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July 29th, 2009 #1
Cops protect and service eachother (warning image is a result of my rage)
THE POLICE PROTECT AND SERVICE EACHOTHER. Thats right these bitch asses are charging my friend with a felony for assulting an officer when he reached up to grab a railing seince he was drunk. They tackled him and put there knees into his head. Cuffed him and put him in jail. Let me repeat that ... he put his hand above his head and they tackled him. Assulting an officer is considered a felony charge so my friends life will pritty much be a bitch after trying to get jobs with assult felonys is like fishing in a barrel the only way your going to catch a fish is if you got a friend who puts a fish in there for ya. Im extremly pissed i have only ever encountered cops with ego trips that instantly lable me as criminal. Talking down to me as if i had done something wrong. I PAY FOR THESE MOTHER FUCKERS TO WORK THEY SHOULD BE CALLING ME SIR. Who elts up in here have been disrespected by the cops?
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July 29th, 2009 #2
Posting drunk and angry. Always a great idea.
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July 29th, 2009 #3
First off; Calm down. Your rage will do nothing but fester and cause more harm than good.
If you were drunk, and it does sound like you still are; How are you going to defend your friend being that you're a witness? I'm only guessing.
I'm not taking anyone's side in this due to knowing there are good cops and bad cops. They're people like us. Power can go to one's head and it's sad when they abuse it. I was in the military for five years, and there is a general sense of disdain for the police because it tends to be the bad ones that get coverage and we trust them to protect our families from the bad guys at home while we protect them from them bad guys abroad. It also bothers a lot of us because we take leave to come home and see the encroachment of police on people at events where they're supposed to simply keep the peace rather than attack people.
But not all of them are like this. I struggle with stereotyping police, myself. But I've had some that, even when I'm in cuffs, treated me with respect and left the level of pain up to me. I've had others that abused their power as well. Very directly.
With that being said; Sober up, clear your thoughts, get your story straight, and do whatever you can to help your friend. A felony is a tough charge, but it can be fought and defeated depending on witness testimony, physical evidence, your friend's intoxication, your own(if applicable), the reason police even showed up, etc.
I would suggest you be courteous and talk with someone, in person, in the legal society. If they aren't willing to speak with you for free; speak with someone who knows this process in detail here. I'm not certain, but judging by his presented knowledge and the assumptions that are prevalent; Arttorney may be your best bet.
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July 29th, 2009 #6
My take on cops is when you are around some of the worst elements in our society on a daily basis, yeah, you'll probably start expecting the worst out of people. If you spent all day every day with liars, after a while you'd come to expect that everyone is a liar, and you'd treat people as such. Does this excuse their behavior? Not at all, but at least in my mind it helps me to understand it better. There are some cops who abuse their position of power, but it isn't all of them.
As for your situation, or your buddy's more accurately, I expect he'll get that charge thrown out. It would be pretty hard to sell a felony assault on an officer if he didn't touch one. If the facts are as simple as you are saying, it will be fine. Most of that kind of thing is a scare tactic to get people under control, or to put pressure on them.
July 29th, 2009 #7
Yeah....Whenever I've had to deal with cops I turn on the charm. I've been "in trouble" a couple of times, but I've never been arrested and I credit that to treating the cops involved with the respect they want to be treated with. Of course I've never been in a violent situation with them, and the cops didn't start off all that aggressively so it wasn't quite like this situation. I'm also 6'4 and 250lbs so I guess I can be a bit physically intimidating to some. I say all of that because I'm on the fence about cops...On one hand I feel bad for them. Pretty much every person they deal with is probably, for one reason or another having the worst day of their life. As a part of your job people are going to try to kill you, and many people are going to despise what you represent.
On the other hand, growing up in a fairly rural area I've seen the people that often grow up and become cops, and I feel like I can say that there's at least a certain percentage who are in it for the power, and do abuse their positions. A friend of mine has actually been following, as a reporter, the corruption case of the Sheriff of Buncombe County (Asheville, NC) and he was recently sentanced to 15 years in prison for all sorts of corrupt shit.
