snail: Been listening ALOT to the Conchords lately :p And thanks for the crit!

    Purby: Thanks mate. Just to make sure I understand you right here..
    Vilppu says pit of neck <--> breastplate equals breastplate <--> 10th rib. You mean I should put the landmark alittle further down than that?


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    Been having a rough time last couple of days. Slight fever, and just a nagging feeling that im not "getting" it. Really hating myself an my inability to do this right.
    Had weird whimsical dreams about body parts fitting together, haha. I blame the fever, althou its not the first time I dream about anatomy.

    But maybe maybe atleast im _starting_ to get it. In the sketch to the right on the first page I did some things differently, and I think I came alittle closer to how I want them to look.

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    Your muscle groups are pretty clearly drawn. My only suggestion is to make your faces more solid, the underlining skull seems to be a bit soft/mushy.

    Make a sketchbook happy, feed it a tip to improve!

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    yes, that's what i'm saying. the bottom of the pectoralis muscles is not at the bottom of the breastplate, and that's the problem. the bottom of the breastplate should be lower.

    also, sometimes, your like, abdomen (between the hips and the ribcage) is very rubbery. not ALL the time, just sometimes, mostly when you do twisting motions. you might check that out sometime.

    nice shading on this last one. take care, yo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by purb36 View Post
    yes, that's what i'm saying. the bottom of the pectoralis muscles is not at the bottom of the breastplate, and that's the problem. the bottom of the breastplate should be lower.

    also, sometimes, your like, abdomen (between the hips and the ribcage) is very rubbery. not ALL the time, just sometimes, mostly when you do twisting motions. you might check that out sometime.

    nice shading on this last one. take care, yo!
    I'm not disagreeing with you but something to keep in mind (and I screw this up all the time) is that the Rectus Abdominus actually overlaps the thoracic arch and attaches to the bottom couple of true ribs. Because of this, the Thoracic arch can appear too close to the Pectoral muscles if drawn improperly, the mass of the abs is overlapping making the arch itself appear too high. The only way to pull this bit of knowledge off in ones work is to indicated that there is a subtle protruding mass and not a dip in the form caused by the ribcage ending, you know? Just a note.

    Your recent studies are some of the best I've seen from you so far Krel, there is a good sense of mass. Very nice work.

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    KILLING IT! Yay, not much else to say but keep it up! Get that mileage in there and you'll go far with these studies. Man, such inspiration

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    Hey Krel, your work rate is immense mate. Your studies are gradually improving from what I can see. I have one point to make are your doing any life drawing with actual models? I reckon that getting some time with a live model will give you the knowledge you need to take your figure drawing even further. As well as making what you have learned from these studies become even clearer.

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    great studies krel! just curious, what have you been using for your pose studies? also, your foreshortening is great in post #456. keep up the studies my friend! (^-^d)

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    Joining in the masses of commenter here!
    Great Effort, mate! I really like how your studies taking shapes. Your sketchbook is really enjoyable, recently. Your work has been improving very nicely and lots of good info posted here by good people. Keep up the good work and you'll get there in no time

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    Hey krel! You're really busting your ass with these last few studies . Learning anatomy is hard man, but you're improving. Just keep at the pace you're going and you'll be great in no time.

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    Hey Krel how goes it? I am gonna second what witcrack said up there i do believe you have levelled up with your studies the anatomy and gestures are definitely paying off. Keep on trucking dudee!



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    Pigeonkill: Thanks dude. Yeah I still have big problems with the skull and the features of the face.

    purb: The main reason my abdomen often looks rubbery is that I up until just recently had no idea _what was really in there_, haha. The space/lenght between pelvis and ribcage still haunts me tbh. Great crit!

    Cam: Thanks for the input on that, Cam. Helps clear it up alittle.

    Jussi: Hah, if I can inspire someone else to draw more, then thats the least I can do in return for all the awesome help I get in this SB.

    Hermit: Id love to do some life drawing, but its hard to find that around here. I tried it twice before xmas, it was hard but intresting.

    teapo: Hey man! Ive been using the site characterdesigns.com alot, but also posemaniacs for the quicker poses.

    wit: Thanks wit! Thats very nice to hear I hope I can continue to improve from here aswell, but Im afraid scholl will hit me in the back with a ton of shit pretty soon.

    eddie: Thanks man Yes, anatomy is fukken hard. But I actually enjoy studying it.

    latigid: Thanks duder! Yeah hopefully it will start to pay off, haha.

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    Still looking good Krel. Be sure to draw this stuff from imagination as often as possible to review, even if it's just a scribble (I do it all the time when learning new things, I just don't post them for the most part because of how ugly they are, the point is to learn from them ). Try wrapping cross contours around the form every now and then, it can really help with defining the form and structure of the figure.

    I can't wait until you start with Sheldon's videos by the way. I forgot to mention to you that only the videos before the ones on technique along with the color fundamentals video are truly essential, everything else has helpful information for sure but is less crucial. Still, don't hesitate to get the other stuff if you're interested because it can only help you.

