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    Hi all!

    I've decided to keep a sketchbook for myself to monitor my own progress. I've serious problems with drawing and can proudly boast that I got the worst results among my art class when I was a teen eons ago (partly due to laziness).

    Now I'm trying hard and learning to draw in the hope that before I die decades from now, I can at least draw a recognizable sketch of a human face.

    As some of you may know, I'm now at chapter 5 (or 6) of Betty Edwards' book and is currently learning contour drawing (that is, drawing and outlines of subjects etc.).


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    Attached is one of my drawing I did. Now, I would be happy if anyone is able to recognize what it is (no, it's not a military tank).

    It took me nearly 3 bloody hours just to come up with this piece of arse and I must admit I kinda got frustrated during the process.

    As you can see, the left side of the subject is drawn wrongly (too slanted).

    Overall, although I can personally see what it is (since I drew it), I must say I'm not happy at all with the results.

    I was intending to draw a very exact and accurate line art version of the subject.

    The bending parts of this subject (the area around and below the screws) are particularly hard to draw even when I close one eye.
    Pls critique if possible, on the proportions, line, sketch quality, angle, anything.

    And I've no ego, so feel free to abuse my drawings if you've a bad day.

    Thanks!
    Xeon

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    looks like a hole-puncher to me...

    please tell me im right!

    im really not sure...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WRappiii View Post
    looks like a hole-puncher to me...

    please tell me im right!

    im really not sure...
    LOL, you get no prizes for guessing right!

    I'll be uploading more drawings here maybe tomorrow.
    Seriously, I feel like deleting this thread away when I look at everyone else's sketchbooks and mine is like absolute shit!!!! I must applaude myself for even having the guts to start this crap.

    I wish CA has some way to let us set our threads as private so only I get to see it.

    Good day!
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    If you want a private sketchbook, then why make a thread?

    When I started my sketchbook, I was really scared and embarrassed even. But that temporary courage turned out to work in my favor and I feel more motivated than ever to work on my weaknesses. Seeing so much great art makes me want to work even harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJacks View Post
    If you want a private sketchbook, then why make a thread?
    Thanks! Well, starting a sketchbook and then keep it private will let me keep track of my drawings and yet no one can see it. Like a private blog, if you will.

    Anyway, thanks for your comments.

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    I'm guessing it's a hole puncher as well. I'm expecting my £100 in the mail lol.

    You shouldn't feel intimidated by anyone else's sketchbooks. No one is perfect and that's the reason we're all posting them up.
    Getting a little criticism won't take away from you current skills and abilities at all, but it will allow you to grow from your current state.

    You should upload more ^_^

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    Xeon, keep at it. By the sound of you talking about the way you draw you seem faaar too worried about the outcome of each and every individual drawing. Embrace the fact that you're learning and instead of seeing each drawing as a finished piece which should be aimed at perfection, see them each as a step (no matter how big) towards improved drawing. Don't be embarrassed about your sketchbook, I feel the same way about mine (so much so I removed the link to it from my sig until I have some stuff I'm proud of in there), there are so many amazing artists here on CA that it can feel quite demoralising at times. But you need to realise that those people got good through hard work and time spent drawing and if you're prepared to do the same there's no reason why you can't be as good as anyone on this site.

    Now that all sounds very idealistic I know, I'm struggling with the whole idea myself but that's part of the challenge, if it was easy it wouldn't be satisfying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJacks View Post
    If you want a private sketchbook, then why make a thread?

    When I started my sketchbook, I was really scared and embarrassed even. But that temporary courage turned out to work in my favor and I feel more motivated than ever to work on my weaknesses. Seeing so much great art makes me want to work even harder.
    Hello JJacks, you have a nice attitude. Maintaining Sketchbook is really a good thought. Keep on continuing with this art.

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    You are saying you are not improving but that's wrong. A lot of these are better than ones you did before, but that sewing machine in particular looks very nice! You've already done more studies from life than I did in two years. Maybe I've been too obsessed with anatomy studies...

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    Thanks for your replies, Silwynar, Mpdpsy, Taneli and williammartina

    Quote Originally Posted by Taneli View Post
    You are saying you are not improving but that's wrong. A lot of these are better than ones you did before, but that sewing machine in particular looks very nice! You've already done more studies from life than I did in two years. Maybe I've been too obsessed with anatomy studies...
    LOL, I'm taking your advice and not gonna move on to rendering until my construction is better.

