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    VG Plagiarism not Limited to Concept Art

    Apparently a fairly notorious musical composer for videogames in Japan got officially busted for stealing tracks after a game was published using some music from Chrono Trigger.

    Stealing the creative work of others is just low class to begin with, but I don't get why people always try to rip from the most popular sources?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interceptor View Post
    Stealing the creative work of others is just low class to begin with, but I don't get why people always try to rip from the most popular sources?
    They don't, but those that do are the most likely to get caught and even when the others get caught you don't hear as much about it as its not as sensational as when they steal from the little guys.

    Also, occasionally the popular examples steal from the small no-names. In my oppinion this is worse as the large company will make far more off the theft than the small company ever would by stealing from the large company.

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    Good points, Peter

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    I am sick of hearing about a rip every day. This needs to stop and people need to do something that will make people think twice about doing this.

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    rabble rabble rabble!

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    happens in all fields....the guy who invented intermittant windshield wipers got farked for decades by the big auto makers.

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    now ripping form unpopular sources would be a new concept...

    i didnt hear the tracs but chronotrigger/chronocross ost is great, i can imagine why someone aimed to imitate it.
    Its hard to tell tho, it may not be the composers fault only, clients often want things similar to other products...

    if you copy someones work 1:1 it sucks, sure thing.
    However looking back a couple of years and looking at 90% of all mecha robots posted on us and european sites i can tell that japanese anime and manga mecha designs were ripped off BIG time... but in this case it is called inspiration of course...

    Open your eyes, this is how the worl ticks, there are 10 copies of every good movie and most of the things you think that are original are based on thing you might not know. You think mikey mouse is original? sam fisher is original or the much older MGS series? or was the origin 007, and what is 007 based on?
    Orininality is a luxery this world has only in very very limited amounths.

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    Open your eyes? yes, everyone knows it happens. it's just news, man.
    Interesting, cause it's related to the field alot of people here work in.
    And yeah, it's how things happen, but it's still a shame.

    and Jason, yeah I saw that, pretty harsh. That guy went nearly (or totally?) bankrupt or something to pursue his invention, too.

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    Sadly, I've seen worse rips. Someone made a whole video game out of other titles.

    Still, I think the fact he got famous despite doing this is fucked up.

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    check out the original Metal Gear Solid theme...composed by Georgy Sviridov in russia in 1975

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JL4JXEv-RY

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Manley View Post
    happens in all fields....the guy who invented intermittant windshield wipers got farked for decades by the big auto makers.
    Yup, I remember a documentary about the guy, Bob Kearns. There's a movie about him too. Flash of Genius

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    The bad artist imitates, the great artist steals.

    I can't recall how exactly that line went. Take a lucky guess on how some of these folks got famous They climbed on the shoulders of their peers, taking from them bit by bit.

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    ^“Good artists copy. Great artist steal.” -Pablo Picasso

    I think the whole appropriation movement is quite interesting actually (still trying to understand it and it's motivations, though). But yes, it's quite depressing to see the amount of rips and swipes out there :/

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    The thing with music is that there are only so many combinations of melodies that work and are pleasing to the human ear. In visual art, composition is a much more varied subject where it's much easier to spot a copy that an artist couldn't have arrived at on their own.

    It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who plays music that it's completely possible and highly probable to write a progression of notes that someone else has written. Also, musicians knowingly re-appropriate exiting melodies into new compositions all the time. We might as well start retroactively suing Led Zeppelin and every other rock band for ripping off obscure blues musicians, and arresting every techno musician who would dare use samples.

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    I dont think it's easier for musicians to do it at all. Especially not for this kind of work.
    If you'rte confined to what the genre wants, there are certain kinds of instruments and melodies that will work well. Just like if you're painting some fantasy MMO. Chances are characters will have sword and armor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interceptor View Post
    I dont think it's easier for musicians to do it at all. Especially not for this kind of work.
    If you'rte confined to what the genre wants, there are certain kinds of instruments and melodies that will work well. Just like if you're painting some fantasy MMO. Chances are characters will have sword and armor.
    You have to go out of your way to trace someone's drawing in order to copy it. As a musician you can literally come up with a melody note for note of someone's composition without ever having heard it before, purely by accident or by logical conclusion in song writing.

    This is a factual limitation in the amount of notes in the scales we use which our ears perceive as pleasing. The only exception to this rule is atonal music which is generally unpleasing to the ear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek the Usurper View Post
    You have to go out of your way to trace someone's drawing in order to copy it. As a musician you can literally come up with a melody note for note of someone's composition without ever having heard it before, purely by accident or by logical conclusion in song writing.

    This is a factual limitation in the amount of notes in the scales we use which our ears perceive as pleasing. The only exception to this rule is atonal music which is generally unpleasing to the ear.
    This is quite true. I don't even know where to begin searching for it (everything I searched for brought up digital ripping and whatnot), but I know there have been court cases of this very thing before.

    It's a recognized problem in the music industry that someone could legitimately recreate another person's music without ever having heard it. How it's handled, if at all, I wouldn't know.

    Kinda like the whole thing about if you have enough monkeys at typewriters for long enough that eventually you'll end up with a Shakespeare play. Except the vocabulary is limited to a series of notes and you're writing something more the length of a poem.

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