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    Hey guys....I was doodling and doing some pose sketches when it came across my mind that we haven't decided if we're gonna do backgrounds or only and really focus on the design of the characters with a simple background.

    The last lineup looked messy. I know, it was I who made it. But shouldn't we focus on the lineup already?

    ...just a few thoughts...

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    Well. here are the doodles I made.

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    And some thumbnails sketches with two of the poses I thought could give some nice results. The bad fairy/elf is flying away looking down on a village she just put in flames.

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    I think I'm doing to much with the environment rather than focusing on the design. That's what I'm gonna do next.
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    I propose, we make simple backgrounds. A simple landscape, so the character is in focus.
    And i propose, all do the character on atransparent layer, so we finally can mounting them together better.
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    I agree, lets all put our characters on a separate layer and then set them on a simpler background to showcase them together, unless we feel we have time to do a more elaborate bg for the team picture, then we can all have a bit more freedom to do a bit of background for our own individual portraits as long as we keep it in line with the overall themes?

    sketches looking good skorpi, perhaps even putting him in a full chieftain headress of feathers would look imposing?

    some refinement on the sillhuettes. been looking at gorillas and other big primates and think they might fit well to base the orch heads off, beeing capable of both lookig really fierce and serene.

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    @Lost Faith: Don't forget that your image has to be in a high format.
    I don't know, how her personality should be. Her body langugage at the moment says im harmless. Maybe she could sit there more self confident.

    @mimer: Thanks for adivice. I'm trying different designs at the moment.
    I think the position of the drums son't work at the moment. The way he wears them makes him play like that I think he can play more powerful if he play with only one hand like this or if he place hte drum on the grount and play then with both arms.
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    good points skorpi, heres a version with one bigger drum

    lostfayth: i think with the fairy we'll have to see the scale for the group picture, perhaps thatll be easier to compose if all the characters are standing on their own, ie not resting or sitting on anything? especially for a small character like the fairy but overall for the group too? The fairy can be flying or standing, but i think for the group composit it will probably be seen best if its in midflight, since that will give you more freedom to move her around to make a good group shot?

    perhaps use butterfly wings for her? that will give you a lot of options to display imagery for the good and evil character? (think the moth picture on the silence of the lambs cover)?

    just rambling away, i think my main point is that we should probably focus on expressing the charachters through their own looks rather than their surroundings and backgrounds?
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    Thanks you two! You're right. I need to keep in mind that she will be composed in a group later on, so I guess I'll just do a full frontal body drawing.

    I made a whole a4 page full with silhouettes/thumbnails. I love almost dry markers, you can really layer the ink I'll post them up tomorrow. I already have some favorites.

    Mimer, it getting better and better. Are you gonna stick with these two or look for other options as well? Not that these two are bad or anything. In fact, they're really strong silhouettes and the design is working too

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    i really like those two, but i think ill try some other versions out tomorrow just to keep from getting stuck on something too soon

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    Okay, I've scanned in the silhouettes to show you all. I used an almost dry marker accidentally and it gave some great effects.

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    I also two funny concepts to let them be more in touch in nature. Just to have a bit fun.

    Attachment 744520 Attachment 744529

    And lastly, I put some of the silhouettes I liked and put some more detail in them. One way or another I had the Native Americans in my head almost all the time. I guess it shows. I need to convert it more to armor. Right now all the baddies are wearing typical Native American clothes.

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    I'd like to hear from you what you like the most. I can combine stuff of course. Comment please. Can you guess which ones are my favorite? ;D
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    @Lost Faith: I like the last one
    I had the same problem with the combination armor and american native clothing. Not to easy, but i'm sure, we find a way

    Still painting some costumes, i show them soon

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    First designs, but I'm not really confident, I think i have to draw some more
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    well, if we dont want to, we dont really have to combine the clothing in particular with armour. thats a bit of a clash, perhaps take the iconography and style from the native american cultures rather than thinking whole garments since were doing a rather advanced race in terms of armour and clothing?

    like the sketches, keep em coming i like the animal headresses actually since she is supposed to be a magician? at least for the native american baddies, the animal head headdress would work for their shamans. which would fit with her magic class? perhaps go with a fox for the asian theme, although i guess showing their faces is paramount.

    skorpi: love the colours, some more knightlike armour on the top row mixed with the native american pieces perhaps. the good guys also have a good palette of colours, and i like the design on particularly the first one, but they dont read as warriors as well as the top row does atm.

    heres some alternative poses and bard instruments i scribbled on my commute from work today. all comments, ideas and crits appreciated.
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    skorpi Wow girl, you have really outdone yourself Those bears really look nice. The Bad bears look great. The first and second from the left are in my opinion the best. They scream FIGHTER, so that worked . I think a little of blue does really magic. Maybe try that too in the other two?

