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    The Art of Composition by El Coro and Jason Manley Closed

    Coro and I are going to do something special for you all this coming Sunday as he and I join up to cover the single most important aspect of image creation. We will be covering composition for Illustration, Narrative, Fine Art, Storyboarding, Marketing Art and more...

    Topics to be covered:

    The Principles of Design.
    The Illusion of Space and Improved Image Depth.
    Composition for Visual Storytelling
    Linear Design and Visual Flow
    Tonal Pattern and
    Abstraction
    Mood and Feeling
    A Crash Course in Composition History



    We will be covering many aspects of improved image creation which can be utilized regardless of style or industry to better your skills. This is very very practical stuff and you will leave the class with theories and ideas which will immediately improve your work and your awareness of how you create pictures with purpose.

    When: This Sunday! 1-5pm CDT
    Where: Right here on ConceptArt.Org (forum coming!)
    Why: Because you want to improve your ability to create believable and deep images containing emotional depth, mood, and content. And because we want to help support CA and it's new technology goals (in progress!!)
    How much? 95 USD. http://www.conceptartstore.com/artofco.html



    More info to come!!! I gave a teaser when we did the color theory class and it covered only the most basic part...we are going to cover the entire spectrum of composition, value storytelling, and share ideas which help you have greater emotional impact in your works.


    Join us for art, and in depth conversation on Composition. I consider this to be my best class and having Coro there with me, will make it an experience worth hearing and seeing. I have four hours of material prepared and we will be answering all your questions...at least as many as we possibly can!!

    Hope you all will enjoy the class. I had planned on running it as a download but it is a topic that I have realized is much better served when I can answer technical questions and share the info with you all. Coro and I have been studying composition since the mid 90's and there is a TON of info which will be given to you.

    Can't wait to see you all. Really. The questions so far have really pushed me to better communicate these ideas which have been refined down to the very core of what it takes to be successful in image making. Coro's knowledge of image creation and process is top notch.

    As usual, with these courses, CA's proceeds are going to the suport the continued building of all the new technology for you all to enjoy. Thank you so much for the support...We will do all we can to help around


    Really. thank you. Just got working with Jackie Oh and Randis on some new layouts for the site and the features list is thick and really the whole thing is beginning to lo looking thick. Going to keep at it til it is all done!!

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    Does this mean there isn't gonna be the downloadable content on composition?
    I can't seem to find that thread anymore either.

    This sounds pretty interesting though.

    EDIT: opps nevermind just read Jason's post over again heheh
    EDIT 2: Jason is there a minimum recommended bandwidth speed to stream the lessons smoothly?

     

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    ohhh c'moooonnn my bank is gonna be dry soon


    but its fucking worth it

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    Pitty im gone for the weekend. But I might just pay for the on demand, but will it have the entire class? Or will the beginning be missing like on the colourclass? (btw, that wasn't in a negative tone. Just wondering)

    Btw, what is this 30days I'm hearing about. Does the on demand only last 30 days? SNAPP I better watch both the last classes once more to get it in reaaaaal good

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    I actually prefer this to a download (Not to say a download would be sweet), having the chance to interact with Jason and ask questions as well as clarifications is immensively valuable-

    I will definately be there on sunday.

     

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    Smile

    Oh nooo. Your Sunday is our Monday any chance of bumping it back bit for the southern hemisphere?

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    If we need to, we will run it twice...will see how the interest is.

    Thanks for the comments. The colour theory should not have a missing part. I will discuss with Davi and get that resolved. Since there are some issues with the first two classes due to the switch over to the new ten channel plan, we will keep the course up another few days. Thanks for letting me know. If anyone has further issues please reach me directly via PM.


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    I am going to be taking questions from those who cannot make the class until it hits on demand. I will make a thread for those folks so they can get all their questions answered. cool?

    I am going to make an additional recording of those questions to add to the on demand library. I think that should help too.

    Doing all I can. Trying my best...still working out the kinks but it is all coming together.


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    Sucks that the download won't be happening... I would have saved my money from the last class for this if I'd known about it. Is there any chance of getting notice of topics a few classes in advance so we can budget for the ones we really want?

     

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    I am probably gonna start eating air and looking like a panda very soon *LOL* but well worth it!

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    Hey Jason... would it be possible to offer these at lower prices with a one-time-only viewing option?
    I understand you've got costs to cover, but purely from my perspective I'll be going bankrupt!

     

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    Although I would've loved a cheaper option I'll say I'm still super excited about this, I've been looking forward to it. I definitely thought that the color class was well worth the money despite some hiccups with the technology.
    I'm in agreement with the thought that eventually it'd be nice if there was a schedule of upcoming classes so people could save up and prioritize. I know you guys are getting things worked out, so I'm not complaining, just thought I'd raise my virtual hand in agreement with that sentiment.

    Anyway, thanks again for all the work you do, it's much appreciated. : D

     

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    Queue lazy writing skills,

    Guys i've spent $200 on downloads and now $200 on classes. a few downloads i would get my money back on if i could and needed the money enough, but these lessons are worth everything and more.

    in fact i feel asif im betraying myself writing this, the less people who know this info the better, because really, no one knows it like jason

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    At the edge of my seat waiting for this one. As long as I have money in the bank I will keep coming back!

