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    Dog Attack

    SO i know this has nothing to do with art, but i'm really looking for advice on this.
    Soooo this just happened.

    William who grew up in state A and now lives in state B has brought his wife, one and a half year old son, and 2 dogs back to state A for a few weeks. They're staying with his mother and her boyfriend, so she can spend time with her grandson. They do this a few times a year.

    We had a party tonight at his moms place. we're all of age, and there was plenty of drinking, but nothing sloppy. Just a gathering of late twenties people having a bbq.

    The moms' boyfriends' daughter (who also lives there) has a female friend over as well.

    Well that friend has the most to drink and went to get something from her car at the end of the driveway. Its dark out and she heads up the driveway. One of the dogs (a great dane who has always been nice) growls at the girl in the dark. She get to where everyone is outside and starts with the drunkin "Hey boy why are you growling, you know me"...blah blah blah stuff.

    Even though the dog is growling (and being yelled at by william who starts heading over to keep things cool) the girl crouches down and says "I don't get it an hour we were all kissy"
    She puts her face in his face making kissy noises and the dog bites her fucking face.

    Williams mother who is a nurse, and works at a hospital, does what she can there and the rush her to the ER.

    Now here's the dilemma
    1) William is scared he's gonna get sued for everything he has....We don't know the extent of the injuries yet. Is the fault on him being the dog owner, or does it go to the property owner? is the girl in any way to blame for this?

    2) He feel he HAS to put the dog down, because he has a 1 1/2 year old son and can not tolerate a dog who would bite a human. He feel he can't give it away because he don't want it to attack some other child. I understand what he means but i don't know if i agree with it.

    Is this action forgivable?

    This is an actual even that occurred less than 2 hours ago. I am interested in the debate about this, but also thankful for any advice you guys may have....
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    It can vary but it's usually the fault of the person who owns the dog. I also believe there is insurance in case of incidents of this. I can't remember it was under a homeowner's insurance of with a pet insurance.

    This also varies, I've heard of cases where a dog can be fine if it was an isolated incident.

    I'm curious about the breed of dogs your friends have, because certain breeds have personality traits one could look for, and it can also help if in the case the dog stays you can learn to curb habits.

    Also as a general rule, do not keep pets alone with young children. Doesn't matter how docile you feel your family pet is, the child is not large enough or knowing enough to detect alpha dog behavior - after all they're still direct descendants of wolves.

    Also pets around young children unattended dog, cat whatever is just a bad idea overall.
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    I also think that the liability is with the owner and not the property owner. If I were walking my dog and it attacks you in a neighbor's yard as you were walking past, you can't hold the random neighbor responsible, can you?

    I'd think the biggest issue now is if this girl is going to want to sue and how much. I can't say that either side is clearly innocent or guilty, and it does sound like she is the one most at fault, but it was his dog. I also don't know if his decision to have the dog put down would have any influence on either his liability or her desire to get legal, but it might

    sounds like a rotten situation for all involved though
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    If someone put their face in the bear pen at the zoo. And got mad their nose got bitten off, who's fault is it?

    If you have witnesses saying she provoked the dog, putting it down doesn't have to happen. But I would suggest keeping the dog in it's home environment. No more long trips. Which I assume is why he acted out.

    But like Arshes Nei said, your interest should always been in human lives. And if the animal has tasted human blood and can't remain docile anymore. I would put it down and get an ankle biter.
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    hmmm. clearly with roberts rule of law,
    the chick is at fault for being a fucking idiot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irishdrunk View Post
    If someone put their face in the bear pen at the zoo. And got mad their nose got bitten off, who's fault is it?

    If you have witnesses saying she provoked the dog, putting it down doesn't have to happen. But I would suggest keeping the dog in it's home environment. No more long trips. Which I assume is why he acted out.

    But like Arshes Nei said, your interest should always been in human lives. And if the animal has tasted human blood and can't remain docile anymore. I would put it down and get an ankle biter.
    You are comparing dogs to bears, should we really be allowed to own dogs for pets and let them outside if that comparison is valid?

    I am not a big fan of dogs, I know that most of them never bite a human but I am convinced that they are all capable of it under the right circumstances. Every dog owner I have met has had the attitude that their dog could never bite someone, some even seem to think that after they _have_ bitten someone and blame it on the person who got bitten.. Everone doesn't know how dogs work, if you let your dog loose among unkowing people or children who might unintentionally provoke it, I think you should be responsible if something happens.


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    Well I wasn't trying to compare animals. More so comparing common sense. If someone sticks their tongue in a mouse trap, does the contraption's owner be punished?

