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    Was: archery input - updated with watercolour

    Hey guys! I seem to start all my posts with "Not sure if anyone remembers me", I guess I ought to pop in more often than once every two years...

    Here are two pics I'm working on at the moment, both in a Fantasy setting.

    In the first one, what concerns me most right now is that readability of the scene and perspective of the bridge work. I know it's a bit wonky, but is it "old wonky" or "badly drawn wonky"?

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    The second is just a kissy scene I felt like doing. Does the anatomy look okay? His arm is bent the wrong way; I've already noticed that and will correct it. *Oh, right, and her hand is made of paper.

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    Thanks in advance!

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    the bridge scene looks very good for me, perhaps you could put the wall on the far side of the bridge a little higher, maybe.

    The kissing scene is pretty awesome as well, besides your own observations it looks fine.

    Great Work!

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    Thanks, Wender! Right, that bit still looks odd. I'll correct that.

    I went ahead today and cleaned up the kiss scene.

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    I'm probably going to colour it in watercolours tomorrow.

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    Lines are sweet but it doesn't look like their lips are going to connect.

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    DeeLock - I tried both in the initial stages; I liked the clumsy impression this one conveyed.

    This is what the finished image looks like, btw.
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    I always thought these were watercolours.

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    Why, yes, they are. This one is, at least.

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    That water color job looks incredible!

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    Thank you! I took a looooong detour into digital for several years, but it seems I've finally found my way home, mostly.

    A new sketch, from the same story as the above:

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    I looked at a lot of reference of longbow archery photos; does it look okay?

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    I love the watercolor job you did. It just has such a whimsical/light feel.

    Reminds me of a tutorial I saw maybe 5 or 6 years ago using a blend of photoshop and watercolor. The process went from pencil sketch to cleaned up photoshop lines, then printed on watercolor paper, painted in black and white and then scanned and colorized.

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    Thanks! That tutorial was probably mine - if it was this one

    I use colours again these days, though.

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    LOL, it totally was hahahaha. The web is a small world after all. I notice you prefer a very small niche of subject matter. I wonder what a sci-fi pic, like maybe a space shop scene would look like don in your style in watercolor would look like. Anyhow I look forward t seeing more, not too much to crit, as your lines are pretty accurate.

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    I love your watercolour paintings!

    I think you should make the archer guy's hands a little bigger. They look a bit delicate!~
    Loving his sterny-pensivey expression

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    I like your watercolor drawings.

    Good idea to use gray scale watercolors and color them digitally.

    Drawing on paper gives more freedom to arm movement ... mh ... more then my postal-stamp wacom.

    Keep up your nice works.

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    Truepinkas: I know, my scope is limited. But since I get to do so little artwork these days, with family and work, I have to make sure that the stuff I do is what I really want to do. I have some older Star Wars pics, but most of that was before I even owned a computer, so I haven't got any of that scanned

    Ethlen: Thanks, you're right! Better now? I also worked on the background figures a bit. The rest will come in the lineart.

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    Edit: Thanks, Talwacht! I don't use that greyscale technique anymore, though - that was back when I was way insecure about my colours at times. A few years of working digitally and being able to tweak colours to my life's content have mostly got rid of that.

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    Yeah, it's better 8D Can't wait to see the end result

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    Just saw this thread. I noticed that the line of the bow string and angle of the bow against the hands is a little off.

    I don:t know if he is preparing to shoot, or if he is hesitating for some reason. His face tells me he isn`hesitating, so there needs to be a little more tension in the string of the bow. Also, staying on that line of thought, he is holding the bow a little too high up. Shortening the end of the bow that is in the center of the picture will help fix that perspective.

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    I`m not at home so I can`t do something like a paint over. Besides...you are really good! I couldn`t do it and do it justice.

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    I'd be grateful for a paintover nonetheless - since I'm not exactly sure what you mean My anatomy may be pretty solid, but I don't know that much about archery, and it was really hard to find decent reference pics.