    Currently, though, my drawings are a bit inconsistent, in that sometimes, it's good, and sometimes it sucks. I hope one day, everything I draw will be good.
    Honestly, I don't really see that much improvement in my drawings since the last time I posted. Maybe I'm just immune to it.

    Anyway Taneli, I find that you don't update your SB much nowadays! Last year, it was pretty active, with plenty of sketches, but now, it's slow. And others like Helaine and Alucid have stopped updating their SB altogether.
    I learn a lot of all your SBs than I can learn from old masters' paintings (I don't even understand those paintings).

    There's a portrait drawing session this weekend, and hopefully, I will be able to scan in the new batch of drawings next Sat or so.

    See you all,
    Xeon

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    Hey Xeon_OND,

    I think yer now ready to do the customary couple dozen pages of Bridgman studies to prep yourself for "life drawing" where you learn that drawing the nude human figure "in situ" is pretty damn hard!

    In all due respect,

    Very Best Regards,

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    Hey, you should feel embarrassed about display your artwork. The more comments and crits that you get the better get at it. I like when people give me feed on my stuff really helps me instead of those who just says this is good and all. You came to conceptart for a reason and that reason is to improve you artwork. Keep the thread and keep going at it. Never give up and don't feel embarrassed. Every great artist started somewhere. I'm going to save your thread in my favorites and expects more drawings on here from me comment on. So everyone in CA community can help on endeavor of becoming an artist. And I been there and felt the way you felt many time before.

    You can do it!!!!!!

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    Hi guys! Sorry that it's been some time since I update this but I was kinda busy last week.

    Many thanks to everyone here for your kind words. Every freaking time I come to CA, I always feel a bit like sobbing as I'm so touched.

    Below are scans of my work done last week and the week before, together with my comments.
    There's "words" on the drawing paper cos' it's recycled paper at the back and the scanner can pick that up too.

    The key below is supposed to "go back" and extend away from the viewer into space, but it looks like it's floating in thin air no matter how I draw. I think I may need to draw a table to "give it context".
    One Nice Day


    The line quality of the paper clips is TRASH. The stapler is my first version.
    One Nice Day


    The stapler (2nd version) looks better now:
    One Nice Day


    The object at the upper-left is a tiny souvenir. The head is kinda off, though. Curves are very hard to estimate and draw!!!! Shit it.
    One Nice Day


    And the contour drawing of my hand below. I think it's recognizable, though the anatomy and parts of it is wrong. I didn't draw this myself, though. I used the plastic viewfinder to help me in gauging the proportions etc (as per Betty Edwards' exercise in her book). Spent 1.5+ hours or so on this.
    One Nice Day


    Another contour drawing of the hand. As you can see, some fingers look a bit fat and off, and the finger that's touching the thumb is too obese.
    One Nice Day


    My 1st perspective drawing of a corner of my room. Took nearly 4 hours to do it as the sighting of proportions and angles is MIND-BOGGLING and a bit stressful. I keep closing one eye and my left eye was kinda tired yesterday. I wanted to draw a bit more but I started out too large and paper has no space left.
    If you can identify what these stuff are easily, maybe I could consider giving you a virtual kiss. LOL
    One Nice Day

    Feel free to critique! My line quality is crappy, btw.

    My conclusion: Drawing is addictive and now I really like it though my art truly sucks. I'm gonna work hard at it and I've come to a point where I'm not gonna give up ever and my resolution is set and sealed in stone.

    I'm gonna do more practice on more subjects. It might be some time before I update this thread here again.

    Best wishes!!!
    Xeon

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    Hi Xeon

    I know you're working from Betty's book, but try this: Try to visualize the vanishing points of everything you're drawing.

    The horizon line is simply your "eye level" line. Whatever it is you're drawing can be drawn in perspective. If it's a squarish shape, like the hole punch, so much the easier for you. Perspective is just a tool to help you make these drawings from observation easier to do.

    You're allowed to use tools like that, even though you're trying to draw a contour.

    Also, try not to "finish up" lines too early. You'll have to catch yourself and STOP yourself when you just go in and slap a line in there to "finish" the shape. Make sure you carefully observe each and every time.

    Hope that helps ya. Keep working!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeon_OND View Post
    Hi guys! Sorry that it's been some time since I update this but I was kinda busy last week.

    Many thanks to everyone here for your kind words. Every freaking time I come to CA, I always feel a bit like sobbing as I'm so touched.