FORMER BUNCOMBE COUNTY SHERIFF BOBBY MEDFORD and CO-DEFENDANTS SENTENCED IN U.S. DISTRICT COURT Medford Receives 15 Years for Corruption, Extortion, and Money Laundering ASHEVILLE, N.C. – Gretchen C. F. Shappert, U.S. Attorney for the Western District of North Carolina, announced that Bobby Lee Medford, 63 years of age, the former Sheriff of Buncombe County, was sentenced on October 6, 2008 in federal court in Asheville to a total period of imprisonment of 15 years, to be followed by three years of supervised release. The sentence also requires Medford to forfeit $287,776 in proceeds of his criminal activities, and to pay to the Court a special assessment of $1,100. The sentencing follows Medford’s convictions in federal court in Asheville on May 15, 2008, following a trial of almost three weeks, of conspiring to enrich himself unlawfully by extorting money from persons involved in the illegal video poker machine business in Buncombe County beginning October 1, 2000 and continuing through December 3, 2006.
Medford was convicted of depriving the citizens of Buncombe County of the right to his honest services, performed free from deceit, favoritism, self-enrichment, self-dealing, concealment, and conflict of interest, by participating in a conspiracy related to illegal video poker machine businesses while employed as sheriff and as a sheriff’s special deputy for Buncombe County. Medford was also convicted of conspiring to obstruct local or state law enforcement, and of conspiring to commit money laundering.
Another thing that scares the shit out of me is the increasing militarization of police departments. The more the police look like the military the more you know some shit is going wrong in our society. The police forces involved in "policing" the Republican National Convention last year looked like some cross between a paramilitary goon and the Combine from HalfLife2. They had been given millions of dollars by the federal government to buy new toys and build enclosures to house protesters.
Here's a map of botched "Paramilitary" raids on either innoncent, or non-violent offenders houses by SWAT teams. Incidentally SWAT teams have only been in existence since the late 60's and are by no means some long established and accepted branch of policing. I won't deny the original purpose behind them, combating heavily armed, and organized offenders such as gangs, and organized crime groups. However they are increasingly used simply to serve regular warrents. This testimony to the House Subcommittee on Crime mentionsPeter Kraska, a criminologist at the University of Eastern Kentucky, estimates we’ve seen a startling 1,500 percent increase in the use of SWAT teams in this country from the early 80s until the early 2000s. And the vast majority of these SWAT raids are for routine warrant service.
800 times per week in this country, a SWAT team breaks open an American’s door, and invades his home. Few turn up any weapons at all, much less high-power weapons. Less than half end with felony charges for the suspects. And only a small percentage end up doing significant time in prison.
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July 29th, 2009 #9
Honestly, I have never once been disrespected by cops.
Even with the WTO riots in Seattle and the Seattle police department getting a bad rap for how some of that was handled...the cops up here have always been incredibly nice to me when I have been pulled over, courteous and understanding when I have a legitimate excuse, and professional when I have deserved a ticket.
One time I was mugged in college and the response time was under 5 minutes and the 4 officers that assisted me and my friends were simply awesome people.
I have no doubt people have had bad experiences and I'm not saying corruption and powertripping cops don't exist...but I have nothing but respect for these men that have some of the hardest jobs out there.
You'll get no "f*ck da po-po" rally support from me.
Sorry your friend got in trouble, though.
July 29th, 2009 #10
Your friend had to have been doing something to get the cops' attention. Cops just don't come and arrest you.
I lived in a bad place, so I've had a lot of experience with cops. Probably one cop I met was an asshole and all of the rest were passionate and caring about their jobs. I love cops. They used to host a pool part at the park and give us treats. They were always helpful and they always did their job. I could hug a bunch of cops right now than I would.
From my experience, cops will leave you alone and even be friendly to you unless you're doing some shit that you don't need to be doing. People usually blame cops for their own errors. For people that put their lives on the line, they sure get insulted too often.
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July 29th, 2009 #11
I debated whether or not I wanted to respond to this, and for better or worse, I will.
I actually work for my Sheriff's office as a dispatcher and 911 calltaker, and I have to deal with this kind of attitude more than I'd ever care to. I've been called every name in the book and bitched out by people asking for my help, for no reason at all. I've had to listen to people die over the phone while our deputies were racing, lights and sirens, to give their assistance. And in the year and a half that I have worked for this agency, three of our deputies have given their lives in the line of duty, murdered by people who have absolutely no respect at all for life. While there was a great deal of support from the community, there was also a shocking amount of animosity from people who simply hate the institution of the police. So understand that I take this a little personally.