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    Okay, I will try a paintover when I get home later today. I am at work
    Wow..my first paintover...I`m excited!

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    Hi. Sorry about the delay--I did my best to show you what I was talking about.

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    I am still learning about perspective and forshortening--I can recognize it and stuff, but it is still difficult for me to draw. I mostly used the picture in my previous post as a reference because it is pretty darn close to what I was talking about.

    Anyway, just a suggestion. I don't know if it helps or not.

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    Thanks, anjyil - the problem is that you've made it a shortbow now, and it's important for the setting that it's a longbow (the famed longbow of the Welsh archers). If you meant it to still be a longbow and curve way back (hence foreshortening), that wouldn't work since the longbow can't curve that far around the body, the string would be in the way. As far as I know, you can't bend the longbow at all in that position - you nock the arrow, then you pull up the bow to a vertical position, bend the bow and loose.

    So, does it work if he's not bending his bow at all, but just nocking his arrow? The boys in your ref shot are doing the same, if I'm reading the image correctly, it's just that shortbows are curved even in resting position, longbows are almost perfectly straight when unstrung, slightly curved when strung and only curve fully when bent.

    This is getting kind of nerdy now.

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    Haha nerdy is fun! What I meant to do was put it more at an angle, slightly tilted. I have the image very strong in my mind--I've seen enough movies, especially in Japan, with people drawing their bows (longbows, I rarely see short here). The length actually looks the same to me, when I look at the picture it is over. The end of the bow goes off the page but I may have misdrew the line of the string making it look shorter

    Don't you hate it when you have an image in your head but you aren't yet at the level in which you can put it out? Some help I am :/

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    I'm also very VERY Stubborn and want to make sure I am understood so I am going to try one more...one more time...forgive me, please

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    The enlarged canvas was more for me so that I could see the lines completely. But well, the main thing I wanted to focus on was the angle of the bow (which I think I did a LITTLE bit better here). I keep thinking of the flow of drawing the arrow along with placing it along the body for aiming, now the bow is lifted up and over in a slight arch, especially long bows. When the notch of the arrow is placed onto the string, there is a bit of tension on the string--it no longer is straight, but the curve is only barely detectable as the archer has not put the tension to it yet. He is merely starting to. I had a bow and arrow once long ago when I was younger. I didn't use it for long, as it was a cheap one, but I remember the feel very clearly....

    Sorry I wasn't much help...You are a great artist anyway haha

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    Ah, but I think I finally got what you mean now! You mean that the lower hand holding the bow should be closer to the viewer in perspective, and that it looks "fly-swatted" to his thigh right now?

    I think I can pull that one off. Thanks a lot!

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    :-D Yah!! I made sense!!! Happy dance

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    Oh, and your second pic (I hadn't seen that yet, sorry) made even more sense! Now I know what you meant. The arrow should form a right angle with the bow - of course. I had tried that in an initial sketch, but I liked the line of the bow at the angle I did it in, because it looked as if he was only just nocking the arrow and would be correcting the positioning in the next second... but yours, of course, is much more self-explanatory, and makes him look more accomplished as an archer. Both of which is good.

    lol, my archery experience is restricted to a bow my dad made for me when I was twelve, and blue rubber-tipped arrows that didn't even endanger our living-room window.

    Edit: The more I look at my old pic, the more wrong the angle looks. Thanks again!

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    Wow! Thanks I want to see the results!!

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    I like your work. Good flow of the figure, natural & solid!

    "Everything must serve the idea. The means used to convey the idea should be the simplest and clear. Just what is required. No extra images. To me this is a universal principle of art. Saying as much as possible with a minimum of means."
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    Thanks, mate!

    I got it now. I'll post the lineart when it's done. Enlarged the figure slightly to add more tension with the figures hanging back; and man, just having the arrow point more to the right added a lot of dynamics.

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    Hahah I had one of those, too, but my dad bought us an arrow that we actually had to use a box or paperbag for--no rubber tips. God I wish I still had that--I love archery! I can't wait to see this in color

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