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August 18th, 2009 #1
One Nice Day
I've decided to keep a sketchbook for myself to monitor my own progress. I've serious problems with drawing and can proudly boast that I got the worst results among my art class when I was a teen eons ago (partly due to laziness).
Now I'm trying hard and learning to draw in the hope that before I die decades from now, I can at least draw a recognizable sketch of a human face.
As some of you may know, I'm now at chapter 5 (or 6) of Betty Edwards' book and is currently learning contour drawing (that is, drawing and outlines of subjects etc.).
Attached is one of my drawing I did. Now, I would be happy if anyone is able to recognize what it is (no, it's not a military tank).
It took me nearly 3 bloody hours just to come up with this piece of arse and I must admit I kinda got frustrated during the process.
As you can see, the left side of the subject is drawn wrongly (too slanted).
Overall, although I can personally see what it is (since I drew it), I must say I'm not happy at all with the results.
I was intending to draw a very exact and accurate line art version of the subject.
The bending parts of this subject (the area around and below the screws) are particularly hard to draw even when I close one eye.
Pls critique if possible, on the proportions, line, sketch quality, angle, anything.
And I've no ego, so feel free to abuse my drawings if you've a bad day.
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August 18th, 2009 #2
looks like a hole-puncher to me...
please tell me im right!
im really not sure...
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August 18th, 2009 #3
I'll be uploading more drawings here maybe tomorrow.
Seriously, I feel like deleting this thread away when I look at everyone else's sketchbooks and mine is like absolute shit!!!! I must applaude myself for even having the guts to start this crap.
I wish CA has some way to let us set our threads as private so only I get to see it.
August 19th, 2009 #4
If you want a private sketchbook, then why make a thread?
When I started my sketchbook, I was really scared and embarrassed even. But that temporary courage turned out to work in my favor and I feel more motivated than ever to work on my weaknesses. Seeing so much great art makes me want to work even harder.
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August 19th, 2009 #5
August 19th, 2009 #6
I'm guessing it's a hole puncher as well. I'm expecting my £100 in the mail lol.
You shouldn't feel intimidated by anyone else's sketchbooks. No one is perfect and that's the reason we're all posting them up.
Getting a little criticism won't take away from you current skills and abilities at all, but it will allow you to grow from your current state.
You should upload more ^_^
August 19th, 2009 #7
Xeon, keep at it. By the sound of you talking about the way you draw you seem faaar too worried about the outcome of each and every individual drawing. Embrace the fact that you're learning and instead of seeing each drawing as a finished piece which should be aimed at perfection, see them each as a step (no matter how big) towards improved drawing. Don't be embarrassed about your sketchbook, I feel the same way about mine (so much so I removed the link to it from my sig until I have some stuff I'm proud of in there), there are so many amazing artists here on CA that it can feel quite demoralising at times. But you need to realise that those people got good through hard work and time spent drawing and if you're prepared to do the same there's no reason why you can't be as good as anyone on this site.
Now that all sounds very idealistic I know, I'm struggling with the whole idea myself but that's part of the challenge, if it was easy it wouldn't be satisfying.
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February 2nd, 2010 #9
You are saying you are not improving but that's wrong. A lot of these are better than ones you did before, but that sewing machine in particular looks very nice! You've already done more studies from life than I did in two years. Maybe I've been too obsessed with anatomy studies...
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February 2nd, 2010 #10
Thanks for your replies, Silwynar, Mpdpsy, Taneli and williammartina
Currently, though, my drawings are a bit inconsistent, in that sometimes, it's good, and sometimes it sucks. I hope one day, everything I draw will be good.
Honestly, I don't really see that much improvement in my drawings since the last time I posted. Maybe I'm just immune to it.
Anyway Taneli, I find that you don't update your SB much nowadays! Last year, it was pretty active, with plenty of sketches, but now, it's slow. And others like Helaine and Alucid have stopped updating their SB altogether.
I learn a lot of all your SBs than I can learn from old masters' paintings (I don't even understand those paintings).
There's a portrait drawing session this weekend, and hopefully, I will be able to scan in the new batch of drawings next Sat or so.
See you all,
February 3rd, 2010 #11
I think yer now ready to do the customary couple dozen pages of Bridgman studies to prep yourself for "life drawing" where you learn that drawing the nude human figure "in situ" is pretty damn hard!
In all due respect,
Very Best Regards,
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Hey, you should feel embarrassed about display your artwork. The more comments and crits that you get the better get at it. I like when people give me feed on my stuff really helps me instead of those who just says this is good and all. You came to conceptart for a reason and that reason is to improve you artwork. Keep the thread and keep going at it. Never give up and don't feel embarrassed. Every great artist started somewhere. I'm going to save your thread in my favorites and expects more drawings on here from me comment on. So everyone in CA community can help on endeavor of becoming an artist. And I been there and felt the way you felt many time before.
You can do it!!!!!!