    Below are scans of my work done last week and the week before, together with my comments.
    There's "words" on the drawing paper cos' it's recycled paper at the back and the scanner can pick that up too.

    The key below is supposed to "go back" and extend away from the viewer into space, but it looks like it's floating in thin air no matter how I draw. I think I may need to draw a table to "give it context".
    One Nice Day


    The line quality of the paper clips is TRASH. The stapler is my first version.
    One Nice Day


    The stapler (2nd version) looks better now:
    One Nice Day


    The object at the upper-left is a tiny souvenir. The head is kinda off, though. Curves are very hard to estimate and draw!!!! Shit it.
    One Nice Day


    And the contour drawing of my hand below. I think it's recognizable, though the anatomy and parts of it is wrong. I didn't draw this myself, though. I used the plastic viewfinder to help me in gauging the proportions etc (as per Betty Edwards' exercise in her book). Spent 1.5+ hours or so on this.
    One Nice Day


    Another contour drawing of the hand. As you can see, some fingers look a bit fat and off, and the finger that's touching the thumb is too obese.
    One Nice Day


    My 1st perspective drawing of a corner of my room. Took nearly 4 hours to do it as the sighting of proportions and angles is MIND-BOGGLING and a bit stressful. I keep closing one eye and my left eye was kinda tired yesterday. I wanted to draw a bit more but I started out too large and paper has no space left.
    If you can identify what these stuff are easily, maybe I could consider giving you a virtual kiss. LOL
    One Nice Day

    Feel free to critique! My line quality is crappy, btw.

    My conclusion: Drawing is addictive and now I really like it though my art truly sucks. I'm gonna work hard at it and I've come to a point where I'm not gonna give up ever and my resolution is set and sealed in stone.

    I'm gonna do more practice on more subjects. It might be some time before I update this thread here again.

    Best wishes!!!
    Xeon

    Great Xeon... You have got realization on your career. I congratulate you on your success towards your improvement in drawing... Go ahead with this kind of commitment, success will be yours... By the way your drawings are so nice... I like waterfalls and flowers very much. Can i expect those types of paintings from you????

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    Quote Originally Posted by williammartina View Post
    Great Xeon... You have got realization on your career. I congratulate you on your success towards your improvement in drawing... Go ahead with this kind of commitment, success will be yours... By the way your drawings are so nice... I like waterfalls and flowers very much. Can i expect those types of paintings from you????
    LOL, you're praising me so much that you sound like a bot. On my blog, there's several bots every day posting comments that look as if they're generated by a database.

    Anyway, thanks!

    From TasSmith:
    Second, there's no hierarchy of shadow. You shade one point very hard, like the thumb/palm, or one finger tip, while the rest of the hand is blank.
    LOL, that was more like line quality. Because of the re-statements etc., I use dark thick bold lines to heavily go over it and in the end, a couple of the fingers (usually the thumb or the pinkie finger) looks dark.

    Your hand's covered by the same skin, and mostly the same color, so try to make the shading more even. Unless you're right in front of a lamp, there's not going to be so much contrast.
    Ha ha, maybe I exaggerated too much! I don't really render or shade most of the hands, but I do emphasize on line quality.
    Say, if the pinkie finger is far away, or if the middle finger is going away from me, I make them lighter. If the thumb is pressed onto other fingers, or if the fingers are coming towards me, I totally bold out the lines.

    I guess I gotta make it milder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike butkus View Post
    You have passion, and that is incredibly important, but you need a formal education or at least a mentor, preferably someone who can draw and paint. If you really want to become a truly good artist you need direction, commitment and focus, you already have the passion, all you need now is a very patient and knowledgeable instructor to help guide you through the steps to becoming a competent artist, that being said, i do think you have the potential to become a truly wonderful artist.
    Thanks Mike! Yeah, sometimes I thought about how awesome it would be if there's a teacher to guide me along and pointing out the mistakes, otherwise it's hard to improve by learning yourself (Marko Djujveic is an exception).

    Which is why once my crappy graphic design course ends this year, I'll be taking up part-time night classes in basic fine arts, where they've life sessions, teachers, resources and other students' references to learn from.
    So, if there's gonna be any major improvement, it's gonna be next year.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dy.laneA View Post
    You are comeing along Xeon! You are not giveing up its very awesome to see =) You will be drawing really amazeing portraits from your mind. Maybe next year, maybe 10 years. Just at the basics.
    LOL, 10 years? I would be a geezer by then, but it's ok.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kamber Parrk View Post
    You should start doing some master copies-- library books-- Leonardo, Durer, Rubens-- like easier "target practice" to prep you for your next life session.
    LOL, that seems to be a little beyond my level now!