Are there bad officers in the world? Are some on power trips? Of course. People are people, and there are enough bad ones for every profession. I can't comment on your friend's predicament because I don't know the details, but from what I've experienced officers don't just pull charges out of thin air, or jump on people simply because they can. Even if that was the case with your friend, railing against every officer that's ever worn a uniform is just as unfair.
And as a side note, there is nothing more aggravating than having people throw the "I pay for you to work" thing around. I pay for my own salary, too.
Good luck with your friend, if he really didn't do anything I hope he gets cleared of the charges.
July 29th, 2009 #12
When I was probably at the lowest point in my life some of the best advice and support that I got came from a priest who had previously been a cop for the LAPD. His reason for pursuing both jobs was a desire to help people. The reason that he went to being a preist was the hope that helping someone might occur in a way that included a little less violence.
In all the cases where I've encountered officers thay have been entirely professional and I have had no problem with how they have conducted themselves towards me. This includes the time that I'd been detained and searched for having been in the wrong place at the wrong time, and the multiple times I've been pulled over (usually for traffic offences that I was definately guilty of but got out of after all was said and done).
I honestly have to wonder what it is that your friend was doing in the first place for that to happen to him, because I think there must be something that you are leaving out. It may be that the action of reaching for the pole to steady himself triggered their reaction, but what was the scenario that caused them to be on gaurd leading them to misinterpret his actions? It is obvious that there must have been something to lead them to the scene in the 1st place, as it is highly unlikely that the officers were just passing by and got the notion into their head to just run up to some guy and start beating on him.
July 29th, 2009 #13
Alright first thing i will say is that i did deal with a officer in inner city and to me he stood his limits on where to move the conversation and did seem simply interested in the facts. Im also not saying that cops that have these ego power trips dont do good things. I dont belive there corrupt cops i do belive that there perspectives are that there working for the good of everyone. Never the less the cops ive had to deal with most with in my life are suburban cops. If you have lived in the suburbs you know that nothing really ever goes down. I mean a robery here and there ... Other then that its pritty much speeding tickets and nailing younger people at partys and those who are dumb enough to drive away. One of my aquantince freinds told me once about how his dad and his cop friends were sitting around drinking a beer and laughing about how they tazed the captain of the high school football team. They have marked 2 of my friends with personal vendettas and litterally have arrested them at any account they possibly can. One of my friends went to samoa for a year of rehab. This is his house that this party took place at he didnt even drink. His brother got 7 cases of beer. My friend who went away and had just come back was the first person the cops arrested when they came into the house on probable cause and are trying to charge him for throwing a party. I mean for fucks sake he was sleeping and they arrested him first before anyone who was drinking. They called back up 4 officers for 9 people at the house. 3 of the people were let go with mips and thats fine do your job but thats where the problem lies they hot headed mother fuckers made fun of my friends. they started putting in there own comments like a group of little kids trying to pick on people. Of course my friends who are drunk are only going to react the same way and start making fun of them. This is when my friend had reached above his head and they tackled him. a 4 to 6 ratio at this point. Yeah at this point they were deffinitly looking to get off on some adrenaline rush. 2 people cuffed a third on the ground they were pushing people in every way they could to get them to react and get emotions involved. My one friend ran up when they they tackled him and if it wasnt for my other friend hold him back this situation could have even gone worse. In the end though what did they didnt give a fuck about what they were doing and whos lifes they were ruining. My friend got out last night finally on bail they wouldnt put him on bail until his parrents came there and demanded they do. We gathered the cash to get him out and they wouldnt let us. Thats pritty much the full story so if you think in anyway that my friends were just quiet and accepting the abuse from these cops that are representing the law no they struck back at every insult they recieved. What do you expect too there drunk. But the cops should have done no more then give people mips and been on there way.
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July 30th, 2009 #15
Easy remedy is dont get drunk and hang around at places that need constant police patrol. If you had shown that sort of attitude to me when i was on duty id probably have thrown you in a cell as well, for good measure. Sounds to me like you are lucky you didnt get your drunk ass locked up too...
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July 30th, 2009 #16
Good people, bad people blah blah blah. All I know is one thing, 8 out of 10 people who become cops, do so because they either had no choice or were stupid enough to dream of being Dirty Harry.