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    Ding, someone has lvled up! What are you an orc warlock?
    Man good good, goooood to see, that much of improvement always make me happy.

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    Awesome updates krel. Loving all these anatomy studies. Only small crit is the head of the girl in the 4th piece in post#466 looks a out of proportion to the body. Other than that small thing keep up the awesome work my friend.

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    looking great krel, digging all the technical bits about anatomy (^-^d) i should probably try doing more poses from characterdesigns too. keep going my friend !

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    Cam, Ice, Snail, teapo: You give me way to much credit guys. Of course its fun to hear that things looks like its on the right track, but lets be honest, its just studies.
    Thanks everyone for the crits!

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    Alot of bad proportions and linework in this batch. But at the same time, the reason im doing this is not to create fancy sketches, but to learn how to body looks and works.

    Im "done" with Vilppu for now. By no means ive learnt all there is to learn, but I should have a pretty basic understanding of the human body now.
    From here on the real hard work begins; to put those studies to use.

    Any tips on exercises you can do to remember the muscles is welcome. Ive got a few ideas on my own, but well see how it turns out.

    (btw I hate the uploader. Why do I have to enter the data for EVERY file? Stupid.)

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    Lol, I just noticed, who the f changed my SB title, haha?

    Last time I checked Im SURE it read "Dawn" and "More", not dawg, and moar. Its all good thou :p

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    Quote Originally Posted by krel
    Lol, I just noticed, who the f changed my SB title, haha?

    Last time I checked Im SURE it read "Dawn" and "More", not dawg, and moar. Its all good thou :p
    Ah so it IS an april fool's jokery!! I knew it! Happened to me too, someone's changing my moniker to "asscrack"

    So, krel! Wow. You're leveling up for sure! Congratulation for "finishing" the vilppu's study. In some aspects you are better than me, already. I'm serious, it's no April's jokery, honest! My advise is the usual "study and apply" No need to elaborate on that one, i'm sure you know what it means

    So, Dawg!! Haha Keep doing what you are doing, it's going to be great!

    P.S. Yeah, i hate the uploader too. It's too cumbersome, i rarely filled the keyword thing (except the word "witcrack, sketchbook"). I hope it's changing on CA 4.0.

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    Nice updates in here Krel that anatomy study is paying off big time! Wanted to ask you about a previous thing you said "Vilppu says pit of neck <--> breastplate equals breastplate <--> 10th rib" can you explain in a bit more detail where these landmarks are? I cant seem to work that one out probably me being uber thick!



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    Witcrack: haha, I never thought about it being april fools. I wonder if they changed it all manually?! It fits too well in a few cases.

    latigid: Im still not the person to ask about this, really, so if anyone else would like to step in and give some advices that be cool.
    But, in general you have the same space between "bottom of sternum" and "pit of neck", as you have between sternum and 10th rib.
    (You also have the same distance from top of head to bottom of nose, and nose to pit och neck.)
    Check out my 2 last pages in #471.

    Also purb / Cam have some additional more in-depht info higher up on the page, but in general this seems to be a great, easy to remember landmark.

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    Great updates Dawg! Moar!

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    Still so many studies. Very Commendable, but please don't burn yourself out. Do you ever just draw for fun?


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    Black Spot: Thats a weird question. For me, learning is fun.

    Did I enjoy studying japanese for 10h / day? No, (but when you get into the rhythm its not too bad.)
    Do I enjoy being fluent in japanese? Yes!

    You have to put something in to get something out you know?

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    I like it! That's the whole secret!
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    About studying anatomy, the way that I learned was to copy the articles on Anatomy from Wikipedia (word for word) and copy the illustrations until I could recite the definitions and draw the anatomy from memory. They're just excerpts from Gray's Anatomy so they are reliable (if you'd like, you can just buy the book itself which I also own, it's just less convenient). I'd recommend starting with the skeleton (it helps, trust me). Again, try to be thorough, the minute knowledge of the skeletal anatomy will come in handy when you're trying to learn where the muscles fit and insert. Once you have a solid understanding of the skeleton, then learn the basic muscle masses. Only worry about the superficial musculature, it will save you a lot of time and hassle.

    Some mistakes I made when I was learning anatomy since I had no direction whatsoever:

    Studying the deep musculature. I didn't know what I'd need and what I wouldn't so I just tried to study it all. I started at the skeleton and worked my way out in layers of muscles. I didn't realize that knowing that stuff if fairly unessential and really sort of useless. You only need to know the superficial musculature.

    Starting at the hand and working my way up the arm. My rationale was that since the hand was where I was weakest, that would be where I'd start. It is one of the more complicated areas of musculature, I would recommend doing the opposite of what I did (which would mean, to start at the torso and move outward).

    One last thing to note is that this only made me aware that the muscles were there, it didn't teach me to draw them. To learn that, you need drawing books.

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