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July 27th, 2009 #16
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July 27th, 2009 #18
The Color Theory class was out of control. It was about 7 hours long and didn't drag for a minute. I consider myself fairly well read on the topic, but Jason was teaching all sorts of ways to use color and value that I hadn't come across before. The streaming technology is actually really cool and worked great.
I went back and forth Sunday morning trying to decide if I really wanted to spend my day inside looking at my computer screen, but in the end I couldn't pass up the opportunity. If you're sitting on the fence about this next one, I encourage you to take the leap. While I obviously haven't taken the course yet, if it's half as informative as the color one, you will not be sorry.
But what I really wanted to say was everyone who is on holiday or working or whatever, you might consider signing up for the class anyway since there will be a streaming version of it online for 30 days afterwards (I'm assuming they're doing that for this one, too). You can't take advantage of the asking questions element, but you can watch it when you get back!
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July 27th, 2009 #20
Too bad I can't use my "education loan" towards these instead of my overpriced college classes. College doesn't really allow me the opportunity to budget for a monthly subscription.
Will try to attend this one though--this is definitely something that is hardly taught in school. I've only seen a couple seminars for this aspect of the art world at my uni. Only grazing the top of some of the deeper subjects of this topic.
Looking forward to it!
July 27th, 2009 #21
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Wow another one! The color theory lecture was amazing and well worth the money. I will be in every class from now on as long as I can afford it. Thanks Jason!
July 27th, 2009 #23
July 27th, 2009 #24
Yeah Jason did a long weekend this time. But in the future as they produce more broadcasts its going to boil down to about a 4 hour lecture. Thats $25 dollars an hour roughly. Now at my university I spent about $1200 for an art course. I went 3 times a week, 3 hours each day, for 16 weeks give or take. About 144 hours of instruction. That averages down to $8.33 per hour of instruction. We spent about 2 weeks on color in my foundation design course and my instructor covered a lot of the same fundamentals Jason reviewed.
online accredited and non accredited training is exploding right now and it seems that Jason wants his new company to be able to teach students who would pay with financial aid and student loans. I dont see getting accredited for any other reason. Which I think is just awesome. I would change schools in a heartbeat. But by the time his school comes online I will have graduated and will be busy repaying student loans.
But what about all those people who cant get the funding to go to school. Even Jason says you dont have to have the degree you just have to learn the art. Or maybe art is just a passion and not a career. If this material was archived and accessible to review it could reach an even bigger market. I see many teenagers here on CA who are ready for advanced lecture.
Im just saying there is a real niche with online subscriptions. It could fund the start up of the school itself. Not to mention having the web/video tech ready for online programs. Its only a matter of time before someone has an online subscription plan for commercial art training, if it isnt already here.
I cant afford to watch very many $100 lectures that im not ready for. But even beginners are interested in the product. If you can reach them, viola...
There is your digital revolution
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July 27th, 2009 #25
Oh man... Jason, you're gonna ruin me. Maybe in the future we could have two weeks between classes? Not sure if I'm gonna do this one or not... I really really want to, since I don't think I'll find this info anywhere else, at least not easily. Just not sure if I can afford it so soon after the last class. Do you know if you'll be repeating it anytime in the future?
Last edited by Ian Barker; July 27th, 2009 at 09:19 PM.
July 27th, 2009 #26
July 27th, 2009 #27
I loved the Color Theory class! And I will probably attend this class. But there is some really important stuff you guys should consider if you want to keep this as a good but affordable source of income.
As the one above me said, I'd love to see a subscription available. Eventually, nobody's going to be able to afford paying 95 dollars every time there is a class. I realize you are just starting this out and testing how it works, but I feel this would be something really important to implement as soon as you possibly can, or at least hold off on classes until something is in place.
My reasoning is, at the price of 95 dollars with classes every weekend or even every month, it's an extremely hefty fee. A whole month (four weekends) is already $340! That's almost the price of rent! Not only that, but the information isn't even available for download, or even permanently - and if you miss a class period, you're completely screwed.
The worst thing about it is that it makes it extremely hard to pick and choose what classes one would want to take, because we have no idea of what is coming up next, if it will be the "omg can't miss class", or not. A schedule would make this even easier.
Hopefully my suggestions are useful. I just started coming to CA.org, and at the right time - these classes and the videos I've bought from MB are simply amazing. But if you're not going to offer downloads, there really needs to be a better system...
July 27th, 2009 #28
First, thanks to those of you who attended the other course. Really. I had soooo much fun. It was the best weekend I have had in ages really. I feel like the questions taught me some things too..so thanks.
Second...if you can find what I have to say anywhere else, I will be personally surprised. I don't know another artist in the field who has built a client list like this:
I also do not know anyone in art who has the same up to date knowledge of multiple industries pricing, current going work values, negotiation, promotion, legal, and other freelance and career matters. You can take the top three MB competitors and combine them and I have still amassed more clients than they have and they have entire teams of biz and sales guys...MB, up until recently, only had me. I am sharing theories and strategies that you can implement in your own freelance work and career to get the job done.
There is no way some teacher at one of the private art schools knows all this stuff. No way at all. If they did, they would be doing what I do. So anyone that says they can find it cheaper elsewhere...go for it. It will not happen. If you have an interest in finding success, I am happy to share. The small fee is supporting the growth of this site and community, which has had a huge impact on so many peoples lives. Spending money on Lynda.com is not getting you a ton of new tech to use, for free, to be able to be more successful, nor keeping this site open and free for your learning and work use. CA is doing that. I don't know anyone else who is.
We are considering some subscription formats, but this live course program is here to stay. I cant keep it up forever or the bandwidth would kill us. We will see if we can find some solutions as time goes on, but for now this is how it is going to work. We are trying to do a great job and I think the reviews speak for themselves.
I can go down and take a one day class at a number of institutions, in the flesh, and get no ability to watch the video from it at all...and pay even more money. Just one look in your local city pages newspaper will show you that. This way of working keeps our costs balanced with the funding CA needs to grow. Believe me, we are doing all we can to offer the best deal possible. In all honesty, I think we could charge more for this stuff...others do. We are not. We are being fair as we possibly can..as we always do.
I will consider running a night course for the same topic. If there is enough support for it I will run it. I have to raise a tremendous amount of funds for CA's new technologies and am putting my full efforts and time into doing so. This all comes from the right place of integrity. If the leaders in CA put the time in, which they are going to, then it will happen and this place will have every necessary tool and program it deserves.
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July 27th, 2009 #29
Well said Jason, my only concern is that having two classes so close to eachother will keep some potential customers from being able to participate. Spacing them out even just a week more might make it a bit easier to save up.
That said, if you really want to attend these classes, you will find a way. Donate plasma. Pack a lunch instead of eating fast food. Don't buy that movie/game you were eyeing (you should be spending your free time drawing anyways). Don't go to the bar Friday night. Find a one day job on craig's list. Sell some old collectibles on ebay. It just comes down to how badly you really want to learn and mature as an artist.
Furthermore, if you are a starving artist, this is probably just the class you need. $95 for info on how to succeed as a freelancer/making it into the industry? Sounds like an incredible investment to me. If you attended the Color Theory class, read any of the reviews on it, or hell, bought any MB vid, you know that it's going to be well more than worth it.
July 27th, 2009 #30
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