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    Post Apocalyptic WIP [update 8/28] finished?

    okay, so this is my new project and its going pretty smoothly. I need some input on what i should have in the background. And ofcourse any crits regarded what i have so far is much appreciated to.

    I wanted to show a brighter/happier side of the whole post apocaylptic genre. Let me know how it itranslates and how i can improve it please

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    I would go for more junk in the middle ground.

    It seems that there are repeating things in your piece (like the holes in his clothes which seem the same, and the metal bars twisting the same way), I would personally avoid that, unless I really wanted to make a point of it.

    I would advise you to watch your edges, they seem too soft at times.
    Check the perspective of the concrete block, it seems off here and there.

    As a general rule, try to have most of your picture's forms painted in a blur right form from the start, this will save you the composition problems (like trying to find things that will "fit in") and achieve a better composition overall.

    Great job on the sky, clothes and helmet.

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    Why does the man need a gas mask, but not the dog?

    Speaking of the gas mask, you've done a lovely job with its texture and lighting.

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    brewin-thanks for the tips ill definately give a variety to the metal bends and the holes. also ill sharpen up edges.

    ataxes- I was originally going to put a mask on the dog, but i think his his gives a more light hearted mood to the painting...plus i dont think a human gas mask would fit on a dog? Ill play with it

    thanks guys. Keep em coming!

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    for a brighter happier post apoc. world . maybe add a subtle sprig or 2 of a new plant popping up in some junky car?idk. cool idea though, ive never herd of a happy post apoc. world . and the dog has nanotech respirator technology in the scarf. problem solved! 8D

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    Fore ground is too blurry and the back ground is crisp should be other way around. Happy dudes shirt folds need some work, folds are tough maybe search for some reference. my biggest complaint is the light source is off, all your forground elements are bright when the light is behind the subject. consider creating a silohte effect with the debri in the botom left area. this should frame your image nicely (google Frank Frezetta, dude was the master at showing you somthing dynamic thru siloets) Colors are bad ass!! keep it up

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    W.Rowland-yuss finally someone relized the dog has nano-tech on him! haha. But the plant idea is an awesome idea. Thanks!

    jcowan-thanks for the tips. Frank Frazetta has some crazy stuff. I will play with the lighting.

    Ill see if i can get an update up soon

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    But in all seriousness, the website I ref'd has a whole page of these things, if you actually want to look into the "dog in a gas mask" idea. Most of them have large clear faceplates, too, so it might not be too hard to show that the dog is happy.

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    o___o i never knew they had dog masks...thats weird. Well Ill try it out. thanks

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    Yay, I'm glad I could help!

    By the way, please don't think I'm trying to pressure you into making such a big change. I'm trying to be helpful to people but I don't feel established enough in the forum to make crits on the execution, so I'm trying to help by mentioning my own questions about the internal logic of the pieces.

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    no not at all. Im glad you asked questions it makes it more believable for the viewers when its done.

    Just blobbed out the basic shape of the mask and it looks awesome (thank god for the clear one ;D) Thanks!!

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    Happy? Post-apocalyptic? K-brrrrrrrzzt does not compute does not compute

    Kidding, of course. I love the idea here, and you've done a good job of rendering things at the moment.
    To me, though, it still feels kind of sad-ish, even with the bright colors and non-threatening things. The scenario is still distinctly doom-y, if that's a word; destroyed block of concrete, twisted metal, wide expanse of dead earth, seemingly empty city. People are definitely not going to be happy right after the world ends, so I think the key to the mood is to make it seem as if lots of time has passed, and the world has started to rebuild. Plants, as Rowland said, would help, as would some aging on the destroyed elements and perhaps some newer-looking construct (A fence made of scrap, maybe? Or a battered welcoming sign?). The way the picture is right now you could probably get away with hanging some charms or stickers on the bent rebars. Generally, have some more signs of human life, as the character here looks pretty much alone except for his dog.

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    Tangleworm- Yes! thanks a lot. so many ideas are coming to me now


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    Hey Europton
    I'm going to touch on a few subjects, just take it as you will. First, get some good reference for what you are trying to accomplish (ie, character, props, environment). Get a friend to sit in that pose with similar clothing and get some good reference shots. Hope on the Google and get some decent gas mask references (right now, I can't see how it can possibly function as a gas mask). As far as your environment goes, check out some apocalyptic movies (T4 is worth checking out). Watch your forms, I struggle with them too, but just break things down into their basic shapes and work from there. Right now some things feel flat or incorrect. Work your edges to help with that too. Watch your anatomy, as the right arm feels like a cylinder right now, as opposed to groups of muscles.

    Its off to a good start, just keep on working at it.

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    Hm....the background is absolutely amazing, don't touch that.

    Personally, I think you need some action between the main characters and the city- some decent middle-image figures or colors or...anything really. I'd also say that the figures up front need more texture: even the dog looks polished, at the moment. Speaking of, his face seems really wide, but it could just be my imagination...

    I'm also slightly confused over the boy's missing hand.

    Beautiful lightning and colors choice though- really well done and it'll look even better when it's done I'm certain. :d

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    Cool, look at how other artists you admire use LINE. It separate space in a way that you piece is weak on. It holds things in. Look at Picasso, his lines are 2 inches thick but it's easy to see what he's doing.

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    Psychotrope-thanks for the tips! yeah I just havent painted the hand yet haha

    markwagner- are you saying i should have sharper edges? if not, please explain

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    this is just an idea, less of a crit, but to get the whole optimistic-apocalyptic idea across (even more than you already are) I would add some green/life into the piece. maybe a tree growing in the distance, some vines on the buildings in the city or a little flower in the foreground. some sign of life might give a sense of happy/optimism to top off the painting.

    i like the idea and execution though. looks good so far.

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    Alright. update time. So i added a gas mask on the dog, changed the gas mask of the kid into something more realistic, added some vegetation/graffiti, a sign and some junk. and misc. other things. Im still not done adding vegitation nor am i done with the junk. do you think the photo doesnt belong? im not the best at mattepainting yet and im not sure if it is too sharp for the rest of the image. maybe im just being lazy.. also, does his hand look odd to you?


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    The hand does look a little flat but you can round it out easily. I don't think you should take the photo out. It looks good. It might be better integrated if you really push the detail on the boy and the dog, though.

    I should mention that I think the lettering on the sign would look better if you hand-drew it. Right now it looks like a typeface, especially because the sign is so worn and the lettering so perfect.

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    This is a great piece! It's really looking good. My critics are just about the boy's arm anatomy, take a look at some reference, right now it's not looking very right to me. Here, maybe this can be useful:


    Ps: Take extra-care with the arm silhouette! (and sorry the image is a little big =/)

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    ataxas-hand drawn sign is a good idea I kinda like the losseness of the kid and his dog, so i think ill keep that.

    thesaint-thanks alot! this will definately help!

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    things just look a little to shiny and soft. Rough things up a bit

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    That pile of junk to the right seems out of place. Perhaps, add some more in the mid ground. The kind of detail on the junk should actually be on the boy and dog.

    Its looking great! keep on painting!

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    alright, well i havent had the chance of working on this for a while, but i finally got a chance today. I think this piece has dragged on long enough. Any last minute crits before i call this "finished"?

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    Looks ALOT better now than it did on your first version. Thumbs up That hand could still need some work though

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    thanks man, illl keep working at it

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