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki. View Post
    One thing that helps me is to draw other peoples drawings or paintings, really trying to get a good feel for the form and imagine the construction process, I think this would benifit you too. If you get some catalougs from art dealers, they have oodles of high res reference to draw from, and plenty of portraits, which you say are your passion
    I visited this website (www.draw23.com), and in their portrait section, they mention about using head casts when you're learning to draw portraits, due to it being easier and you can take your time. I'm thinking of trying that, and maybe also copy portraits from high-res photos.

    There's a lot to learn in art, though. Perspective, construction, rendering, accuracy etc....and each of these is like require 10 years to be proficient at them.

    I'll be watching
    Yo, you too. Time to spam your own SB with sketches. I remember you're a student, so all the more there's no excuses to draw any lesser.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zazerzs View Post
    Nice job on the objects, may I suggest that you draw through your objects.
    Thanks Zazerzs! That's what I'm looking into now (to think + draw 3D). I'll probably start out with simple subjects and slowly proceed from there. Some, like water bottles and cylinders, are easy, but stuff like shoes and fingers or bags are totally challenging.

    P Sage is doing this stuff now in his SB, take a look at how he is constructing the bottles. http://conceptart.org/forums/showthr...165861&page=19
    I'll check that out. The last I read his SB, he was still on that 1000-page gesture challenge. If there's anyone who's insanely in love with drawing figures, it's him.

    Did you ever pick up the Barnstone Dvd's? just wondering
    Nah, not yet. After spending a thousand bucks on the A3 scanner and the recent 2 books, my heart aches.
    I'll buy his DVDs end of the year after I got my bonus.

    I've seen his youtube vids (under 2 mins each) and it was enlightening as hell, so imagine what his DVDs can do.
    I also heard he has sent the 1st draft of his book to the editor, so if it's true, then his drawing book may well be the One we're waiting for.

    As always! Let's all work hard together. I want to buy and learn from Sheldon's figurative DVDs in the near future, so I gotta be proficient at drawing geometric shapes from any angle, in order to understand his stuff.

    Good day!
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    wow, so much work , keep on working so hard (or more if you can) , I can already see lot of improvements.

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    So much Work. My Eyes....

    Hey,
    do you want to know which part of your SB does pay attention?
    Simply, everything because there is ssooooooo much work to regard and to rate...it is a paradise.
    I have seen that you like to draw hands. Do you draw them by heart or did you use a book or your own hands? Hands are really hard to draw like almost every part of human's body. Where did you get this time to draw all this picture?
    I am really fascinated, I mean if you are posting a new contribution then everyone could take hours of regarding you site.

    I hope you understand everything of that what I said. I ask this because of my english which is little good as anyone else's here.

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    if i ever start up a sketchbook you can come check it out and im sure itll
    make you feel better about yourself!

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    Thanks for the advice, P Sage!

    Quote Originally Posted by WRappiii View Post
    if i ever start up a sketchbook you can come check it out and im sure itll
    make you feel better about yourself!
    Oh yeah, thanks for the kind words, although seriously, considering that I'm already the worst artist in CA then and now, I would be impressed if there is an artist worst than me. And I'm not kidding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeon_OND View Post
    Thanks for the advice, P Sage!


    Oh yeah, thanks for the kind words, although seriously, considering that I'm already the worst artist in CA then and now, I would be impressed if there is an artist worst than me. And I'm not kidding.
    One thing I've noticed is that you're always saying your lines suck or you're the worst artist or things that are negative. Biggest piece of advice I can give you is to stop thinking negatively. I used to go on deviantart and see some drawing and pieces on there and it made me feel so crappy... like I could never do things like that. But in reality I was my own worst enemy. If you think positively and just tell yourself "i'm not there yet but I WILL get there." it will help you more than anything else. Have faith in yourself and rather than saying they're crappy, mark what you don't like and next time fix it! It's all about gradual improvements.

    Example... your fist stapler the perspective is off. The second one is much closer. You can see an improvement even between the two. So just keep it up and STOP saying negative things.

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    I definitely agree with Ardescoere, man, you should stop putting yourself down. There is no point in telling yourself (or anyone else) that you suck over and over again and making that your mantra, that's not working towards anything but your own demise as an artist and a person. It's a good thing to recognize ones own shortcomings and being able to spot your own mistakes, but be glad that you have this ability and use it to better yourself. Analyze your drawings when they don't come out the way you want them to, find out why and give it another go trying to avoid making the same mistake again.