    Fantastic to have both of you this time. Gonna be one to remember.

     

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    okay.. said i was going to do the other classes live and i didnt have the chance-but i am very sure this is a green light!! yeah!

     

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    I like the idea of having a download that I can rewatch at any time, but I'll give the live class a spin this Sunday

    edit: could anyone remind me where the live stream test link was?

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helen Blake View Post
    Oh nooo. Your Sunday is our Monday any chance of bumping it back bit for the southern hemisphere?
    I actually can make this class due to this. not saying everyone would feel this way but im enjoying that the change allows for me to participate.
    The class time table for where i am is 2am to 6am Monday 10th of August 2009-dont have a problem there either really.

    looking forward to discovering and learning.

     

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    Does the code you get work on more than one computer? Just because I tend to live in two different places, with two different connections and different computers avaliable to use them. I'm really not sure about the wi-fi connection which would be Sunday night (as it's 6PM-11PM here), and I would like to be able to check stuff on the wired in broadband later in the week.

     

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    Question Saturday or Sunday?

    I'm confused. The Facebook message I got says Saturday, but the post for this thread says Sunday...I don't want to miss it, so could you clarify Jason?

    Thanks ^_^

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    Something that Liffey mentioned that I agree would be helpful - if we could get the topics of a few classes in advance. Having just paid my tax bill, I'm kinda broke this month, and it'd be good to be able to pick which seminars were of the most value to me, as I'm pretty sure I can't afford them all.

    I know Jason and co are just in the early stages of figuring this out though, so I appreciate this might not be possible yet.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt_diecast View Post
    Something that Liffey mentioned that I agree would be helpful - if we could get the topics of a few classes in advance. Having just paid my tax bill, I'm kinda broke this month, and it'd be good to be able to pick which seminars were of the most value to me, as I'm pretty sure I can't afford them all.

    I know Jason and co are just in the early stages of figuring this out though, so I appreciate this might not be possible yet.
    Definitely agree... A week's notice isn't enough for some of us to pull together $100 by a long shot.

     

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    Really pooped about this, the live class won't be doable for me and I was checking back everyday for news on this download

     

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    I was hoping for a download too. Have been refreshing the download section a lot and when it disappeared from there I was really bummed. Don't mind streaming really but it is the time that might be difficult

    Will it be possible to pay to stream in all it's entirety at a later date?

     

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    Download please :(
    There's no way I'll be able to watch it streaming, we're 12 hours ahead of the States because of timezone, pretty much the same for most of Europe.

     

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    The reality is my comp download vid files were corrupted and we have been unable to get it to render out due to problems caused by both a bug with mac/adobe and a full operating system failure that we first thought was a hardware failure. I have spent four weeks on that video, days, nights, weekends. The only way for me to do it again at this point is to completely start from scratch. I wanted that vid out weeks ago...but I am stuck here...we have tried rendering in small bits, we have tried reediting and rendering...both the source files and the project were damaged and so the option for me at this point is to teach it live...and to do so in a way that is better than what I had to offer with the download.

    My way of helping make up for that was adding coro to the mix so we can include another extremely experienced viewpoint and provide even more information than I would have been able to on my own. The both of us doing this together is valuable and offers improvement to the program.

    As said, if I had my way it would have already been out. I would not have said it was out unless I believed it was going to work out. I announced when we started rendering the final, as always, and then got hit with the problems and that in turn led to thinking it was solved and then more software/hardware/file issues. It is a loss to me, in time, in effort, and financially. I would have had another download out which would help this community and now I do not. I had to pay to get it made too. It is a loss. The best I can do is to make up for it with a better program than I had before...and this class is going to be exactly that.



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    Thanks for explaining, Jason. Bummer to hear about all that, but good luck with the class. I can't scrounge up the money to do this one, but maybe another time.

     

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    I'd honestly be glad to pay the 90 bucks, even if only to view this live session. It's just a matter of timing. I wonder why THIS class couldn't be provided to view as a download at a later time? I understand that you must have your reasons, Jason, I am just curious.

     

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    Thank you for explaining Jason, unfortunately this mean I wont be able to get this (very important) knowledge. I do not have 95 bucks to spare. I know people scream at that with the notion: if you wish to improve you CAN spend the cash, but the reality is that 20, maybe even 50 bucks I could have spent, but 95 means my children do not have food...


    So I am hoping that there will be an alternative along the road- alternatively that I will get lucky and be able to save up for a future class..

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    CA editors are already working hard on the next round of downloads including Andrew Jones Fine Art part two, Donato Giancola's, and another Zhanglu.

    Right now CA does not have the editing bandwidth, and I do not have another week to re-record...it is either I do it streaming style or the other option is to not do it at all, given the circumstances...the latter would put it in the back of the download line that is already in production...which means another year out before it can be taught The goal is to take what I have and to add coro and all his considerable skills and knowledge to the mix. This will be a better course because of that.

    I have taken the liberty of cleaning up this thread. Please, keep the discussion on the class. I am hopeful for the understanding. If you want to send me a PM on your questions, I will try to answer them.

    Regarding the schedule..yes we are looking at that now...expect there will be great demos and lectures, live, every weekend for the next few months. We have much to do.

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