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August 23rd, 2009 #13
Hi guys! Sorry that it's been some time since I update this but I was kinda busy last week.
Many thanks to everyone here for your kind words. Every freaking time I come to CA, I always feel a bit like sobbing as I'm so touched.
Below are scans of my work done last week and the week before, together with my comments.
There's "words" on the drawing paper cos' it's recycled paper at the back and the scanner can pick that up too.
The key below is supposed to "go back" and extend away from the viewer into space, but it looks like it's floating in thin air no matter how I draw. I think I may need to draw a table to "give it context".
The line quality of the paper clips is TRASH. The stapler is my first version.
The stapler (2nd version) looks better now:
The object at the upper-left is a tiny souvenir. The head is kinda off, though. Curves are very hard to estimate and draw!!!! Shit it.
And the contour drawing of my hand below. I think it's recognizable, though the anatomy and parts of it is wrong. I didn't draw this myself, though. I used the plastic viewfinder to help me in gauging the proportions etc (as per Betty Edwards' exercise in her book). Spent 1.5+ hours or so on this.
Another contour drawing of the hand. As you can see, some fingers look a bit fat and off, and the finger that's touching the thumb is too obese.
My 1st perspective drawing of a corner of my room. Took nearly 4 hours to do it as the sighting of proportions and angles is MIND-BOGGLING and a bit stressful. I keep closing one eye and my left eye was kinda tired yesterday. I wanted to draw a bit more but I started out too large and paper has no space left.
If you can identify what these stuff are easily, maybe I could consider giving you a virtual kiss. LOL
Feel free to critique! My line quality is crappy, btw.
My conclusion: Drawing is addictive and now I really like it though my art truly sucks. I'm gonna work hard at it and I've come to a point where I'm not gonna give up ever and my resolution is set and sealed in stone.
I'm gonna do more practice on more subjects. It might be some time before I update this thread here again.
August 24th, 2009 #14
I know you're working from Betty's book, but try this: Try to visualize the vanishing points of everything you're drawing.
The horizon line is simply your "eye level" line. Whatever it is you're drawing can be drawn in perspective. If it's a squarish shape, like the hole punch, so much the easier for you. Perspective is just a tool to help you make these drawings from observation easier to do.
You're allowed to use tools like that, even though you're trying to draw a contour.
Also, try not to "finish up" lines too early. You'll have to catch yourself and STOP yourself when you just go in and slap a line in there to "finish" the shape. Make sure you carefully observe each and every time.
Hope that helps ya. Keep working!
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Great Xeon... You have got realization on your career. I congratulate you on your success towards your improvement in drawing... Go ahead with this kind of commitment, success will be yours... By the way your drawings are so nice... I like waterfalls and flowers very much. Can i expect those types of paintings from you????
February 12th, 2010 #16
Second, there's no hierarchy of shadow. You shade one point very hard, like the thumb/palm, or one finger tip, while the rest of the hand is blank.
Your hand's covered by the same skin, and mostly the same color, so try to make the shading more even. Unless you're right in front of a lamp, there's not going to be so much contrast.
Say, if the pinkie finger is far away, or if the middle finger is going away from me, I make them lighter. If the thumb is pressed onto other fingers, or if the fingers are coming towards me, I totally bold out the lines.
I guess I gotta make it milder.
February 23rd, 2010 #17
Which is why once my crappy graphic design course ends this year, I'll be taking up part-time night classes in basic fine arts, where they've life sessions, teachers, resources and other students' references to learn from.
So, if there's gonna be any major improvement, it's gonna be next year.
www.draw23.com), and in their portrait section, they mention about using head casts when you're learning to draw portraits, due to it being easier and you can take your time. I'm thinking of trying that, and maybe also copy portraits from high-res photos.
There's a lot to learn in art, though. Perspective, construction, rendering, accuracy etc....and each of these is like require 10 years to be proficient at them.
I'll be watching
P Sage is doing this stuff now in his SB, take a look at how he is constructing the bottles. http://conceptart.org/forums/showthr...165861&page=19
Did you ever pick up the Barnstone Dvd's? just wondering
I'll buy his DVDs end of the year after I got my bonus.
I've seen his youtube vids (under 2 mins each) and it was enlightening as hell, so imagine what his DVDs can do.
I also heard he has sent the 1st draft of his book to the editor, so if it's true, then his drawing book may well be the One we're waiting for.
As always! Let's all work hard together. I want to buy and learn from Sheldon's figurative DVDs in the near future, so I gotta be proficient at drawing geometric shapes from any angle, in order to understand his stuff.
February 19th, 2010 #18
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February 19th, 2010 #19
So much Work. My Eyes....
do you want to know which part of your SB does pay attention?
Simply, everything because there is ssooooooo much work to regard and to rate...it is a paradise.
I have seen that you like to draw hands. Do you draw them by heart or did you use a book or your own hands? Hands are really hard to draw like almost every part of human's body. Where did you get this time to draw all this picture?