    I am a beginner myself, and the best thing I've done for my own advancement was to stop letting my failures bum me out. Just put the pen to the paper and draw, failed attempts are a part of the learning process and they are nothing to be upset about. I used to get really disheartened when I made a bad drawing, and it even stopped me from practicing for a very long time because I was afraid of failing even before I drew the first line - in hindsight this seems ridiculous and I regret that I didn't realize it sooner, but I think it's common for beginners.



    My sketchbook is bigger than yours.
    (not really)

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    Thanks folks! I'll stop saying such negative things from now.

    Btw, Andre and Crass, you two have any sketchbooks? Don't seem to see it in your sigs.

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    How about some ideas for drawing exercises? I hated them to death when I did them but they helped so very much.

    Exercise 1: Copy part of a photograph or painting, zoomed in so you can't tell what the subject is anymore just by looking at it. This will help you see shapes, colour and value, rather than "an arm" or "a face" or "a stapler".

    Exercise 2: Turn an abstract painting upside-down and try to capture it in one line.

    Exercise 3: Draw an object from one angle, then turn it and draw it again, over the top of the first drawing. This might help you see how objects change with viewpoint.

    All the best! Keep going and don't put yourself down.

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    Less talk more draw everyone. Less "self help" advice more "art help".

    Some ideas on vanishing points: they are needed to organize simple planar structures in space. Simple planar structures tend to be arranged perpendicularly, so you only need a few vanishing points.
    Complex bodies like the human body, or any other organic body, literally have infinite vanishing points. Therefore, in a sense, they have no vanishing points.

    The human body can't be drawn using the measuring techniques used for machines and buildings. And even when sketching buildings the vanishing points don't have to be accurate, that's why isometric projection has a spatial effect even though it doesn't use vanishing points.
    This tells us that what's important, among many other important things, is that we should put our attention on the object before us and it's surfaces rather than a non-existant vanishing point.

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    Hey guys! And hi Armando, thanks for your advice on perspective.

    Btw, I just got Jack Hamm's "Drawing the Head and Figure" after seeing how it got 4.5 / 5 stars at Amazon.com, outta 65 reviews, which is an amazing score.

    This would be a good book to start, after which I'll go on to a more advanced book, like Loomis's "Figure drawing for all it's worth".

    Now at page 1 of Jack's book, which shows how to make very basic female heads using 6 steps.

    There's a lot of great art at CA and it doesn't hurt to view crappy art now and then:

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    As you can see, they're trashy, but I'll be learning on the more accurate proportions in later pages of the book (page 2 onwards).

    Although these heads look as if they're created by a 3-year old toddler, I enjoy drawing them.

    As you can see, I any-how-oh shade in the hair.

    I try to make the heads look more feminine by drawing the head longer and the chin sharper, but it doesn't look quite right. Looks like she-males to me.

    If anyone has tips or comments on any of my heads, pls let me know so that it can speed up my progress.

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    those definitely look like a lot of Jack Hamm heads. LOL.


    Try doing some 3/4 shots as well as some profiles, some from below, some from above, etc.

    In this way you'll come to understand the head as a whole and not just from the front perspective.


    Good work tho. Keep going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p sage View Post
    those definitely look like a lot of Jack Hamm heads. LOL.

    Try doing some 3/4 shots as well as some profiles, some from below, some from above, etc.

    In this way you'll come to understand the head as a whole and not just from the front perspective.

    Good work tho. Keep going.
    LOL, well thanks, P Sage! I will work hard on learning the head and the next time I post here, hopefully I'll have some decent looking faces and heads.

    These heads I've drawn so far look like faeces, not faces.

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    You're drawing the same formless head, clearly from imagination, over and over. Stop it. That's not what a head looks like, that's not what eyes look like, and that's certainly not what a nose looks like. Go grab an anatomy book and study the major forms that make up a head. Draw from life and photo reference. Go grab a mirror and do some self portraits. Not just one, do twenty five of them. And no more churning out line drawings of cartoon heads. You're gonna have to learn to draw REAL heads before you get to those.

    Let's see some head studies, proportions and anatomy especially. More importantly, let's see some RENDERINGS, from life and photo reference, no more cartoons. Hope to see some of this stuff from you soon.

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