The real problem here isn't the police, nor is being 'afraid' of the police and thinking up various strategies to not 'get in trouble' a solution, if the cop has a 'hard on' and is out to show he's the man, he'll find a reason. The problem is the establishment using this tool called 'law enforcement' to achieve it's goals.
The police, the military and secret services are gaining more and more power to intrude and rule over our lives. Pair that with the illiterate, fascist, classless dopes that join these ranks because they played Counter Strike or watched Rambo and Dirty Harry and what you have is a poorly paid, uneducated, therefore blind to the truth, tool that 'does it's job' protecting and serving multibillionaires, Wall Street Wise guys, judges, politicians and bankers from us, who might just decide at some point to fight back a little. Isn't it a little odd that statistically, all over the world, cops seem to have a higher success rate at protecting the government, politicians, VIPs and such rather than you or me?
Consider... the police was created to help 'fight crime'. They have been around for 200 years and crime has been rising more than before. The dark ages seemed safer than today! I'd say the cops have done a bad job don't you?
July 30th, 2009 #17
All the sudden, with the reactions I'm seeing from the general populace, maybe I shouldn't tell you of my plans to join the US Army, MOS 31B... Military Police (oh wait, just did, f you all). To all of you, I'm just someone who plays too many video games with a dream of beating teenagers to death for my own amusement, apparently. Couldn't possibly be any interest in law enforcement to you know... to uphold the law, get drunks off the road so they won't endanger their own and others' lives, mitigate domestic disputes and possibly save a woman from another savage beating.... no, it's just to get my jollies by beating kids.
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July 30th, 2009 #18
I've come into contact with cops that were nothing more than high school bullies with badges, and I've come into contact with cops that have cut me huge breaks and were super nice.
I'll just say what you all already know. Cops are people, and people can be saints or assholes, it really varies. I don't think anyone can really say that any large group is indefinately made up of nice guys or assholes
July 30th, 2009 #19
yea... Well theres some bad cops and good cops like sentinel was saying. Just like everyone else.
In my home town me and my friends got in plenty of trouble for random stupid things. We got to know the cops and were friends with quite a few. During this we found that 3-4 of them were selling drugs among other things to minors. Through a few people's efforts we got them fired. But the guys we knew who were cool on the force were polar opposites. One of the drug dealer cops had his name tattooed on his back in gothic font and down his arms... haha, so yea, theyre just dudes. Some are assholes, some are awesome.
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July 30th, 2009 #20
Line - I'm curious where you got your statistics saying that 8 out of 10 people who become cops do so because they had no choice or were stupid enough to think they could be Dirty Harry.
Several other people have touched on this already, but I'll add my two cents. Cops are people too, a good friend of mine is a cop and he is just a regular dude who puts on a badge and gun when he goes to work. There are good cops and bad cops in about equal proportion to the good people and bad people in the rest of the world. Sometimes cops make mistakes, act irrationally or emotionally, or even violently - just like other people. Because an officer's job is so dangerous (any given call they receive could end in a fistfight, car accident, or gun battle) they cannot afford to take chances that could jeopardize themselves or others, and so sometimes they take the initiative and use force.
Anyway, cops are just people - because they can (and sometimes will) react to situations inappropriately, I just take care never to put myself in a situation where that's a possibility.
July 30th, 2009 #21
Line you are a man of my words. I dont know about the statistic but i sure as hell feel that way about them. I mean if judges read thorough ... emma goldmen ... maybe some daniel quinn, derrick jensin oh god that judge would have a much better sence of judgement on whom they convict.
July 30th, 2009 #22
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I have a couple of friends who are cops, but other than that, the only dealing I've had from them was years ago, when I was driving my daughter to school. Some kid ran right in front of my car, with no warning, out of nowhere.
Luckily, my clutch was slipping, I was going up a hill, and I doubt if I was doing more than 4 miles an hour, but I cannot tell you how horrible it feels to see a kid hit the front of your car then disappear out of sight.
She then, fortunately, got up and ran off again, but I had to drop my daughter off at school, then go to the police station and tell them what had happened, for insurance purposes. I gotta admit, I went home and had a coffee first and waited a few minutes until I stopped shaking.