    The good bears have some nice color variation.
    Bear 1 is looking like a nobleman with some fine clothing that could be really expensive. He would make a nice priest.
    Bear 2 reminds me of Goku. xD He fits the brief. Everything he wears shows he's a strong warrior.
    Bear 3 shows he's not a warrior. I don't know what he could be.
    Bear 4 is a combination of Bear 1 and two: A noble and rich warrior.

    mimer Nice instrument I like the pose where he's sitting on one knee and plays his flute. Nice and calm. The flags on the sketch in the lower left corner made me lol. It's a bit too much, isn't it?

    AhChu Haven't heard anything from you in a few days. You must be very busy. Good luck with the workload man. You're still in right?

    Well....skorpi inspired me to do some sketches in color as well. I was spending too much time on each sketch and then I tried to do some real fast sketches and they came out a lot better than the long ones. Well, a few of 'em did.

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    I like 5 - 7 the best. 5 was done in like 2 minutes and I changed 3 into 7 in a couple of minutes. It's funny how thing turn out sometimes.

    I was thinking....wouldn't it be interesting if I made her into a bug-like fairy. More like a pixie. But a bit more human than the usual pixie. Big round eyes, small nose and mouth and maybe a pair of antennas? Or she could be wearing some head garment with bug eyes, much like I did with the deer. Think of it as a crown or something like that.

    Oh, I'll get started on the baddies.
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    heh, yeah, i agree, the flags are way over the top

    of your designs lostfayth, i think i like nr 3 best atm, because of the interresting details on the clothing. i like the idea of experimenting around a bit with with different insecs/bugs for her look.

    Something ive been thinking about, regarding our world decription so far. I really like the basic premise, two paralell worlds brought together by the "evil" more expansionist side for conquest, but I think we need to tighten it up a bit.

    Heres what ive been thinking, based on what weve done so far and the ides weve had for the two different sides.

    "Back in a time now lost to even the eldest of storytellers, there were two lands. Divided as by the breath on a cold mirror, they existed side by side without ever touching, until the greed and ambition on one side caused a terrible event, fusing the lands together, and bringing both sides of the mirror crashing into eachother.

    on one side, the Anai, content with their life and the cycles of their world, having trancended ambition their magics no longer searched for power as much as it strived for cooperation of the living world.

    on the other, the Vret, a culture consumed by ambition and progress, their magicians somehow bridged the divide and saw the world of the anai, a more unspoilt version of their own land as an easy price to take by force, just as they had imposed their will on the spirits of their own lands, taking from the land what they wanted.

    After the merging of the worlds, the Vret realised they were mistaken in thinknig of the Anai as an easy target. Their quiet composure showed to contain an unbending will to defend their own world, and after a long tome, an uneasy stalemate was reached.

    Today, the world is known as the realm of the twiceborn. On both sides exist an opposite number of every living soul, and as this realisation sank in, so did the importance of the individual rise.

    Now the need for champions grows ever more important. On both sides, bands of adventurers and paragons of each side are formed with the knowledge that somewhere out there is their mirror image, and that sooner or later, the fate of who will rule the world of the twiceborn will be decided on a battlefield where you will not face your brother, but yourself."


    It gives us a more detailed backdrop, as well as incorporating the stuff weve so far said about the two cultures. It also gives us a bit of a background as to why these bands of adventurers are forming?

    I like the basic wolrd that weve got now, but i feel we can benefit from hammering out the details and erasing any question marks we have about the backdrop, since it makes it that much easier to use for our characters later in the process? This is my version, What do you guys think?

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    Headshot! You did quite a good job to incorporate all the info and you made a story out of it. This is detailed stuff and it tells why the world is what it is.

    Number 3 is made from one of the silhouettes I had detailed in post #68. Hence the details. I might use number 3, but with more saturated colors, something like 7.

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    @mimer: Nice sketches, but I like the first you did most. On the other sinde looks this lute with blade really cool.

    And great brief.

    @LostFaith: I like 3,4 and 8 most. And go ahed with the bug designs, that could look cool.
    I think, some very light ribbons or something floating in the air will make a good effect.

    Thanks for the critic and input. I overwork the designs. I think, I have to descide first, what kind of fighter I do. Doing the desings i thougt of something like Shaolin monk, but thats quite different from a rouge.
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    Well, that's two votes for number 3. It was also my favorite silhouette in post #68.

    I made three designs for the bad one. I actually wanted to quit after two, because it already was what I had in mind. The third one is with the bug idea in the back of my head, but I'm gonna explore that idea some more. I want to show it in her face for the greater part and of course her wings.

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    Don't get confused by her skintone. I just used a skintone instead of grey, since there is so much grey in the color pallet

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    Oh god....it didn't take long to realize the bug eyes thing won't work with me...I guess I have to try something else or drop it....

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    I guess big human eyes should do the job.
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