I am really fascinated, I mean if you are posting a new contribution then everyone could take hours of regarding you site.
I hope you understand everything of that what I said. I ask this because of my english which is little good as anyone else's here.
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August 25th, 2009 #20
if i ever start up a sketchbook you can come check it out and im sure itll
make you feel better about yourself!
August 25th, 2009 #21
August 25th, 2009 #22
Example... your fist stapler the perspective is off. The second one is much closer. You can see an improvement even between the two. So just keep it up and STOP saying negative things.
August 25th, 2009 #23
I definitely agree with Ardescoere, man, you should stop putting yourself down. There is no point in telling yourself (or anyone else) that you suck over and over again and making that your mantra, that's not working towards anything but your own demise as an artist and a person. It's a good thing to recognize ones own shortcomings and being able to spot your own mistakes, but be glad that you have this ability and use it to better yourself. Analyze your drawings when they don't come out the way you want them to, find out why and give it another go trying to avoid making the same mistake again.
I am a beginner myself, and the best thing I've done for my own advancement was to stop letting my failures bum me out. Just put the pen to the paper and draw, failed attempts are a part of the learning process and they are nothing to be upset about. I used to get really disheartened when I made a bad drawing, and it even stopped me from practicing for a very long time because I was afraid of failing even before I drew the first line - in hindsight this seems ridiculous and I regret that I didn't realize it sooner, but I think it's common for beginners.
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August 25th, 2009 #24
Thanks folks! I'll stop saying such negative things from now.
Btw, Andre and Crass, you two have any sketchbooks? Don't seem to see it in your sigs.
August 25th, 2009 #25
How about some ideas for drawing exercises? I hated them to death when I did them but they helped so very much.
Exercise 1: Copy part of a photograph or painting, zoomed in so you can't tell what the subject is anymore just by looking at it. This will help you see shapes, colour and value, rather than "an arm" or "a face" or "a stapler".
Exercise 2: Turn an abstract painting upside-down and try to capture it in one line.
Exercise 3: Draw an object from one angle, then turn it and draw it again, over the top of the first drawing. This might help you see how objects change with viewpoint.
All the best! Keep going and don't put yourself down.
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August 30th, 2009 #26
Less talk more draw everyone. Less "self help" advice more "art help".
Some ideas on vanishing points: they are needed to organize simple planar structures in space. Simple planar structures tend to be arranged perpendicularly, so you only need a few vanishing points.
Complex bodies like the human body, or any other organic body, literally have infinite vanishing points. Therefore, in a sense, they have no vanishing points.
The human body can't be drawn using the measuring techniques used for machines and buildings. And even when sketching buildings the vanishing points don't have to be accurate, that's why isometric projection has a spatial effect even though it doesn't use vanishing points.
This tells us that what's important, among many other important things, is that we should put our attention on the object before us and it's surfaces rather than a non-existant vanishing point.
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August 30th, 2009 #27
Hey guys! And hi Armando, thanks for your advice on perspective.
Btw, I just got Jack Hamm's "Drawing the Head and Figure" after seeing how it got 4.5 / 5 stars at Amazon.com, outta 65 reviews, which is an amazing score.
This would be a good book to start, after which I'll go on to a more advanced book, like Loomis's "Figure drawing for all it's worth".
Now at page 1 of Jack's book, which shows how to make very basic female heads using 6 steps.
There's a lot of great art at CA and it doesn't hurt to view crappy art now and then:
As you can see, they're trashy, but I'll be learning on the more accurate proportions in later pages of the book (page 2 onwards).
Although these heads look as if they're created by a 3-year old toddler, I enjoy drawing them.
As you can see, I any-how-oh shade in the hair.
I try to make the heads look more feminine by drawing the head longer and the chin sharper, but it doesn't look quite right. Looks like she-males to me.
If anyone has tips or comments on any of my heads, pls let me know so that it can speed up my progress.
Have a nice day!
Last edited by Xeon_OND; August 31st, 2009 at 10:27 PM.
September 1st, 2009 #28
those definitely look like a lot of Jack Hamm heads. LOL.
Try doing some 3/4 shots as well as some profiles, some from below, some from above, etc.
In this way you'll come to understand the head as a whole and not just from the front perspective.
Good work tho. Keep going.
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September 3rd, 2009 #30
You're drawing the same formless head, clearly from imagination, over and over. Stop it. That's not what a head looks like, that's not what eyes look like, and that's certainly not what a nose looks like. Go grab an anatomy book and study the major forms that make up a head. Draw from life and photo reference. Go grab a mirror and do some self portraits. Not just one, do twenty five of them. And no more churning out line drawings of cartoon heads. You're gonna have to learn to draw REAL heads before you get to those.
Let's see some head studies, proportions and anatomy especially. More importantly, let's see some RENDERINGS, from life and photo reference, no more cartoons. Hope to see some of this stuff from you soon.
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