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    Industrial Apocalypse

    i dont read too many essays but i found this one compelling and interesting, its actually more of a debate than an essay between two viewpoints,

    http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/142051

    The writing is on the wall for industrial society, and no amount of ethical shopping or determined protesting is going to change that now. Take a civilisation built on the myth of human exceptionalism and a deeply embedded cultural attitude to "nature"; add a blind belief in technological and material progress; then fuel the whole thing with a power source that is discovered to be disastrously destructive only after we have used it to inflate our numbers and appetites beyond the point of no return. What do you get? We are starting to find out.

    i kind of like human exceptionalism, and i have a blind belif in my Wacom tablet.

    oh well , lets make some meaningful art while we still can Kidos.


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    Its the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

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    I think that's our nature. In the beginning the human race where a nomad race, we moved to a spot drained all of it's resources and them moved to somewhere else. Unfortunately now, we don't have nowhere else in this planet to go.
    I know that this sounds too much sci-fi, but I think that we need to find another "Earth" or soon (by soon I don't mean in this immediate future) our civilization WILL collapse, and we can't do nothing about it.
    In my point of view, we are a nomad virus, and we should accept it Just like turtles accept being turtles and wolves accept that they are wolves.

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    Humans should accept they are a nomad virus like a turtle accepts it is a turtle and a wolf accepts it is a wolf... okay... (I'm not trying to start a debate on whether we're a virus, just saying maybe try for a more logical train of thought ).

    Anyways, I believe in destiny to a certain degree. For example, my job requires that I climb up tall, often bent ladders, in the mud, on slopes (washing windows). It would be easy to fall off, but I don't worry about it because I'm going to become a professional artist, and if I took a 40 foot fall, I probably wouldn't be able to do that. That doesn't mean I'm not careful; one wrong move and my destiny could be out the window. I feel the same way towards the state of the environment. Sure, we could be treading dangerous territory in the far, far future, and it would be a good idea to try and set up a good foundation of safety while we can, but I feel that as long as we're careful, we do have a purpose that won't allow for an uninhabitable earth. It's a bit of a blind inclination, and has something to do with my belief in God, but that's just where I stand on the situtation. I know I probably sound like a whack-job for not believing in data and charts and graphs as reigning over all... but I just can't do that. Call it irresponsible, ignorant and/or selfish, but sometimes I feel that it's my place to draw what I see, and let the 'important' people decide on the important matters. With any luck, my visions inspired by the world our leaders create can someday inspire them in return, and their consequent visions can inspire me again.

    That said, it's a good read, and I like this bit a lot:
    And who wants it tamed anyway? Most people in the rich world won't be giving up their cars or holidays without a fight.

    ...As for saving the planet – what we are really trying to save, as we scrabble around planting turbines on mountains and shouting at ministers, is not the planet but our attachment to the western material culture, which we cannot imagine living without.
    EDIT: Haha, just reread my post and it probably looks like my second paragraph contradicts my first one to most of you... it actually doesn't though

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    I mostly agree with you, I'm not saying that "we're a virus, let's burn earth - hell yeah". In fact I think that we should be super-duper-careful here: if we kill the earth now we're in SERIOUS problem - just like a virus when it kills his victim before infecting another.

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    No one ever said we were a smart virus. Just an effective one.

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    ... and I'm back to "fuck hope"

    EDIT: something from The Dark Mountain Project's Manifesto;

    Mainstream art in the West has long been about shock; about busting taboos, about Getting Noticed. This has gone on for so long that it has become common to assert that in these ironic, exhausted, post-everything times, there are no taboos left to bust. But there is one.

    The last taboo is the myth of civilisation. It is built upon the stories we have constructed about our genius, our indestructibility, our manifest destiny as a chosen species. It is where our vision and our self-belief intertwine with our reckless refusal to face the reality of our position on this Earth. It has led the human race to achieve what it has achieved; and has led the planet into the age of ecocide. The two are intimately linked. We believe they must decoupled if anything is to remain.

    We believe that artists – which is to us the most welcoming of words, taking under its wing writers of all kinds, painters, musicians, sculptors, poets, designers, creators, makers of things, dreamers of dreams – have a responsibility to begin the process of decoupling. We believe that, in the age of ecocide, the last taboo must be broken – and that only artists can do it.


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    And yet, even in the face of the obvious fact that we can't accelarate forever, that someday we will reach a turn called "low resources" while being too fast to even imagine making it, still some people urge us to multiply and consume, consume and multiply. Cause it's "good for the economy".

    My take on it? Countries and regions who will be smart enough to develop economical plans, industrial designs for a more sustainable living on low resources as well as a smart ways to introduce it to their societies will be the winners.

    If there will be any winners.

    Or... the optimist are right and the priests of the new god - science, will "save us" from apocalypse by bringing salvation of new energy technologies. A "second coming" of sorts. Then we will again accelerate to the very limits of new possiblities and beyond.

    Unless we'll grow wiser, and learn how to teach whole societies to be wiser.
    Which doesn't seem likely.

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    If humans are on a massive ego trip about being the chosen species, then I think that everyone believing we are powerful enough to destroy the earth is just stroking it even more.

    "Astronomy offers an aesthetic indulgence not duplicated in any other field. This is not an academic or hypothetical attraction and should require no apologies, for the beauty to be found in the skies has been universally appreciated for unrecorded centuries."
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckWeisel View Post
    If humans are on a massive ego trip about being the chosen species, then I think that everyone believing we are powerful enough to destroy the earth is just stroking it even more.
    Heh, I've always thought that too. The only thing we're gonna destroy is ourselves, Earth will truck along just fine afterward. Seriously our planet in it's younger years was an anaerobic, hostile, vicious, murderous environment. When life began on our planet, the environment was hostile in ways we could only dream of matching. And yet life still grew.

    Anyhow, in recent years I've been feeling like we'll all be revisiting the population growth theories of Thomas Malthus. The only difference will be replacing food with fuel.

    I think the problem is less that we're living it up too well as it is that there's just too damn many of us. We need less environmentally conscious shopping and more condoms. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anid Maro View Post
    We need less environmentally conscious shopping and more condoms.
    Exactly.

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    My two cents .........

    There are four* monumental threats facing humanity during this very generation, and all four together point to the imminent (as in ten years or less) downward spiral of modern civilization into the convulsive throes of a relentless and irreversible demise. The severity of the demise will (as soon as it begins, in ten years or less) cause millions of people to die, resulting in severe attrition to our entire global population. Currenly at 6 billion, we will likely be reduced to well less than 2 billion in a mere 50 years. It will not be an easy transition. It will be VERY messy. The civilization-wide convulsions will last for several agonizing decades. And there is no stopping it.

    No, I'm not exaggerating.

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    Seriously though ... here are those *Four monumental threats:

    1) Peak Oil
    2) Climate Change
    3) Food and Water Scarcity
    4) Rampant Pollution

    Each by itself would be able to deal a nasty blow to this planet. But all four together are the Perfect Storm capable of bringing down our entire civilization in less than a generation. For anyone here who doubts the very existence of only one or two of those four threats I have itemized, even if you choose to disregard just one or two, there's still the other two or three on the list lurking around the corner ready to pounce upon the human race with a big nasty mallet of reality. And if anyone here doubts the existence of all four, then I guess there's no arguing with you. (But hey, I did my best here today, right? )

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    I think we realised some time ago that we are not so significant to the fate of "life on earth" as much as we think. It's not about "poor cute pandas" anymore. It's our own ass getting hurt we're talking about.

    And I second the condoms.

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