    I particularly dislike dogs. Bad childhood memories. But I would be disgusted if the dog was put down for someone's stupidity. And more often than not, animals in these circumstances are put down.
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    If this great dane bit her just once then I don't see any need to get it put down. It was likely just annoyed at having a drunken woman menace it on a dark driveway. I know I would be. It clearly didn't intend any harm. The owner might want to get it checked out, however, as dogs sometimes bite when they're not feeling well. Perhaps the car ride didn't agree with it.

    I can't advise on the legal situation. It seems if someone gets a thorn in their ass they want to sue these days.
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    It is entirely the responsibility of the dog owner. Homeowner's insurance will cover the suit, if one is filed.

    My nephew's face was bitten by their next-door neighbor's dog, his cheek ripped off and his face damaged beyond repair. He was 2, and he didn't even see the dog to provoke it, it just came running out of the house and straight for the toddler.

    He is now 18 and has suffered through dozens of facial surgeries to be able to open his mouth completely, which he still cannot do.

    So yeah, fuck the dog. People are way more important, even stupid ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron Impossible View Post
    If this great dane bit her just once then I don't see any need to get it put down.
    It might not be up to the owner at all. I don't know where OP lives but when dogs exhibit that kind of aggressive behavior they are usually taken by the local human society and put down.
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    We actually just went through this with a dog that my mom had. He wound up having to be put down and I don't think your friend's dog has to be, but I'll explain the difference between my mom's case and yours.

    My mother's dog would bite with no warning. It didn't matter if it was friends, strangers or family. It would happen without a growl, under calm/usual circumstances, and it was vicious. It happened several times and the final time was an oil man who had come over to fill up the tank for the winter, he came to the door and, while my mother was writing him a check, the little dog ran over and wailed on him. Luckily, it was a bigger guy and the dog was only a 10lb. Shih Tzu so he was able to shake him off pretty easily, but the dog still drew quite a bit of blood. The state said he HAD to be quarantined for 14 days (in case of rabies) and then put down or put down immediately and have the vet send the dogs head in for testing. The whole situation was terrible - thankfully the guy who had gotten bitten wasn't that upset by the whole situation and didn't hold my family responsible.. (I think he felt like he couldn't be when he saw how upset my mom was.) The vet felt that the dog was probably a result of poor breeding and probably had a screw loose (which can happen when people breed dogs and don't have a clean line/know what they're doing) because he said it was NOT normal dog behavior, even though every dog does have the ability to bite. A dog who isn't dangerous will never bite it's master and will always give warning first - never attack unannounced.

    Now, I tell you all that so that I can say this: your friend's dog has no history of biting. It was unusual circumstances (having traveled). He obviously felt threatened by this girl (probably because she was drunk and whatnot) and gave her warning to back off. She got in his face despite his clear warning. I don't believe the dog has to be put down because she was the one who pushed the boundaries, not the dog. I'm not saying that she doesn't have a right to be upset that she got bit (because it's an upsetting experience, I'm sure), but she certainly can't deny that it was kind of her own fault it happened.

    I can understand if your friend is nervous having the dog around his kid now - any parent would be. I think that, if he's that uncomfortable, he could find the dog a home with no children in it, but I really think it's a drastic measure at this point given the circumstances the bite happened in.

    I'd be curious to know how the dog behaves on a regular basis? How old is the dog? How long have they had it? Just for a basis of comparison to how he acted at the party. I think his typical behavior would be the determining factor if this was a bite that had been waiting to happen (any time, any place) or if it was this girl's fault that it even happened in the first place.
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    Hard to make an attempt to defend the dog's life by saying the victim was stupid and the dog was out of its element.You know who's dumb and can be found anywhere? Little kids. Screw the dog. Put it down.

    When I was 5, my family's dog attacked me and nearly killed me. My jaw was broken. My nose was broken. My eye socket had to be re-constructed. I had to undergo a ton of reconstructive surgery. I wore sunglasses whenever I went outside for a long time after that. My tear ducts are still fxcked up and I'm lucky I don't have double vision. This was a mature dog that we'd had for years. It showed NO signs of hostility towards people before then and attacked without warning. I wasn't antagonizing the dog. My brother had just taken me off of his shoulders. My father and brother were around and still couldn't intervene quick enough. That's how fast and unexpected it can happen. Why the fxck would you take the chance of this dog later killing someone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joeslucher View Post
    This was a mature dog that we'd had for years. It showed NO signs of hostility towards people before then and attacked without warning.
    I see your point but on the basis of this logic all dogs should be put down. The question is, does a single bite make the behaviour you described more likely? And I don't know that it does. In this case I don't see that a single instance of a quick bite (if that's what it was) warrants a one-way trip to doggy heaven.

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    Screw the dog
    Now that's just asking to be bitten.
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