They were non-committal and professional, but they did their job properly, took statement, breath test, etc., even though it was 9 am. I never heard any more about it, and still don't know who the kid was, but I found the professionalism of the team on that morning reassuring.
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July 30th, 2009 #25
There are good cops and bad cops just as there are good people and bad people. I have had my share with both groups. Everyone is human. It's like saying when a person comes up to you and treats you unfairly you then go to your interwebz and say you hate all people.
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July 30th, 2009 #26
These guys get attacked all the time by drunks. They are'nt going to say, "hey, what are you doing with your hands? Are you just reaching up for that bar? Oh, ok That's cool." It's for your thier safety. They don't want to take chances after all the horror stories about an officer who got careless during a routine procedure. You were drunk? it's probably night out, dark, there's alot of action. They don't have time to guess what you're doing. Police DO do alot of hard work. How often does your house get raided and you get raped and murdered? not everyday, right? Because they're out trying to protect you. Sure there are always a few bad seeds anywhere. These guys are'nt millionaires, they're working so they can come home and feed thier families, and not taking chances with beligerent drunks so that they can be there to eat dinner with thier families, too. If you don't think they do anything? What the fuck do you expect? They're like Spider-Man, goign to swing in at the last second and push you out of the way from a speeding bullet. They're just people, man. Maybe the first thing you need to do is check the way you act out in public, getting hammered and roaming the streets.
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July 30th, 2009 #27
Some of my co-workers and former classmates are cops...so yeah I guess I can say some of my friends are cops. You have to understand that they are people, and they have good and bad days, and they put up with a lot and don't get paid much. They have to put their lives on line, get shot at, yelled at, and be on scene to witness gut-wrenching scenes of accidents and murders. They have to see people die, collect body parts, and so on...and you wonder why some don't go insane like some soldiers are in Iraq or Afghan. And just think, the cops are often as nervous or scared as you are.
Yes, there are some bad cops who are real jerks and don't deserve the badge they wear...but don't think all cops are like that because of those jerks.
Most cops I've met are professional and courtesy, except for maybe one who stopped me for running a red light...he was in a very cussy mood and yelled at me. Must have skipped his morning coffee and donut.
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July 31st, 2009 #28
Hey just a quick question for everyone who is/has friends who are cops: is it true that a cop is more likely to let you go with a warning if you're able to make him laugh?
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July 31st, 2009 #30
"Are there bad officers in the world? Are some on power trips? Of course. People are people, and there are enough bad ones for every profession."
Yeah that's true, but here's what gets me. In any other profession, when you screw up, you're fired. There was a kindergarten teacher who was fired for telling her class that Santa doesn't exist. Not suspended, not a pay cut, but fired, and all because schools are deathly afraid of lawsuits from parents. She studied for many years more than the average police officer, but whenever they have a courtcase for abusing their rights, or even shooting unarmed citizens, they all get to keep their jobs. At least that's how it seems. Anyone here know of an officer who was ever fired? Also, when a person of any other profession comes up and gets a power trip on putting you down, you have equal legal footing to speak up for yourself. With cops, they could cop a feel off your wife or some such, and you still have to kiss their ass.
As for me, I've been harrassed by police officers before. One time I pulled over in Boston to ask for directions, and this officer started screaming at the top of his lungs that I couldn't park there. I tried saying I wasn't parking, I just didn't want to block any passing cars and he wouldn't stop screaming. When I got back into the middle of the road, and he finally stopped screaming to ask where I'm going, I just said forget it. He said, good, since I'm so bad at following directions. He wasn't busy at the time either, he was standing on parade duty, for a parade that hadn't come anywhere near yet, on a secluded street, and he was bored.
Then there was the time I drove to a hotel, went to check in, and when I come outside, there's two cops standing by my car. Okay, no biggy, I went to talk to them. They said they liked my car and were interested in hearing about it (a toyota echo?). I talked with them for a bit, and then they asked out of the blue, "can we look in your trunk?" I paused, and said, ok, and after that, they asked a few more questions, and left. I don't know if I was a suspect for something or not, but this was just after the release of Super Troopers, and it seemed related. They definately seemed in on a private joke.
There was also the time I was in a secluded street in downtown Boston and there was a cop with a construction contractor or some such, AND I DIDN'T SEE A GODDAMNED THING.
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